Doc threatens to call 911

[ron_g]

If you're brave, you can ask your doctor how often they have forcibly hospitalized a patient although they would have ctb in the patient's place.

 

[Rising Phoenix]

Are you in the USA? I am. From what I have read over the past few months, they have no liability at all if they do nothing and the person kills themself an hour later for example. Its actually law that they have no liability. It has a different name in different US states. I was in custody for 17 days. I have a court case going now. I have researched this. Maybe I just haven't found it, but I can find no law in the US that requires anybody to call the police if I say I am suicidal. They can, but they don't have to. I understand it might be different in other countries.

Yes I'm from the USA. You might be right, but I'm pretty sure I understand it correctly.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish?

We don't belong to ourselves. We're the property of our respective governments--money generators and obligatory worshippers of the god Economy.

 

[*KNAZ*]

By law they are required to call 911 if they deem you are an imminate threat to yourself or others. Especially if you say you have a plan and method. I'm shocked she didn't do it to be honest.

I don't agree with it but that is the law.

From now on it's lying and saying that everything is better. I guess I could have been a lot more discrete.

 

[Wreck-it-Riley]

Very similar experience on friday. Over an hour past our session and she was still trying to get her not to call the hospital. I know from multiple visits they dont think i deserve a room. They sent me home with the leftover pills from my last OD attempt 4 hours after i got there. i walked home, alone. Calling 911 is more "I will make your life hell if you die and i get sued" than "I care about your well being".

 

[xBrialesana]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

I'm SO sorry you experienced this but to be honest you're lucky they didn't do something then and there to try to restrain you.
They can be quite intense with these situations.

It sucks so bad that you can't be honest and trusting with your doctors, but it is what it is. That's why I'm so blessed to have the users here.

 

[Flippy]

This is why when I get asked if I have thoughts of suicide, I will say yes. Then they ask about method, I say yes CO, Nitrogen, Jumping but I'm leaning towards Nitrogen. Then they ask if I have any plans, this is where I scale back my response. I tell them yes but not for a X amount of time. Then they ask what's stopping me. I tell them, people I care about and my cat. That's all true, but I never tell them I'm considering it in the very immediate future. This seems to have prevented me from landing on the wrong side of a section. I do it because I don't want to be hospitalised and unable to ctb if I really want to.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

Was at my psych office last week and told her how I had been a step away from CTB. She asked if I had a plan and I said yes and method too. Asked what was stopping me and I said deciding on a time and place. She said "do you need to be admitted to a hospital" and I said no, that going to a hospital doesn't do any good and creates more problems. Then she said "do I need to call 911" as if she was actually going to do it. Long story short, I reassured her I was safe. But it pissed me off that she was about to threaten to call 911. What the hell is calling 911 supposed to accomplish? When police are called about a mentally ill suicidal person, the person usually ends up shot dead. The police don't know how to handle that. Were they going to haul me off in a squad car to a local hospital to be forcefully admitted? And then what? That makes everything else in my life worse. As if I wouldn't just drive off and go CtB somewhere away from people. Threatening to call 911 is just a bad practice psychiatrists and NP use to coerce patients. All it did was make me lie. So why do that to people?

I'll be honest and say that I don't really think she crossed a line She asked, you said no, and she didn't.

I'm wondering if you don't really trust her and that's why it seems like such a violation.

I was sectioned by my psychiatrist and left the office in a police wagon a few years ago. My husband was with me but I was not allowed to go with him; he was sent on alone. My doc knew I could be persuasive and that I might talk my husband out of a trip to the ER. He also knew that I was going to succeed in CTBing if given the chance, without question.

But I trusted him completely and it didn't feel like a violation. In fact, it felt like it was out of my hands and I could relax a bit.

Some people can't bring themselves to say the words. They need their doc to say it for them, for them to make the decision. I think that's what your doc was getting at.

Being here where we discuss it daily, it's easy to forget that many people never say the word suicide, let alone admit to thinking about it.

My current doc, who I do not trust completely, has asked me if I need to go to the hospital during a regular 90 day med appointment. I wasn't offended because he's just checking in clear language so I don't feel too afraid to tell him. That's his job. They all seem to ask in that passive, weird way. I don't think it's a threat as much as a chance to tell them something that might be difficult.

 

[Ghost2211]

Doctors are required to report if they are given the Impression you are an immediate threat to yourself or others. I almost got in trouble this way as well. You can tell them you don't want to live but not that you have plans to act on those feelings.

 

[Flippy]

Doctors are required to report if they are given the Impression you are an immediate threat to yourself or others. I almost got in trouble this way as well. You can tell them you don't want to live but not that you have plans to act on those feelings.

I was once told by a psych nurse that a patient had managed to persuade a psychiatrist that they didn't plan on ctb. Then a few days later they did and there was a hell of a lot of questions and investigations going on into why they managed to slip through the net. I suppose this sort of policy can protect doctors in the event something like that happens. I don't think you could blame them too much if the motivation isn't totally altruistic.

 

[AlreadyGone]

You need to be careful with how you tell people that you want to ctb. That is why I always say it is a risky endeavor to do so. If you advise that you have a plan of action, then you have a trip to the psych ward.

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

I'm going to a therapist this weekend and I wrote out everything minus wanting to ctb or sh just so I have notes on what to and not to say. I'm afraid they would lock me up and where I'm at that will not be good.

 

[Quarky00]

I'm going to a therapist this weekend and I wrote out everything minus wanting to ctb or sh just so I have notes on what to and not to say. I'm afraid they would lock me up and where I'm at that will not be good.

If you advise that you have a plan of action, then you have a trip to the psych ward.

You can tell them you don't want to live but not that you have plans

See @Flippy post above. They wrote perfectly. You can say anything just 'not soon'.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/doc-threatens-to-call-911.25755/post-557643

I gave 3 psychiatrists detailed plan and said I have everything ready, but will use in 1.5 month or so. Each had to consult more psychiatrist (protocol), so all and all 6 psychiatrists concluded no need to lock up : )

 

[Flippy]

I think the important thing to remember is that they only swoop into action when they think you are in immediate danger. That's why I'm careful not to say I have immediate plans. Even if I think that I do. I guess I don't want it to be taken out of my hands. I imagine other people probably do so for the same reason.

 

[Mm80]

See @Flippy post above. They wrote perfectly. You can say anything just 'not soon'.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/doc-threatens-to-call-911.25755/post-557643

I gave 3 psychiatrists detailed plan and said I have everything ready, but will use in 1.5 month or so. Each had to consult more psychiatrist (protocol), so all and all 6 psychiatrists concluded no need to lock up : )

My psychiatrist , uk, asked if i had a plan.and i frankly said yes, and described what i had acquired (amitriptiline cocktail) and exactly what id does and how it is taken. I explained that its my comfort blanket for if things get unbearable as im not an 18 year old who has split up with his gf, im a 21 year sufferer of severe depression and have been in hospital. What i found quite amusing was when he then asked me if i was willing to surrender these medicines? I said of course not, do you know how difficult these pills are to acquire?
I think the key word is imminent. If you give a detailed plan, time date location method etc they have to act, and in fairness maybe help some people. I think when you are coherent and rational, and make it clear you wont be harming others, they book up a follow up appointment whilst signposting you where to go if desperate.

 

[Flippy]

My psychiatrist , uk, asked if i had a plan.and i frankly said yes, and described what i had acquired (amitriptiline cocktail) and exactly what id does and how it is taken. I explained that its my comfort blanket for if things get unbearable as im not an 18 year old who has split up with his gf, im a 21 year sufferer of severe depression and have been in hospital. What i found quite amusing was when he then asked me if i was willing to surrender these medicines? I said of course not, do you know how difficult these pills are to acquire?
I think the key word is imminent. If you give a detailed plan, time date location method etc they have to act, and in fairness maybe help some people. I think when you are coherent and rational, and make it clear you wont be harming others, they book up a follow up appointment whilst signposting you where to go if desperate.

If I had some forever sleeping pills I doubt I would want to surrender them either! I do think it's a bit ironic when they ask me if I have access to particular methods, I kinda think, "why would I tell you, you might take it away!". I guess having a potential exit is going to be comforting to me too, just like these forums are. If they suggested I delete my account I really don't think I could now. Even if I became the happiest I've ever been, i feel like I've found a home here like I've never found before.

 

[Quarky00]

Agree with both of you
I, of course, tested the boundaries ........
First with 1.5 month, then 1 month , then 2 weeks but 'undetermined date' -- seems the sweet spot ;)

They test me. I test them.

 

[Flippy]

Agree with both of you
I, of course, tested the boundaries ........
First with 1.5 month, then 1 month , then 2 weeks but 'undetermined date' -- seems the sweet spot ;)

They test me. I test them.

I like your thinking lol! :-) That made me chuckle I have to be honest!

 

[Mm80]

If I had some forever sleeping pills I doubt I would want to surrender them either! I do think it's a bit ironic when they ask me if I have access to particular methods, I kinda think, "why would I tell you, you might take it away!". I guess having a potential exit is going to be comforting to me too, just like these forums are. If they suggested I delete my account I really don't think I could now. Even if I became the happiest I've ever been, i feel like I've found a home here like I've never found before.

I feel the same flippy.another story i found amusing was when a suppport worker asked....Is there anyoneone who can take care of your pills for you? I said of course not! What friend knowing the state i was in would look after, then give me back 280 amitriptiline pills? I didnt see him after that as i thought he just doesnt get it.
I hear a lot of anti psychiatry feeling on here, but i take a different view. I think generally they want to help, but dont always know how to as so little is really known and its all trial and error with medicines etc. I understand the covering their arse bit but is that not the same in lots of proffesions and society in general as we are all suing each other? Plus if somebody impulsively ctb after telling a pychiatrist his or her plans the day before, and nothing was done... wouldnt family and friends feel angry and the psychiatrist terrible about it?

Agree with both of you
I, of course, tested the boundaries ........
First with 1.5 month, then 1 month , then 2 weeks but 'undetermined date' -- seems the sweet spot ;)

They test me. I test them.

I think they are a genuine service to maybe someone who is in an impulsive state and in a really unpredictable emotional state. I think the fact that someone has done their research over time and is very rational about things should tell them a lot. I dont particularly want to take the bed of someone who is having a short term crisis and may come out of it.

 

[Flippy]

That sure is a lot of amitriptyline! I guess they have to try to persuade you but I don't think I would ever see those things again if I gave them to someone to look after! I guess psychiatrists on average want to help it's just it seems quite robotic the process they use. Like I read on another thread they will give you whatever treatment has a high success rate, the issue I find is when it stops working or never worked and then they get a bit peeved to say the least. I had an idea, I'm pretty good at repairing cars, so maybe I should start my own mechanics business. I would offer a 90% discount to psychiatrists but it would work like this... I would pick whatever was the most common repair I had the previous week. So if 65% of cars needed new brakes that would be the exact treatment I would give to their car. When it didn't fix the problem because really they needed a new exhaust then I would get peeved at them! I would tell them, well replacing the brakes on the majority of other cars worked. So your car is just not pulling its weight. It needs to just snap out of it. ;-) This may be a bit of a sore subject for me, but hell I'm trying to see the funny side! :-)

 

[Mm80]

That sure is a lot of amitriptyline! I guess they have to try to persuade you but I don't think I would ever see those things again if I gave them to someone to look after! I guess psychiatrists on average want to help it's just it seems quite robotic the process they use. Like I read on another thread they will give you whatever treatment has a high success rate, the issue I find is when it stops working or never worked and then they get a bit peeved to say the least. I had an idea, I'm pretty good at repairing cars, so maybe I should start my own mechanics business. I would offer a 90% discount to psychiatrists but it would work like this... I would pick whatever was the most common repair I had the previous week. So if 65% of cars needed new brakes that would be the exact treatment I would give to their car. When it didn't fix the problem because really they needed a new exhaust then I would get peeved at them! I would tell them, well replacing the brakes on the majority of other cars worked. So your car is just not pulling its weight. It needs to just snap out of it. ;-) This may be a bit of a sore subject for me, but hell I'm trying to see the funny side! :-)

Thats a brilliant analogy and its funny. The truth is imo is that they really are clutching at straws and if something isnt working will either up the dose or change the med. They certainly shouldnt be annoyed though that would piss me off greatly. My only myth with psychology and psychiatry is that i am at the last stages of a likely diagnosis of aspergers (high functioning autism) im now 39 and presented with depressive illness at 18 and since then its just been trial and error with the one size fits all ssris and snris. Its very narrow and i am sure that loads out there have other conditions that are co morbid and being put u der the depression umbrella. I believe amerca are way ahead with mental health but in the uk its so basic

 

[Quarky00]

I think they are a genuine service

Sorry, 'genuine' and 'psychiatrist' don't go together

Apologies, but I know the assesments, "should tell them a lot" true.. but practitioners not rational or attentive; hospitalization conditions r no help; and I'm not really here to help an abusive system. I'm with you in spirit (idea) -- but practice is not good.

 

[Mm80]

Sorry, 'genuine' and 'psychiatrist' don't go together

Apologies, but I know the assesments, "should tell them a lot" true.. but practitioners not rational or attentive; hospitalization conditions r no help; and I'm not really here to help an abusive system. I'm with you in spirit (idea) -- but practice is not good.

Thats fair enough.i stopped going for depression treatment as i felt they couldnt help. I had to jump through hoops to get an aspergers assesment, once thats done i wont bother with them.

 

[Flippy]

Thats a brilliant analogy and its funny. The truth is imo is that they really are clutching at straws and if something isnt working will either up the dose or change the med. They certainly shouldnt be annoyed though that would piss me off greatly. My only myth with psychology and psychiatry is that i am at the last stages of a likely diagnosis of aspergers (high functioning autism) im now 39 and presented with depressive illness at 18 and since then its just been trial and error with the one size fits all ssris and snris. Its very narrow and i am sure that loads out there have other conditions that are co morbid and being put u der the depression umbrella. I believe amerca are way ahead with mental health but in the uk its so basic

Thanks! I felt good typing that bit up! :-) haha! We are about the same age actually and I've been in the system for quite a while now too. One thing that's pissed me off is that when I move and change doctors my medical records seem to never get to where they should be! I always feel so awkward having to basically go through the entire history of my diagnosis. It can be a worry because I fear they might not give me my meds, though they don't seem to be as effective as they once were :-/

 

[Quarky00]

Thats fair enough.i stopped going for depression treatment as i felt they couldnt help. I had to jump through hoops to get an aspergers assesment, once thats done i wont bother with them.

I just don't know what to say , this makes me sad every time , people in pain are abused . Sorry you have to suffer more
(went through similar things)

 

[Mm80]

Thanks! I felt good typing that bit up! :-) haha! We are about the same age actually and I've been in the system for quite a while now too. One thing that's pissed me off is that when I move and change doctors my medical records seem to never get to where they should be! I always feel so awkward having to basically go through the entire history of my diagnosis. It can be a worry because I fear they might not give me my meds, though they don't seem to be as effective as they once were :-/

Its dissapointing as when i go to the same place but see a different doc i have got to the point of saying....have you read my medical history?most havent. It would be so much quicker to read it, think...yeah hes fucked and ask what drug id like to try next lol. But in the uk they prescribe them like sweets anyway nearly everyone is on an ssri

 

[Quarky00]

maybe I should start my own mechanics business. I would offer a 90% discount to psychiatrists but it would work like this... I would pick whatever was the most common repair I had the previous week. So if 65% of cars needed new brakes that would be the exact treatment I would give to their car. When it didn't fix the problem because really they needed a new exhaust then I would get peeved at them! I would tell them, well replacing the brakes on the majority of other cars worked. So your car is just not pulling its weight. It needs to just snap out of it. ;-)

You're a genius


@Mm80 , Same here!

 

[Flippy]

Oh yeah I've had that one too! Saw a GP to get a repeat prescription and he started to tell me that they couldn't just prescribe quetiapine. I was a bit amazed and said that they had given me a prescription the previous month and I was about to run out. He told me that he couldn't give me my prescription unless a psychiatrist had basically endorsed it. I said that it should be in my medical records surely! He said they hadn't seen them, that my previous GP hadn't sent them. This was despite nearly 6 weeks having passed. When I told him that I would be pretty screwed without my meds so it needed to be sorted, he then looked on his computer, and apparently my previous gp had just chosen that precise moment to send them. Sounded fishy to me, I think he just didn't bother checking for them.

 

[Quarky00]

my medical records seem to never get to where they should be! I always feel so awkward having to basically go through the entire history

Oh, how naive of you...
You'd have to do it even with medical records.
Surprise -- they don't read!

Always brought entire file and got: "Yes, but why don't you tell me in your own words". After the 10th time got tired and wrote brief summary (in my own words!!). Psychiatrist wrote: "Patient shows peculiar behaviours -- tried to hand me notes, and later read from them" So dumb.

(the serious take -- patient give 200%, psychiatrist don't give a damn, and 'blame' patient)

 

[Mm80]

Oh yeah I've had that one too! Saw a GP to get a repeat prescription and he started to tell me that they couldn't just prescribe quetiapine. I was a bit amazed and said that they had given me a prescription the previous month and I was about to run out. He told me that he couldn't give me my prescription unless a psychiatrist had basically endorsed it. I said that it should be in my medical records surely! He said they hadn't seen them, that my previous GP hadn't sent them. This was despite nearly 6 weeks having passed. When I told him that I would be pretty screwed without my meds so it needed to be sorted, he then looked on his computer, and apparently my previous gp had just chosen that precise moment to send them. Sounded fishy to me, I think he just didn't bother checking for them.

Doesnt surprise me one bit.
quetiapine can it treat depression ?