Doctors are frauds

[DeathWish77]

I can't tell you how many times I innocently and earnestly went to a doctor for help with an issue I couldn't figure out, only for them to make my situation worse than before I came to see them. No joke, if a doctor had helped me with my food allergies when I was 17, I probably wouldn't be on this website. Instead I was accused of "anxiety" and simply brushed off and simultaneously blamed because they couldn't figure out my problem. I had no idea what was going on with me, and so I trusted a """professional""" to HELP me, on numerous occasions. And they never did. They just treated me like shit and wanted me in-and-out or to push poisons aka pharmaceuticals. Even the psychiatrist my parents brought me to who ended up having me on a cocktail that gave me serotonin syndrome — he "dismissed" me from his practice after I was hospitalized with that. Sent me a letter in the mail saying I wasn't allowed back and that was it. Just left me hanging out to dry. They CREATE the problem, blame you for the problem existing, and then leave you worse off than where you started. The next psychiatrist I was brought to after that, what did he say about my struggles with intradose withdrawal from benzos, meds him and my mom talked together to put me on multiple times daily? What did he say after I made known the effects of everything these drugs seemed to be causing? He told me, and I shit you not, to "be a man". I was 19 at the time that appointment happened. I'm 25 now. I wish I had the opportunity to go back to that appointment so I could slaughter that idiot the moment he said that. I absolutely would nowadays after having been through all this bullshit.

Tip from someone who definitely knows from experience in this area: Do NOT trust doctors. Very few are there to actually help you. They are who they are for the money and the power-trip they get in modern society. Just with psychiatry, where victim-blaming is rampant, I see it all to often with other forms of medicine too. The doctors essentially put off an air of them being offended you even came in to see them. It is absolutely incredible.

If I had advice I would give to my younger self, even though it is too late for me now, I would give them this: Do NOT take any type of psychiatric medication. Do NOT go to a doctor for anything other than a broken bone or heart-attack-level emergency. DO eat only meat, fruits, and vegetables. And try to buy only organic, which is a stretch if you're not well-off. (See the dynamic here. They want you sick your whole life so you keep coming back to them with your money.) And DO intensively exercise at least an hour a day.

I bought into the whole psychiatry nonsense. Therapy nonsense. That I needed poisons to fix something inherently "imbalanced" in me. I trusted anybody with the title of "Dr." All it did was rip me off and make my life worse. None of it helps either that my mom is a psycho RN who loves everything about the medical industry, and believes everybody, literally, including animals, should take a cocktail of prescriptions every day.

Fuck doctors. Fuck how modern medicine is so commercialized where your well-being has been turned into a product and essentially makes you a powerless guinea pig. Do not trust them. If you've found a good one, good for you. But with me, even the one who finally figured out all my food allergies, he way overcharged and tried to push me supplements and was having me do voodoo-esque techniques on a daily basis.

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm sorry you had to go through that, psychiatry has ruined many lives. I have also had physical symptoms dismissed as anxiety. We are also told to trust doctors and that they know best. They just want to get rid of you as quickly as possible, so they just prescribe medication and it is all about money really.

 

[Meditation guide]

I saw the title and simply had to say I totally agree with it.

 

[Weary Soul]

I am so sorry you went through this.

Doctors, and in particular my GP, are one of the key factors in ruining my life and why I am here.

 

[int5]

I agree with you. 80% of their literature is about medication. It is sad that they are so educated but lack the basic empathy.

 

[OpheliasFlowers]

I couldn't agree with and relate more to your post. Doctors have been either useless in diagnosing my multiple issues, 99% of them have treated me like arrogant, superior assholes and I've also been given the "go see a psychiatrist" line when they've been unable to determine the causes for my physical issues (they blame 'anxiety' or tell me it's 'psychosomatic' and that I'm a hypochondriac. Well, it's pretty amazing my 'anxiety' is able to give me low blood counts that have caused bleeding issues, has made me hypothyroid, caused me to develop endometriosis, plus a host of other symptoms that I'm sorry, are NOT purely psychosomatic. But these arrogant assholes have such fragile egos they can't stand the idea of not being able to diagnose or find the problem so it's them saving face by declaring everything due to mental issues. I hate doctors. Oh - and they've also f-ed me over re: meds, like you...benzos. And it took me a looooooooong time to agree to even take those benzos btw. Yet still the doctors will pull that out like I"m some kind of drug addict when THEY pushed and coaxed for literally years to try them until I was so desperate I finally did.

TLDR: I agree with you, OP, and I hate doctors and don't trust any of those POS as far as I could throw one. They're just greedy, self-serving pompous jackasses who don't really care about helping patients get well, just being able to be on their power trip and line their pockets. And don't EVER question them about anything lest you 'insult' them and cause them to really get mean and nasty (this has happened to me. and I ask questions respectfully -- even tho I actually don't respect these charlatans at all -- and merely want my concerns addressed and hopefully, get reassurance and clarity. but instead I usually get a response of them getting offended, snarky, and dismissive.) I've left appointments in tears many times.

One of the reasons I want to ctb is so I NEVER EVER EVER have to deal with doctors or medical 'professionals' ever again.

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Doctors and their arsenal of 'modern medicine' is the entire reason I'm on this forum and not out living the life I SHOULD be living. Instead I'm bedridden and in intractable, agonizing full-body pain thanks to an FDA-approved antibiotic (Cipro) taken exactly as prescribed by a doctor whom I trusted to 'do no harm.' The cruelest part about what happened to me is that it didn't kill me, instead leaving me to have to do it myself. If I had it all to do over again I'd stay the fuck away from doctors and their stash of synthetic poisons. I was young and naive at the time though and thought (like so many) that doctors actually know what they're doing and that the FDA wouldn't allow something on the market that could permanently harm me like this. What a fatal mistake in logic.

 

[StarLight]

It really feels like we are living in the stone ages of medicine. We seem to know so little about our own brains and bodies and how they function, and yet have all these "professionals" out there pushing pills that they seem to not fully understand, that a lot of the time don't even help and/or have horrendous potentially life destroying side effects. And it does seem like most doctors have a real problem Just admitting that they don't have the answer and are unable to help. I know I've been fobbed off and told I just have anxiety when I've had legitimate physical health issues.

On a non personal note, sometimes I browse this subreddit where people ask medical questions and sometimes someone who's supposedly verified as being a real dr or nurse will answer. Well a few weeks ago I saw this person describe some really awful sounding symptoms like passing out episodes of extreme confusion, and severe limb weakness to the point they couldn't stand or lift a glass of water, and some other things I can't remember. And then a supposed "doctor" responded to them saying it just sounded like natural aging (the person had said they were in their early 20s), and that anxiety probably was also playing a role and that they should see a psychiatrist. Sounded just like my own run ins with doctors.

Im sure there are some good ones out there, but it truly does seem like the majority are just awful.

 

[primavera1956]

Non posso dirti quante volte sono andato innocentemente e seriamente da un dottore per chiedere aiuto con un problema che non riuscivo a capire, solo per peggiorare la mia situazione rispetto a prima che andassi a trovarli. Non è uno scherzo, se un medico mi avesse aiutato con le mie allergie alimentari quando avevo 17 anni, probabilmente non sarei su questo sito. Invece sono stato accusato di "ansia" e semplicemente respinto e contemporaneamente incolpato perché non riuscivano a capire il mio problema. Non avevo idea di cosa mi stesse succedendo, e così mi sono affidato a un """professionista""" per aiutarmi, in numerose occasioni. E non l'hanno mai fatto. Mi hanno semplicemente trattato come una merda e volevano che entrassi e uscissi o spingessi veleni alias prodotti farmaceutici. Persino lo psichiatra da cui mi hanno portato i miei genitori, che ha finito per prendermi un cocktail che mi ha dato la sindrome serotoninergica - mi ha "licenziato" dal suo studio dopo che sono stato ricoverato in ospedale. Mi ha mandato una lettera per posta dicendo che non mi era stato permesso di tornare e basta. Mi ha appena lasciato ad asciugare. CREANO il problema, ti incolpano per il problema esistente e poi ti lasciano peggio di dove hai iniziato. Il successivo psichiatra da cui sono stato portato dopo, cosa ha detto delle mie lotte con l'astinenza intradose da benzos, lui e mia madre hanno parlato insieme per farmi assumere più volte al giorno? Cosa ha detto dopo che ho reso noti gli effetti di tutto ciò che questi farmaci sembravano causare? Mi ha detto, e non ti cago, di "essere un uomo". Avevo 19 anni quando è successo quell'appuntamento. Ho 25 anni adesso. Vorrei avere l'opportunità di tornare a quell'appuntamento in modo da poter massacrare quell'idiota nel momento in cui l'ha detto. Lo farei assolutamente al giorno d'oggi dopo aver passato tutte queste stronzate.

Consiglio di qualcuno che sa sicuramente per esperienza in questo settore: NON fidarti dei medici. Pochissimi sono lì per aiutarti davvero. Sono quello che sono per i soldi e il viaggio di potere che ottengono nella società moderna. Solo con la psichiatria, dove il biasimo della vittima è dilagante, lo vedo spesso anche con altre forme di medicina. I dottori essenzialmente hanno rimandato l'aria di essere offesi, sei persino venuto a vederli. È assolutamente incredibile.

Se avessi un consiglio che darei a me stesso più giovane, anche se ora è troppo tardi per me, gli darei questo: NON prendere alcun tipo di farmaco psichiatrico. NON andare da un medico per qualcosa di diverso da un osso rotto o un'emergenza a livello di infarto. Mangia solo carne, frutta e verdura. E prova a comprare solo prodotti biologici, il che è una forzatura se non sei benestante. (Vedi la dinamica qui. Vogliono che tu stia male per tutta la vita, quindi continui a tornare da loro con i tuoi soldi.) E FAI esercizio intensivo almeno un'ora al giorno.

Ho creduto a tutte le sciocchezze della psichiatria. Una sciocchezza terapeutica. Che avevo bisogno di veleni per aggiustare qualcosa di intrinsecamente "squilibrato" in me. Mi sono fidato di chiunque avesse il titolo di "Dr." Tutto ciò che ha fatto è stato derubarmi e peggiorare la mia vita. Non aiuta nemmeno il fatto che mia madre sia una psicologa infermiere che ama tutto ciò che riguarda l'industria medica e crede che tutti, letteralmente, compresi gli animali, dovrebbero prendere un cocktail di prescrizioni ogni giorno.

Fanculo i dottori. Fanculo come la medicina moderna è così commercializzata in cui il tuo benessere è stato trasformato in un prodotto e ti rende essenzialmente una cavia impotente. Non fidarti di loro. Se ne hai trovata una buona, buon per te. Ma con me, anche quello che alla fine ha capito tutte le mie allergie alimentari, mi ha sovraccaricato e ha cercato di darmi integratori e mi faceva fare tecniche voodoo su base giornaliera.

Sono completamente d'accordo con te. la maggior parte si fa pagare in nero, senza fattura, evade le tasse e quando non capiscono nulla del tuo male si offendono e non ti ricevono più. Esperienza personale.
Gli specialisti sono tutti milionari.

 

[filthyrottendirty]

I'm surprised no doctor or psychiatrist (and I've seen many) over the years was able to recognize or diagnose my autism. It was always something else depression, anxiety, schizotypal etc

 

[Flippy]

I haven't posted on here in a long time but I've been checking in regularly and I've noticed that there have been quite a few similar threads on here recently. My experience has been very similar sadly, to some of the accounts posted here. The thought does occur to me though, we are stronger together, wouldn't it send a chill up the spines of these "doctors" if we as some sort of anonymous database we could list them on so other potential victims who think they may be falling victim to abuse can check if others shared a similar experience? Sort of like those eBay block lists you can download. I'm sure that there would have to be some thought put into such a thing to avoid legal repercussions but I'm sure it could be done! Just food for thought.

 

[Burned out]

I haven't posted on here in a long time but I've been checking in regularly and I've noticed that there have been quite a few similar threads on here recently. My experience has been very similar sadly, to some of the accounts posted here. The thought does occur to me though, we are stronger together, wouldn't it send a chill up the spines of these "doctors" if we as some sort of anonymous database we could list them on so other potential victims who think they may be falling victim to abuse can check if others shared a similar experience? Sort of like those eBay block lists you can download. I'm sure that there would have to be some thought put into such a thing to avoid legal repercussions but I'm sure it could be done! Just food for thought.

You would need to be able to fact check all of it, and at that point, you may as well just sue or make it known to all by existing means. If it could be just anyone, you would almost certainly expect trolls and psychos and evil doctors to go on there pretending to be patients and make up stories, which are then proven to be made up, effectively invalidating the whole website. You could have a real identity check to be able to add a complaint about a doctor, but then that puts everyone in danger if the wrong people get access.

This is something, though: https://www.antidepressantrisks.org/stolenlives

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

Yep. Had false lies reported on my chart in mental hospital. I wasn't/am not mental. I was/am unemployed (have only ever had hellish jobs) with no interest in anything so days are REALLY long. False diagnosis of bipolar even though I only said 3 sentences to them, all based in reality about the needs I have for shelter...income....etc.

Have been told to sell art and live in a van by a college psychiatrist. My mom and stepmom are both nurses. My mom is in love with the concept of therapy...My stepmom a psychiatric nurse refuses to respond after I stated I am not and have never been bipolar. My mom so confident in her diagnosis of my 'disorder'.

My anxiety and feeling bad has everything to do with my horrible situation. And unlike my mom's notion that it's taking the easy way out to kill one's self, that it's a shame to not try to make life better I know the reality which is fucking so awful for me.

Drs. suck shit. So do therapists and psychologists. And so do fucking pharmacists; they are the laziest pieces of shit ever. A tech could do their job; a robot too.

I'm very sick of family, my horrible partner and his parent telling me I need professional help. They have always been gainfully employed (except my partner who is a fucking felon). My partner tells me to 'manage my healthcare'; it's a stipulation.

I hear your anger. I have a new therapy appointment this week with a smiling old gray fuck. Nothing but dread. It's keeping me housed....I have shelter...but it's fucking hell.

Really pissed I wasn't born fucking smarter. I would gladly have become one of those fuckers. They can all eat shit. The doctor telling you to be a "man" should really get fucked.

 

[Flippy]

Yeah I forgot to comment on the "be a man" instruction!

Yeah, this whole time he just needed to "man up"! You see all these campaigns on TV etc. on how this sort of nonsense needs to stop and that telling men that they need to deny their vulnerability and "man up" results in emotional problems and often suicide. It wouldn't surprise me if that doctor appeared in those sorts of campaigns!

I had these sage words from a psychiatrist "You need to learn to take responsibility for your mental health..." .

Like "Oh hey no shit?? You think so? I think you just cured me you son of a bitch!" At least I wish I had said that! The very fact that I was told when I was diagnosed that the best thing I could do if I had a serious relapse was to seek help from them! I was given the distinct impression that was exactly how I should "take responsibility" for my " mental health ".

Why did he think I was enduring the pleasure of his company? Did he think I liked the smell of his farts too?!

 

[DeathWish77]

Yeah I forgot to comment on the "be a man" instruction!

Yeah, this whole time he just needed to "man up"! You see all these campaigns on TV etc. on how this sort of nonsense needs to stop and that telling men that they need to deny their vulnerability and "man up" results in emotional problems and often suicide. It wouldn't surprise me if that doctor appeared in those sorts of campaigns!

I had these sage words from a psychiatrist "You need to learn to take responsibility for your mental health..." .

Like "Oh hey no shit?? You think so? I think you just cured me you son of a bitch!" At least I wish I had said that! The very fact that I was told when I was diagnosed that the best thing I could do if I had a serious relapse was to seek help from them! I was given the distinct impression that was exactly how I should "take responsibility" for my " mental health ".

Why did he think I was enduring the pleasure of his company? Did he think I liked the smell of his farts too?!

What makes it awful in my case is that I was struggling with drugs that two people made the final decision to put me on. They create the mess and then blame me being unable to properly deal with it. Just awful. I can't deal with those types of people nowadays. Whether it's psychiatrists, other doctors, or even my parents. I won't take it. I won't hesitate to really hurt a person doing that kind of thing to me nowadays.

 

[Flippy]

Hey DeathWish77, I just read your last post and I have to admit, I think I understand how you feel! I was put into meds that caused me all kinds of misery, from white hot anxiety to horrible physical problems (I've posted about in another thread) and some of the side effects may have caused me some long lasting harm that might ultimately have implications for my life span. "But Flippy's on SS" my doc would say "so that's good right?"

I have said that I will consider any attempt by anyone in the future who tries to push SSRIs, procycladine or similar meds on me as attempting to assault me. I will defend myself if I have to.

The question is "would I in practice?" . I guess, probably the answer is no. But I understand genuinely the harm psych meds can cause, I know that my body has been harmed and I suspect my brain has been rewired in such a way that I may never get to enjoy the soaring highs that I used to, I feel cognitively dull :-( it feels like an assault. So I can understand why you feel that way. I was given meds that made me worse and then I was blamed for not getting better! It seems they have done so to you too and I have to be honest, I feel that your anger and feelings of self preservation are justified. However, please don't act on any impulse to harm those people, they will use it to tighten their control.

The bottom line is though, I fully understand that feeling of righteousness. If someone harms you it's natural to feel that way!

They make us put these things in our bodies then blame us when they have often predictable results and act like they've never heard of such strange drug reactions. And these people criticised me for smoking?!

If you don't mind me asking, what meds did they put you on?

I hope that you can be kind to yourself and find a place where you feel comfortable and recover and keep in mind you aren't to blame for trusting people who claimed to want to help you. It's not your fault they posses neither the skill not the humility to deliver their promises!

 

[SuicidalAgain]

I have these same experiences with doctors. I have never seen a good one. Not a good therapist either. I am tired of going online for help and have people telling me to go see a doctor... I'd love to go to these amazingly helpful doctors these people are seeing, because so far I've only met doctors who don't listen and try to shut me up with pills.
Also gotta love the people who we open up to for help and they tell us to go see a therapist about the problems we brought up with them...

I've had suicidal thoughts for most of my life and it was precisely when I was being medicated that I acted on them. Maybe meds do help some people, but this forum seems to be filled with people who didn't do well at all with meds

 

[Flippy]

I'm also puzzled how people end up with such wonderful doctors. I'm not sure what part of the world you are in but here in the UK it can be quite the lottery. I did have a good doctor for a short while once. But in the over 4 decades I've been on this planet, she was the only one I had.

I have also wondered if I had not been given "antidepressants" if I would have ended up as unwell. I guess if you have the kind of problem that conventional psych meds fix in a jiffy, you are probably not going to have the kind of problem that brings you to SS.

I think in 100 years time, if the human race makes it that far (and I have some serious doubts) they will look back at our psych meds the same way we look at the Victorians who consumed Radium salts and wondered why parts of their bodies fell off :-/

You would need to be able to fact check all of it, and at that point, you may as well just sue or make it known to all by existing means. If it could be just anyone, you would almost certainly expect trolls and psychos and evil doctors to go on there pretending to be patients and make up stories, which are then proven to be made up, effectively invalidating the whole website. You could have a real identity check to be able to add a complaint about a doctor, but then that puts everyone in danger if the wrong people get access.

This is something, though: https://www.antidepressantrisks.org/stolenlives

Yeah you make several good points! Just would be nice if the actions of these doctors weren't hidden behind a (necessary) curtain of confidentiality. The problem is that habitual abusers are hidden from view as it's rare patients get to compare notes, and I'm sure in a lot of cases vulnerable patients probably don't always know that a doctor is behaving in a way that's inappropriate! My psychiatrist (besides other serious things) literally shouted at me several times in front of another staff member who was recording notes, it dawned on me then that I had been a little too compliant with this guy and started to defend myself. Strangely enough his aggressive outbursts were not recorded in the notes. If I knew that there were other patients who had been abused by this guy we could perhaps join forces and put him out of business. Sadly I will likely never know.

The website you linked is both illuminating and tragic :-/ but if there was something like that out there exposing dangerous doctors then that would be a start!

 

[Burned out]

I requested a do "not ever contact me again" notice when my last psychiatrist basically antagonized me by recommending I do things that are already established to, among other things, cause me to attempt suicide. They we're like, "you'll end up in the hospital if you don't take these meds". I thought, I'll be in the hospital or dead if I do.

I was told to never use that class of med she was trying to put me on by another psychiatrist, years back. I have been coerced and almost succeeded in killing myself several times because more recent psychiatrists keep trying to get me on them, despite the fact I do not have the symptoms they are even supposedly for. They don't even care to make sure they have an accurate idea of what you are actually experiencing before they resort to that poison. And if you have a psychotic diagnosis, they and anyone else you come across treat you like a monkey to be herded around (you can see in their body language they automatically believe you are a dumbass no matter how well you present yourself, but when on the meds, which make it hard to even string together a sentence, you also see in them a slight glee as they now feel it's confirmed that you're a low IQ chunk of meat, and their desire to treat people in this position, like such, is now...just.).

I take particular issue with their "mental health model" of taking symptoms and forcing them into very specific diagnoses, effectively trying to say you are a whole category, which applies all their baggage to you, rather than solely just a list of traits. How do they not understand that creates errors through miscommunication and unhelpful preconceived ideas or biases? It is almost certain to result in something being attributed to you that shouldn't be. It nurtures the right conditions for an unnatural arrogance to form-the mentality that the mind is catalogued and fully charted, and you simply can't have what I will call a quality of life problem, that isn't already documented in their "almighty DSM". They, and insurance, and anyone in between, seems to refuse to accept you can have a problem that is both reasonable to ask for help with, but also doesn't fit into any of their pre-made cookie cutter shapes. It is inefficient, or even prevents the real problem from getting assessed, often because it is getting called something that describes something entirely different. This is all because they just want it to fit with some term they already use, because that means there is already an existing treatment for it, and so easier, but that should not be so important that it causes an apple to get treated for being an orange, which means new problems, not getting treated for being an apple, and then future distrust and resentment.

I have made an observation that most of these goons are simply operating on a default set of procedures. Literally going through motions as if on a script. There would be no meaningful change if they made "psychiatry drive-throughs" where you literally order off a menu. You're supposed to get an amount of protection from that by sitting down with a person, but most of the time, the psychiatrist does not take advantage of the time, or access to your personal history, and steers the appointment into something a menu could offer.

They do not respect nuance. They do not stop themselves from getting in this line of work even if they have zero talent or instinct for it. They are not forthright about many things, including how little is known, or what could go wrong, or even what the most current research shows. Most of all, they are not honest. If you can say most people are prolife because nature does not select antinatalists, you can say most mental health workers are pro-[insert career field] simply because that is what they chose, and not because of any objective facts about it.

You would think I spoke an alien language and they were failing to translate any of it, but just went ahead anyways and started doing things as if they did not know we were never communicating. A world class dunning kruger horror show.

It is especially obnoxious when you realize your problems are a cluster of things needing all different specialists, non of which involve mental health, but the mental health people, some of whom even went to med school, just keep dragging you along a dead end road indefinetly, never getting you out of there, or acting in your best interest like they're supposed to, and snowballing problems you would never have had had you not seen them in the first place. I've endured almost 2 decades of this. assholes and parasites-I don't want to live to see if there's an asshole parasite.

The ones prescribing these pills, including for long term use, need to take them like their patients do, or produce physical evidence of disease and recovery like how we can see cancer, or humbly admit they are out of their depth and stop making things worse.

 

[Flippy]

Hey Burned Out. I just read your post and I see most of the same genetics in your observations as the ones I have made. I think you describe a lot of the frustration I have experienced in a better way than I have managed to date. It's very useful to see how you articulate these issues as it gives me some better ideas on how to describe the problems I've faced dealing with "professionals".

I feel like sometimes I experience this desperation to communicate a genuine concern about something only to have people dismiss what I say. It's like that meme I've seen where is says "Has nobody else noticed this? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!?"

When they gaslight you this way, it makes you question your sanity, and they are very helpful to say "well you are mentally ill so your perception is compromised..." So if you say "hey, I think [insert medication] is making me worse..." They blame it on a condition that would explain the symptoms in the absence of said medication. Layers and layers of complexity are added to increase explanatory power and before you know it you have stacks of mental health issues instead of the one you sought help for.

The other issue as you have pointed out, is the Orwellian double think; "Intelligence = Manipulative, Insight = Dishonesty and Awareness = Attention seeking". Any critical awareness or criticism of the situation means that apparently you are perfectly well and you are probably "drug seeking" or just want to feed off of their wonderful attention. If you have enough faculties it's like they want to medicate you in such a way that you loose them, this I believe is to make you more compliant. Diagnosis is weaponised so that they can dismiss people as refusing to cooperate and discharge them. If you went into hospital to (I dunno) have an in grown toenail removed and then had the surgeon enthusiastically announce that they are going to amputate your whole leg as it's not a toenail that's the problem, it's your entire leg, you would no doubt protest. It's not really any different to what "professionals" seem to do and when you refuse to let them "amputate", they throw their tantrum (quite literally in my experience) and make veiled threats about declaring you to have made up the "ingrown toenail" in the first place.

The bottom line here is that there seems to be no necessity for evidence in psychiatry. It's the only "science" that doesn't have to follow the scientific method.

 

[Burned out]

You expect certain standards due to the way the world works (appears to work?), however, psychiatry is insidious; undeservedly they operate with a level of impunity afforded to no one else, and they are safe to do what they do, in plain sight, while the world doesn't bat an eye or question it, no matter how obvious a reset is needed here. It is one of the larger red flags our "modern society" happily allows medieval standards of treatment for others, as they neither recognize it as such, and will, disgustingly enough, defend it.

It is worse than dunning kruger. These people are supposed to understand human behavior, and a common human behavior is to error by assuming that action, or immediate action, is better than not doing anything at all, but this often is the worse thing one could do, yet it is ALL THEY DO.

I did myself a great disservice as I was growing up by believing there are places in the world that are meaningfully set apart from the dark ages. There are not.

 

[Flippy]

I agree that what passes for mental health care and psychiatry in general does seem medieval once you've been through "the machine" . If you are lucky enough not to have dealt with psychiatrists, I suppose you go through life thinking that it's all okey dokey. I find it strange how mental health is portrayed in the media, like some celebrity will harp on about how it's a prefect normal thing, like catching the flu and people who get unwell should be given support and care. I guess most average people see this and conclude that people who have a mental illness are obviously being cared for appropriately and respectfully.

But, we have all seen movies where they attempt to nullify a character by having their mental health brought into question and portray their treatment at the hands of some evil psychiatrist. We see this and think "yep that's pretty much how it goes" where others think it only exists in fantasy.

I guess I was not prepared to experience a psychiatrist brazenly lie, shout at me, ridicule me, and gaslight me. Nobody cares or bats an eyelid despite this being against what is printed in their policy. It seems it's quite simple when you are on their side of the room, "you admit you have a mental illness, therefore you are cognitively sub par and we have to treat you like a sub human and do these things for your own good..."

I defy anyone to find any mentally well person and subject them to the same kind of treatment for a long period of time and not have them become angry, or "uncooperative". It's a perfectly normal response to such behaviour no matter how well adjusted you are.

You are simply not permitted agency by these "professionals" no matter how much damage their treatment is causing you. It's like they have this mantra "This harm must be done to help these people" .

 

[Largeletters]

I agree with you. Anyone who makes money off of your pain or suffering is a fraud, but it's the norm in society today. Fuck all this stupid bullshit, I've been treated like a fucking worm by both pyschiatric and medical doctors, I'm sorry you've gone through it too.

 

[Burned out]

I have been to hospitals...have seen people drugged to the point of laying down 23 hours a day, or with such severe akathesia, they dance and make terribly loud and repetitive movements "tap dancing" in and out of rooms, even. It is distressing being near this whether I am well or not, because it has all the appearance of torture, so for me, it is torture. And the look on other patients' faces were so unhappy, I cannot forget them.

I overhear conversations, and it is almost always like watching a boa constrictor wrapping around it's prey, the more the patient appeals to the psychiatrist's sense of reason and empathy. One time, a psychiatrist said "I went through 9 years of school to be where I am". I observed that those 9 years did not make this dr polite.

 

[Flippy]

That sounds awful :-( I've been fortunate enough to have avoided hospitalization. Sometimes I think that says more about people's indifference than it does about my skills at convincing people I'm ok. It sound positively nightmarish. What you described is what very few people can understand when it comes to psych meds. I've had horrible spasms that cause me to lunge like I'm making a right hook. I've had issues being able to just sit and try to relax no matter how much I want to or need to. I've also more recently developed some tics I never had before that appear if I forget to take my meds for a couple of hours.

And of course! The "Appeal to authority" falacy! "I've been to a big important place to learn stuff so I'm always right". I respect people who have learned skills, I really do. I know it can be frustrating when people without the knowledge you have, may not understand elementary things. I have learned about and have some expertise on certain things too, but if someone offers information that may challenge what I have learned, I will take it on board if the information is true. Facts aren't facts because of who speaks them. Facts are facts regardless of who speaks them. The genetic fallacy and appeal to authority fallacy seem to feature a lot in the assertions psychiatrists make.

 

[killedbypsychiatry]

severe iatrogenic injury along with Medical PTSD and psychiatric abuse, is the reason I'm here, I couldn't agree more FUCK DOCTORS, and specifically FUCK PSYCHIATRIST FUCK FUCK FUCK THOSE NARCISSISTIC STUPID SOCIOPATHS WHO RUIN SOO MANY LIVES AND GIVE NO FUCKS!!!!!! not even medicine, only pseudoscience, money, control and abuse, it's pure bullshit. They are so stupid and narcissistic and only care about their authority and making money, zero empathy, zero science, "psychiatry" is the dumbest thing I've heard on science. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK THEM ALL. I hate them so so much, they've done so much harm and it makes me so so so so angry. Sorry for this post but I have too much rage inside me

 

[Flippy]

Far better for you to express justifiable rage here than somewhere that it could lead to those shitheads causing you more problems! This is not my thread of course, but I personally think you should fill up your boots! Expressing your emotions is perfectly normal so don't apologise!

 

[Burned out]

Essential emotional release in many places creates problems, instead of solving them (especially unfair to large persons because the problem is magnified if you look like you can do some damage).

 

[Flippy]

Yeah, don't be male and upset while speaking to "professionals" , they will warn you that they take the safety of staff very seriously! Even if all you did was express confused bewilderment in a slightly louder voice than usual. On the other hand, do the same while female and you will probably be sectioned for your own "safety". I'm basing this on my experience and that of a female friend.

once I had an appointment in a room where someone had clearly recently been thrown around like a ragdoll! The walls all had large vaguely human shapes fractures and dents. I can only speculate as to what happened but I didn't see any staff that looked like they had encountered a wall at high speed. Hhhhhhmmmm. The mind boggles!

 

[DeathWish77]

Far better for you to express justifiable rage here than somewhere that it could lead to those shitheads causing you more problems! This is not my thread of course, but I personally think you should fill up your boots! Expressing your emotions is perfectly normal so don't apologise!

Borderline Personality Disorder is the modern go-to diagnosis for people who continually push back against the mental health system. I have been diagnosed with it. So have a lot of others I know who dared not to worship the ground mental health "professionals" stood on. The newest place I was at changed it to """Personality Disorder, Trait Specified""". It's pathetic. The labels always change. Just keep on changing. I'm going to be an 80 year old man in a retirement community some day and they're still going to want to whip up new labels.

What's worse is that my own family takes these diagnosis's very seriously and use them against me. They've done it since I was 5 years old. And if an old label loses its luster or usefulness, they'd shop for a new one. The very first psych "professionals" I was brought to when I was a kid said there was nothing wrong with me. Literally. Word for word. Anyways, this dynamic really cuts deep. My family has really hurt me. I don't get what's wrong with them. They clearly didn't want a kid. They should've just put me up for adoption. My mom's first son had to be put up for adoption because she was deemed not fit to take care of him. Just my fucking luck being born to two demons. Honestly, the torture has been much worse from my parents. They're the source of all of it. Unfortunately the psychiatrists are usually willing to be their lackeys.