Does a failed sn attempt cause brain damage or not?

[searchingforpeace]

Originally I wasn't worried about this but now I am. f my life!

 

[divinemistress36]

Im worried about this as well

 

[imOK]

Everything that interrupts your body's normal procedure of processing oxygen can cause brain damage. That's why I kept discouraging people to experiment with non-fatal strangulation on here - if you pass out, there's a high likelyhood you're giving yourself brain damage. The brain is incredibly oxygen hungry and will take damage very quickly as soon as it's starved. That's what you die of.

Sodium Nitrite is not a good thing to use for a suicidal gesture. You will most likely die.

 

[Andrew10]

Yes, I'd say that if you miraculously survive almost any method this forum offers, you run the risk of brain damage. The brain needs oxygen, and the purpose of most methods is to cut off that oxygen flow to render you unconscious and allow you to pass peacefully. The moment you're unconscious and that flow is cut off, you're actually injuring your brain.

I never tried sodium nitrite because I can't find a way to obtain it in Spain, so I have limited knowledge of that method. But based on how it works and various experiences from several users here, plus two livestreams of this method, you'll most likely die if you manage to do it but I don't speak with complete certainty. I am completely unfamiliar with this method and I am not very interested in it.

Something I can say clearly is that if you are not completely sure about this method, it's not worth it, don't make your life worse with risk of having brain damage or become a vegetable. I survived a failed attempt with the exit bag, I spent days with a huge headache, my brain was injured and my vision was permanently damaged because of a bad decision at the final moment,I'm grateful that I don't end up being vegetable but still, it sucks, whatever events you went through, you were already hurt enough, don't take the chance to be staying in this hell with worse conditions than before with the extra bonus of not being able to do anything. Take care, I send you lots of encouragement a big hug from a distance and I wish you luck whatever your decision may be. Peace

 

[searchingforpeace]

God I don't know what to do.

 

[Subhumano]

Maybe, thats what Im afraid of

 

[searchingforpeace]

I used to think it didn't because everyone who came back from it was fine but now I'm second guessing everything

 

[Defenestrator]

I've been thinking about doing this, I have 50g of SN stashed away, apparently it can be a bit scary to begin with as you get a headache and dizziness and, of course, the going blue but if you prepare properly (taking anti emetics) you'll just drift off and that's it.

There's a reason why they're cracking down on people buying it, it's one of the single best methods to ctb and they know it. It's simple, quick and relatively painless.

 

[searchingforpeace]

I've been thinking about doing this, I have 50g of SN stashed away, apparently it can be a bit scary to begin with as you get a headache and dizziness and, of course, the going blue but if you prepare properly (taking anti emetics) you'll just drift off and that's it.

There's a reason why they're cracking down on people buying it, it's one of the single best methods to ctb and they know it. It's simple, quick and relatively painless.

how sure are you of that?

 

[WiltedSoul]

I survived an attempt with SN and do not have brain damage at all. I didn't have any lasting health consequences.

I turned blue, ended up on a ventilator or something and I was air lifted to another hospital where they administered the antidote (methylene blue).

Brain, liver, kidneys .etc. - totally fine to this day, years later. I am in excellent health (boo). My post history might have more details. Not 100% sure, I was very hysterical and frantic back then and might've just posted dumb shit. I just came back today.

It's definitely painless. You don't just drift off to sleep though, more like you just pass out.

Definitely don't take it if you don't 100% want to die. If you're not found, you'll get your wish.

 

[lastch]

I survived an attempt with SN and do not have brain damage at all. I didn't have any lasting health consequences.

I turned blue, ended up on a ventilator or something and I was air lifted to another hospital where they administered the antidote (methylene blue).

Brain, liver, kidneys .etc. - totally fine to this day, years later. I am in excellent health (boo). My post history might have more details. Not 100% sure, I was very hysterical and frantic back then and might've just posted dumb shit. I just came back today.

It's definitely painless. You don't just drift off to sleep though, more like you just pass out.

Definitely don't take it if you don't 100% want to die. If you're not found, you'll get your wish.

How long before you were found?

 

[deathisapanacea]

I am more scared of SN damaging liver.

 

[bankai]

Im worried about this as well

Quite true. We can't afford to lose any more brain cells, can we?

 

[Dante_]

It's possible to develop hypoxic ischemic encephalopathy especially when your brain is without oxygen for a considerable amount of time, although it varies to a degree as to how severe it is although surviving methamoglobin above 70% is usually rare since not only would blood pressure be critically low but cardiac arrest being highly likely since vitals would be all over the place although in such a case, it's the exception rather than the rule to survive this as a lot of treatment would be required within a timely manner.

 

[cait_sith]

Is there a method that DOESNT potentially cause brain damage? the brain is the main fucking perpetrator and tormentor that will always take damage hits along the way.

 

[Linda]

Theoretically, a failed SN attempt could lead to brain damage. But in reality that seems to be a very rare outcome.

 

[Blueberry Panic]

It's very rare , most people recover

 

[divinemistress36]

Quite true. We can't afford to lose any more brain cells, can we?

Haha I cant loose anymore I barely have any left. Like take my liver, kidney or heart instead

 

[maniac116]

The brain required more oxygen than any other organ in the body.
Anything the can disrupt the flow of oxygen can end up severely damaging organs & causing disability. Since the brain controls the central nervous system, if anything interrupts its oxygen supply then any number if problems can result.
It could be that we don't hear from people disabled from cerebral anoxia because they're too disabled to communicate any longer.
I'm not trying to spread fear, but that's the honest truth of the matter & it should be taken into consideration.
The saying "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is not true at all. Whatever doesn't kill you could make you disabled & miserable as well.
Thats a great question you asked!

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

I survived an attempt with SN and do not have brain damage at all. I didn't have any lasting health consequences.

I turned blue, ended up on a ventilator or something and I was air lifted to another hospital where they administered the antidote (methylene blue).

Brain, liver, kidneys .etc. - totally fine to this day, years later. I am in excellent health (boo). My post history might have more details. Not 100% sure, I was very hysterical and frantic back then and might've just posted dumb shit. I just came back today.

It's definitely painless. You don't just drift off to sleep though, more like you just pass out.

Definitely don't take it if you don't 100% want to die. If you're not found, you'll get your wish.

Was it's a scary feeling to pass out? did you take antiemetics, benzos? I want to believe that it's possible to have some sort of peaceful passing after the hell I and many of us have experienced here. Hoping you can provide a little more insight on your experience. thank you.

 

[WiltedSoul]

How long before you were found?

Twentyish minutes, maybe. No longer live with the person that found me, so I can't ask.

From my understanding if you were to go much longer than that without being discovered, you'd just be dead, not brain damaged. All people who survive seem to have been either found very shortly after the attempt, or they sought help on their own/aborted the attempt themselves and called an ambulance. They weren't unconscious for long before receiving help.

Even in my case, the person who found me was given "the talk" by hospital staff because they were actually very certain I was going to die despite treating me. I was apparently quite fucked up when the paramedics arrived.

Your body cannot transport oxygen anymore. You can breathe unobstructed, but it's useless. I just don't see how you could survive that for a prolonged period of time, especially if you didn't vomit any of the SN up and took a full 25g or more. The body is resilient but there's a limit and SN is very reliable.

Not saying you in particular think anything like that. Just replying to you and the thread in general as well. Trying to be helpful, provide information.

 

[Candleburn]

Also worry about this

 

[WiltedSoul]

Was it's a scary feeling to pass out? did you take antiemetics, benzos? I want to believe that it's possible to have some sort of peaceful passing after the hell I and many of us have experienced here. Hoping you can provide a little more insight on your experience. thank you.

I took antiemetics, but no benzos or any other drugs to help calm me. It wasn't scary at all, the passing out, because I didn't have time to think about it. I just remember I took SN, ten minutes later I felt nauseous (but did not throw up) and got up to go to the bathroom, thinking I was going to puke, then next thing I knew I was in the hospital. I do not even remember losing consciousness, it just happened.

There was some anxiety leading up to that, as I waited for something to happen. But all in all, it was relatively peaceful. It's not a picturesque death, like in euthanasia for example, where you just go to sleep and never wake up, but it is not painful. At worst you'll just feel sick, nervous or both.

 

[Dante_]

From my understanding if you were to go much longer than that without being discovered, you'd just be dead, not brain damaged. All people who survive seem to have been either found very shortly after the attempt, or they sought help on their own/aborted the attempt themselves and called an ambulance. They weren't unconscious for long before receiving help.

I agree with this, even medical literature supports this as a majority of survivors called for help early enough to be treated before the symptoms could really progress toward any critical stage although not always as some unfortunately were DOA upon arrival at the hospital. So by standard estimation, an hr would be theoretically be enough. Generally cases above 70% Methb can no longer compensate

Even in my case, the person who found me was given "the talk" by hospital staff because they were actually very certain I was going to die despite treating me. I was apparently quite fucked up when the paramedics arrived.

Interesting, so can you recall just how much methylene blue they gave you or how low your blood pressure was?

I just don't see how you could survive that for a prolonged period of time, especially if you didn't vomit any of the SN up and took a full 25g or more. The body is resilient but there's a limit and SN is very reliable.

Even in the case of emesis, it's still proven to be effective enough especially since for the purpose of ctb, it's way over the lethal amount for the average adult ingested, by like 3× the amount.

 

[aiyuxhan]

I've been thinking about doing this, I have 50g of SN stashed away, apparently it can be a bit scary to begin with as you get a headache and dizziness and, of course, the going blue but if you prepare properly (taking anti emetics) you'll just drift off and that's it.

There's a reason why they're cracking down on people buying it, it's one of the single best methods to ctb and they know it. It's simple, quick and relatively painless.

They're cracking down on it because of children and teens who ctb with it. The parents are the ones demanding it to be banned.

I took antiemetics, but no benzos or any other drugs to help calm me. It wasn't scary at all, the passing out, because I didn't have time to think about it. I just remember I took SN, ten minutes later I felt nauseous (but did not throw up) and got up to go to the bathroom, thinking I was going to puke, then next thing I knew I was in the hospital. I do not even remember losing consciousness, it just happened.

There was some anxiety leading up to that, as I waited for something to happen. But all in all, it was relatively peaceful. It's not a picturesque death, like in euthanasia for example, where you just go to sleep and never wake up, but it is not painful. At worst you'll just feel sick, nervous or both.

Thanks for sharing your experience. How has your life been since then?

 

[WiltedSoul]

I agree with this, even medical literature supports this as a majority of survivors called for help early enough to be treated before the symptoms could really progress toward any critical stage although not always as some unfortunately were DOA upon arrival at the hospital. So by standard estimation, an hr would be theoretically be enough. Generally cases above 70% Methb can no longer compensate

Interesting, so can you recall just how much methylene blue they gave you or how low your blood pressure was?

Even in the case of emesis, it's still proven to be effective enough especially since for the purpose of ctb, it's way over the lethal amount for the average adult ingested, by like 3× the amount.

Nope. I wasn't conscious for it. I wasn't conscious while I was apparently blue/purple, either - never saw it myself. It's just what I was told. So, no idea how much methylene blue I was given or what my blood pressure was.

I basically woke up on a ventilator, paralyzed by drugs. I remember hallucinating that I was on my phone (lol, sad, so much of my life is just my phone) and being very happy/goofy, due to being super out of it.

Eventually I decided my sole mission in life was to wiggle my toes and I took it very seriously, but still could not move. This did not bother me. I had a light shined in my eye, and heard staff talking, but did not understand what they were saying. I was in my own little world.

When I was no longer out of it, I eventually had the trache or whatever they had in my throat urgently removed, I vomited up charcoal (not sure why they bothered with that) and I had a catheter. My urine was bright blue. I was alert and talking. Soon, I could stand and the catheter was removed. Eventually I went to the bathroom and successfully showered and they moved me to the psych ward.

 

[Dante_]

Nope. I wasn't conscious for it. I wasn't conscious while I was apparently blue/purple, either - never saw it myself. It's just what I was told. So, no idea how much methylene blue I was given or what my blood pressure was.

I basically woke up on a ventilator, paralyzed by drugs. I remember hallucinating that I was on my phone (lol, sad, so much of my life is just my phone) and being very happy/goofy, due to being super out of it.

Eventually I decided my sole mission in life was to wiggle my toes and I took it very seriously, but still could not move. This did not bother me. I had a light shined in my eye, and heard staff talking, but did not understand what they were saying. I was in my own little world.

When I was no longer out of it, I eventually had the trache or whatever they had in my throat urgently removed, I vomited up charcoal (not sure why they bothered with that) and I had a catheter. My urine was bright blue. I was alert and talking. Soon (a day or two), I could stand and the catheter was removed. Eventually I went to the bathroom and successfully showered and they moved me to the psych ward.

That's quite an experience, by the sounds of it, it wasn't too terrible, my sincerest thank you for sharing and I'm curious just as @aiyuxhan asked as how things have been for you since.

 

[Dante_]

But all in all, it was relatively peaceful. It's not a picturesque death, like in euthanasia for example, where you just go to sleep and never wake up, but it is not painful. At worst you'll just feel sick, nervous or both.

Also just wanted to add how this strikes a realistic balance of what you've experienced and what it can should be compared to, for a while now, it's been described as relatively peaceful, nothing that runs beyond the expectations of what it is to any significant extreme of being incredibly serene and peaceful or agonizing and excruciating, granted I am aware not every experience cab be accounted for but the ones that are, tend to be generally easier to understand exhibit this pattern.

 

[divinemistress36]

Nope. I wasn't conscious for it. I wasn't conscious while I was apparently blue/purple, either - never saw it myself. It's just what I was told. So, no idea how much methylene blue I was given or what my blood pressure was.

I basically woke up on a ventilator, paralyzed by drugs. I remember hallucinating that I was on my phone (lol, sad, so much of my life is just my phone) and being very happy/goofy, due to being super out of it.

Eventually I decided my sole mission in life was to wiggle my toes and I took it very seriously, but still could not move. This did not bother me. I had a light shined in my eye, and heard staff talking, but did not understand what they were saying. I was in my own little world.

When I was no longer out of it, I eventually had the trache or whatever they had in my throat urgently removed, I vomited up charcoal (not sure why they bothered with that) and I had a catheter. My urine was bright blue. I was alert and talking. Soon, I could stand and the catheter was removed. Eventually I went to the bathroom and successfully showered and they moved me to the psych ward.

Would you SN again if you decided to ctb?

 

[WiltedSoul]

That's quite an experience, by the sounds of it, it wasn't too terrible, my sincerest thank you for sharing and I'm curious just as @aiyuxhan asked as how things have been for you since.

Honestly, I don't.. know - still very miserable, but I might be on the road to recovery? No health issues from SN like I said.

When I was released from the hospital and went home, I ended up getting a pug puppy (neighbor felt bad for me and had a litter, gave me one) and a year after that, I ended up taking in a pit bull I found while hiking as well. Couldn't find her owner and they're banned where I live, so surrendering her to a shelter would've led to her being put down even though she was not aggressive.

At first even after getting the puppy I kept trying to CTB. I couldn't do SN anymore, as I developed an aversion, and so I tried in multiple dumb ways before giving up. I also had the cops show up at my house, trying to interview me about Kenneth Law, which prevented me from trying to buy more SN.

I spent a lot of time in nature, hanging out with the dogs, and I think it healed me, somewhat. I had an idea suddenly of what I wanted in life.









Fast forward to now, I moved to an actual city seeking employment to make that happen. Unfortunately couldn't bring my dogs (I tried SO HARD to) and I'm still mourning them. I live in a very bad neighborhood, surrounded by crime, and I've only had one interview in 17 months. I've gone no contact with my mother (which is good).

Oh, and I lost all my internet friends, who were the only other beings that brought meaning to my life. So I may still CTB. Not sure. I start volunteering somewhere on May 27th, so maybe I can get a job when my resume isn't crap. I don't need a lot of money at all.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread, OP. I'll stop now, hah.

Would you SN again if you decided to ctb?

If I could get it and could keep it down, absolutely. I've been thinking about it. It's partly why I've come back here.