Do young men vote right-wing because they perceive it as cool?

[noname223]

Joe Rogan, Musk and the bro culture. Trump after the assassination. Anti-woke vibes. Anti-metoo. Being "hard" and not soft.

There is a right-wing extreme politician in my country Max Krah that made a TikTok Video and gives advices for young men how to get a girlfriend.

In a video on TikTok, Krah advised men not to let themselves be persuaded that they have to be "nice, soft, weak and left-wing." "Real men," Krah said, are right-wing, and emphasized several times: "We don't need immigration, we need children."

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Clearly it's because young men are inherently evil and there is no redeeming them. They must be getting ahead of the inevitable need for them to be extinguished by wishing it upon everyone else instead. I'm including myself among them even though I don't really know most of the people you're talking about.

 

[avoid]

I doubt it. People, including young men, vote for what they think is best for them and society as a whole. Everyone faces some problem that needs to be solved with legislative action. And it's up to the voter to decide which political party they think offers the best solution to societal problems. I don't think anyone who takes the time to vote would waste it to look cool. Besides, votes are anonymous or at least they should be.

 

[AnnonyBox]

George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are supider than that!" and I think that sums up society very well. We have the most unprecidented access to information in the history of Man, yet we don't use it. Instead people would rather clout chase by attacking the web archive, or try to appear more masculine by saying "your body my choice" or harassing gay folks. We have simultaneous famine and obesity crises. Our problems are all manufactured, false, but as a society we don't address them. I think there's a lot of willful ignorance out there too. People don't want to know. They'd rather live in a falsehood than fix reality.

 

[Nobodi]

Who ever engineers the algorithm controls society. It's Plato cave most of these people are puppets they follow a trend.

George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are supider than that!" and I think that sums up society very well. We have the most unprecidented access to information in the history of Man, yet we don't use it. Instead people would rather clout chase by attacking the web archive, or try to appear more masculine by saying "your body my choice" or harassing gay folks. We have simultaneous famine and obesity crises. Our problems are all manufactured, false, but as a society we don't address them. I think there's a lot of willful ignorance out there too. People don't want to know. They'd rather live in a falsehood than fix reality

Yep exactly

 

[Shadows From Hell]

It's not that they think it's cool... It's because they are sick of the crap from the left.

I know a lot of people who were Democrats their entire life, and switched to the right because of it.

Biden was booted, and I can bet that had there been voting for the next democratic president nominee, Harris would have lost a long time ago.

 

[banger12]

I'm a young man (22 y/o) who "votes right wing" but tbh idk if I'm very representative of your average young conservative-leaning guy because tbh I definitely notice what you're talking about and it annoys the shit out of me.

Ig a way to think about it is that if the campaign continually invested in that kind of outreach then at the time they probably felt like they were getting something out of it to keep investing time and resources into that messaging, outreach, advertising etc. Especially post-election, the win as well as what the exit polls revealed seen to indicate that it worked quite well for Trumps campaign. So this definitely makes your theory plausible.

Much to my chagrin, I personally think that you're correct and that this stupid macho arsthetic bullshit is part of the Trump/MAGA/Republicans appeal to young male voters. I hate it but ig you gotta do what you gotta do to win an election and you can't hand pick the electorate and have to appeal to the one that already exists (notwithstanding the fact that Trump the man on a personal level is very unpleasant and fits the aesthetic quite well).

I like to think that I come to my voting decisions and political opinions for different (and in my opinion way better) reasons. My preference for Donald Trump, at least as far as i can tell, was motivated by very different concerns. Plus, for what it's worth, as much as I don't like it I'm a fairly effeminate guy in a lot of ways so the "cool MAGA tough guy" aesthetic was never going to be my cup of tea anyway. Again though, warning, idk if I'm representative of your average Trump voting young guy at all.

Also idk many people my age so take everything with a grain of salt because im too isolated to know people.

Sorry if this was a dumb or annoying response and I hope it's not too long of a read.

I doubt it. People, including young men, vote for what they think is best for them and society as a whole. Everyone faces some problem that needs to be solved with legislative action. And it's up to the voter to decide which political party they think offers the best solution to societal problems. I don't think anyone who takes the time to vote would waste it to look cool. Besides, votes are anonymous or at least they should be.

As much as I hope you're right idk people are pretty stupid and vapid so it wouldn't shock me if they made their voting choice based off of dumb shit like what OP was referring to, or at least if they let the dumb shit determine their idea of who may have better policy solutions to problems.

Again though, I hope you're correct and maybe this is my inner resentful nerdy outcast self from high school coming back with a vengeance, in which case I'm a piece of shit.

 

[NikolaiK]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

You do realize that your current system is the same one from the past, right? It's the same one causing all of the problems you are complaining about. Materialism and consumerism are aspects of capitalism, a lot of environmental concerns partly come down to capitalism, and the destruction of the family has to do with the promotion of the nuclear family unit and "traditional values". Donald Trump isn't going to fix any of these issues. He's going to just end up worsening them. You didn't vote against the current establishment, you voted in favour of giving it more power. The right doesn't even focus on real issues most of the time. I should know since I used to watch a lot of right-wing bullshit back in middle school and high school. A lot of it was just either misinformation or complaining about shit that was "woke". Do you know how many times I find right-wingers complaining about shit, such as trans children being given gender reassignment surgery despite that not even being a fucking thing? There is no "progressive regime" in your country. You guys don't even have an actual major left-wing party. The Republicans and Democrats have actually been going further and further right of the political, not left. You live in a country with two right-leaning parties. Look at every other developed country in the West and compare it to the US. You guys lean further right and have been leaning further right than most Western nations for a long time. We've even talked about it before in my country (your upstairs neighbour).

 

[NikolaiK]

You do realize that your current system is the same one from the past, right? It's the same one causing all of the problems you are complaining about. Materialism and consumerism are aspects of capitalism, a lot of environmental concerns partly come down to capitalism, and the destruction of the family has to do with the promotion of the nuclear family unit and "traditional values". Donald Trump isn't going to fix any of these issues. He's going to just end up worsening them. You didn't vote against the current establishment, you voted in favour of giving it more power. The right doesn't even focus on real issues most of the time. I should know since I used to watch a lot of right-wing bullshit back in middle school and high school. A lot of it was just either misinformation or complaining about shit that was "woke". Do you know how many times I find right-wingers complaining about shit, such as trans children being given gender reassignment surgery despite that not even being a fucking thing? There is no "progressive regime" in your country. You guys don't even have an actual major left-wing party. The Republicans and Democrats have actually been going further and further right of the political, not left. You live in a country with two right-leaning parties. Look at every other developed country in the West and compare it to the US. You guys lean further right and have been leaning further right than most Western nations for a long time. We've even talked about it before in my country (your upstairs neighbour).

Im not sure that traditional values and the nuclear family are the cause of increasing divorce rates.

I am also not defending capitalism or the republican party. I am critical of the progressive liberal regime as a whole which includes capitalism. The propenents of the industrial revolution were progressive liberals, and the free market is liberal, the environmetnal destruction caused by capitalism is on the hands of progressive liberalism. The orginal environmentalists were conservatives, it's in the name "conservation". Blaming right wingers is a scapegoat to explain why we haven't reached utopia yet, so that the progressive spearhead retains an image of having clean hands and the trajectory continues.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Im not sure that traditional values and the nuclear family are the cause of increasing divorce rates.

I am also not defending capitalism or the republican party. I am critical of the progressive liberal regime as a whole which includes capitalism. The propenents of the industrial revolution were progressive liberals, and the free market is liberal, the environmetnal destruction caused by capitalism is on the hands of progressive liberalism. The orginal environmentalists were conservatives, it's in the name "conservation". Blaming right wingers is a scapegoat to explain why we haven't reached utopia yet, so that the progressive spearhead retains an image of having clean hands and the trajectory continues.

The divorce rate has literally been decreasing over time, not increasing. This is esepcislly the case when looking at Gen X and millenials. Also, what "progressive liberal regime"? In your original post, you mention the "radical left", which is anti-capitalist. Liberals are not the same as leftists. Conservatives aren't "the original evironemntalists". Conservatives have a history of getting rid of environmental protections and kissing the asses of large corporations, especially oil and gas lobbyists. Right-wingers are not some poor little scapegoat. They are actively hated on for good reason.

 

[NikolaiK]

The divorce rate has literally been decreasing over time, not increasing. This is esepcislly the case when looking at Gen X and millenials. Also, what "progressive liberal regime"? In your original post, you mention the "radical left", which is anti-capitalist. Liberals are not the same as leftists. Conservatives aren't "the original evironemntalists". Conservatives have a history of getting rid of environmental protections and kissing the asses of large corporations, especially oil and gas lobbyists. Right-wingers are not some poor little scapegoat. They are actively hated on for good reason

the divorce rate has been massively increasing long term.

I am from the UK so the politics here is a little different. Conservatives (capital C not necessarily tories) have historically been interested in conserving british countryside from largescale modern development. The environmental activist left is anti capitalist but only when it comes to the west, they readily encourage industrial development in non western countries and would consider it progress. I also personally think that materialist ideology, excessive development and urban living has disconnected us from nature and lead to its exploitation. I don't see much hope in climate activists because they ironically are some of the loudest advocates of these things. They are largely materialists who if they had there way would probably urbanise the entire world with just a few national parks dotted around, which would probably be full of car parks, sign posts and art displays.

Unfortunately i don't have any solutions for how to improve the world. I'm just pessimistic. Observing things and complaining about them. I guess that's why im here on this forum. I do think maybe stop doing the things that are causing the problems would be a good start. Modern ideas have caused modern problems, so taking a step back to re-evaluate might not be a bad idea.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't know much at all about politics but, I don't think people- men or women but maybe especially men like being told what to do. Or that their lives are being controlled by others. In the UK, we were enticed to vote for Brexit by being told how we were all being controlled by Europe and Brussells or whatever. So much focus was placed on what they took from us. Sadly, those who opposed it didn't seem to do an equally good job of arguing what the benefits were and what we'd lose if we left.

I think it works in a similar way though. I don't think it's so much that it's seen as 'cool'. More that it plays on fears- these other rules are emasculating you.

The irony I suppose is that- whatever we follow, we're still following someone else's ideology and an agenda that will primarily suit them.

 

[Leiot]

People don't for for anything anymore; it's all about voting against someone else. The media and internet has turned people against each other. It's easy to hate because you can blame all your problems on someone else, and these pundits make someone else the villain. Usually left vs right or some shit like that.

 

[littleadonis]

i always perceived that we in the west have no culture, i hated white people, our culture was just adolf hitler and the kkk. The purpose of life was just to work and consume, i was totally nihilistic. I became a "radical leftist" because anyone with dissident views is shuffled in there, its the only acceptable place to express you discontent with society. Ironically you become the biggest supporter of the progressive regime that thas lead to the many discontents of modern western society. It was a strange moment when i realised others shared my views on the meaninglessness and nihilism of the west, the environmetnal destruction caused by materialsm, destruction of family and community, and destruction of beauty, they were far right. I realised they were talking some sense and the real reason for the discontents of so many of us isn't white men, conservatives, or donald trump, they are just scapegoats. The real cause of our ever increasing problems is not social systems of the past, it's the current system. The far right are the only ones pushing back and speaking up about our real problems in the west. Of course they are demonised, they are a threat to our current establishment.

The most uneducated and backwards comment I've read in a while. I'm guessing you're a JBP fan. It sounds like something he would say. He is not educated on the topics he is speaking about mate. He's notoriously a pseudointellectual. The majority of intellectuals, I'm talking about scientists, historians, and other experts, are liberal thinkers and there's a reason for that. I actually had the opposite journey you had. I was a very conservative person but I became obsessed with study and scholarship. And studying the evidence made me question and abandon all the values I used to hold because I realised how my thinking came solely from a total misunderstanding of how the world actually works. I was deluded and what changed my perception of the world was a lot of introspection (tackling my own cognitive biases and fallacious thinking) and a healthy respect for actual evidence.

 

[DarkRange55]

Thats funny I always heard the joke that if you're not a liberal by the time you're X age then you don't have a heart and then if you're not eventually a conservative by the time you're X age you don't have a brain.

Youth are much more attracted to fantastical things like conspiracy theories and nazism and stuff like that and much easier to pull in.

Hitler Youth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Idk maybe it's all that blue pill, red pill, black pill, gold pill, whatever pill jargon. I don't really follow of any of it…
Maybe it's just cultural tides shifting, just cyclical?

Strauss–Howe generational theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know, I honestly haven't given it much thought. Maybe its just natural pushback to the rise of liberal censorship "woke" DEI or whatever.

Bill Burr said you can't sway too far to one extreme end because naturally the balance will pull itself back into equilibrium. He said Trump is the natural reaction to the shift to the left.

 

[NikolaiK]

The most uneducated and backwards comment I've read in a while. I'm guessing you're a JBP fan. It sounds like something he would say. He is not educated on the topics he is speaking about mate. He's notoriously a pseudointellectual. The majority of intellectuals, I'm talking about scientists, historians, and other experts, are liberal thinkers and there's a reason for that. I actually had the opposite journey you had. I was a very conservative person but I became obsessed with study and scholarship. And studying the evidence made me question and abandon all the values I used to hold because I realised how my thinking came solely from a total misunderstanding of how the world actually works. I was deluded and what changed my perception of the world was a lot of introspection (tackling my own cognitive biases and fallacious thinking) and a healthy respect for actual evidence.

there are intellectuals who are not liberal thinkers but they probably don't have careers

 

[Ironweed]

Joe Rogan, Musk and the bro culture.

Joe Rogan was literally a Bernie Sanders supporter.

Trump after the assassination. Anti-woke vibes. Anti-metoo. Being "hard" and not soft.

If one side demonizes you as the epicenter of all that is evil based upon immutable characteristics like skin color and gender while the other side does not, is this really a hard choice?

There is a right-wing extreme politician in my country Max Krah that made a TikTok Video and gives advices for young men how to get a girlfriend.

In a video on TikTok, Krah advised men not to let themselves be persuaded that they have to be "nice, soft, weak and left-wing." "Real men," Krah said, are right-wing, and emphasized several times: "We don't need immigration, we need children."

I'm not certain I agree with this in all instances, but the vast majority of immigrants into Europe, the United States, Canada and Australia since the end of World War II have no interest at all in conforming to the norms of the country where they find themselves. Instead they are literally colonizers enforcing their cultural beliefs on a (dwindlng) majority and for whatever reason find willing handmaidens and even enforcers on the left side of the political spectrum. I don't see how anyone can reasonably dispute this.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

the divorce rate has been massively increasing long term.

I am from the UK so the politics here is a little different. Conservatives (capital C not necessarily tories) have historically been interested in conserving british countryside from largescale modern development. The environmental activist left is anti capitalist but only when it comes to the west, they readily encourage industrial development in non western countries and would consider it progress. I also personally think that materialist ideology, excessive development and urban living has disconnected us from nature and lead to its exploitation. I don't see much hope in climate activists because they ironically are some of the loudest advocates of these things. They are largely materialists who if they had there way would probably urbanise the entire world with just a few national parks dotted around, which would probably be full of car parks, sign posts and art displays.

Unfortunately i don't have any solutions for how to improve the world. I'm just pessimistic. Observing things and complaining about them. I guess that's why im here on this forum. I do think maybe stop doing the things that are causing the problems would be a good start. Modern ideas have caused modern problems, so taking a step back to re-evaluate might not be a bad idea.

The overall divorce rate has been on the decline for decades:

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Along with that, an increase in divorce rate isn't a reflection of the breakdown of family values. Rather, it can instead be argued to be a reflection of other issues, such as issues with the economy. I also don't see why people like you are so obsessed with divorce anyways. Divorce is usually the end of an unhappy marriage. That's not a bad thing. As someone whose parents are divorced, I could give less of a crap about the divorce rate.

If you are from the West then of course most of your efforts are going to focus on the West. Just as how someone from the middle east would be mostly concerned with the ongoings within the Middle East, or how someone from the Caribbean would be mostly concerned with the ongoings within the Caribbean. You are obviously going to focus the most heavily on the issues going on where you live because that is where you live. You have more knowledge of what's going on in your region of the world in comparison to other parts of the world. Also, industrialization and the environment is a complex issue. We cannot expect developing nations to be held up to the same standards as developed nations for a reason. Western nations have stricter policies in place and have more access to advanced technology that can allow us to more easily find ways to mitigate the use of things, like fossil fuels, and to properly manage and dispose of waste. Developing nations do not have the infrastructure or laws in place to do these things. Hell, a lot of developing countries also have to deal with waste that gets imported from the West. The environmental issues in developed and developing nations are a reflection of differences in economic status.

Along with that, they are also in a much less stable economic situation, so they don't have as many options for economic growth in comparison to most Western countries. Part of why the West is the way it is today is due to shit like the industrial revolution. We are currently at a point where we can move past that. These other nations aren't. They need room to grow too. Something that should also be noted is that changes in the West can also lead to changes in developing nations. For example, if new, cheap, accessible, and cleaner sources are energy are discovered and become used more in the West, they can also potentially be implemented in developing nations. Changes in the West may also make it so that there would be less demand for certain environmentally unfriendly resources, leading to potential changes in the development of these poorer nations.

Places like the US and the EU are major contributors to CO2 and they both have the least amount of excuses for it. The West has fewer excuses for its large environmental footprint in comparison to many other parts of the world.

Your claims about environmental activists are also just generalizations that don't even seem to be based on anything. It feels like you are just stereotyping them to more easily dismiss them.

 

[casual_existence]

An important factor in US politics is the fact that terms are too short for any economic effects to take place during a term. So each president is going to be blamed for this or that when it might not even be their fault. Also the government has very little control in economic activity though this is by design. I would also like to add that when people say that people are ignorant it's a bit unfair. No one has time to become an expert in neuroscience and upper level mathematics. Hell most people can't be bothered because they have families or are just lazy.

Also any policies that would cause real change would be countered by most people just because most people are very uneducated in what would actually cause change. An easy one is immigration. Immigrants are a great way to spur economic activity and it's cheap. Its negative form is more easily accepted I think. Brain drain is a very damaging activity for a country but there's no easy way to counter it.

And I just want to mention something that isn't quite related. There's this thing called accelarationism where they want to move straight to the limits of capitalism because this will lead to a paradigm shift that will either lead to rebirth or destruction. We're nowhere near accelerating to the very limits of capitalism because people aren't greedy by nature. At least not in the way you would think.

 

[Chinaski]

I don't know much at all about politics but, I don't think people- men or women but maybe especially men like being told what to do. Or that their lives are being controlled by others. In the UK, we were enticed to vote for Brexit by being told how we were all being controlled by Europe and Brussells or whatever. So much focus was placed on what they took from us. Sadly, those who opposed it didn't seem to do an equally good job of arguing what the benefits were and what we'd lose if we left.

Tbh brexit was never a left/right issue, it was just heavily presented as such by those who were virulently anti-left, which is why the poster boy for "remain" is now prime minister, clobbering immigrants and refusing to engage with the EU (who tbf are bad) in the wake of expelling his predecessor from front-line politics (a man who was the only legitimately anti-racist Labour leader in the history of the party, who was condemned for acknowledging the outcome of a referendum and instead focused on the politics of power redistribution) when it was beneficial to the sensible centrists as a wedge issue, idk, if there's a lesson to learn from politics consider Jeremy Corbyn and Keir Starmer simultaneously.

 

[Winterreise]

Yes, its the whole package. The new attitude, new ideas ,new vocabulary, new identity and mission in life. They get a boner everytime they wear that red thing on their head,or utilize their lethal confusing language

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה,

Technically Freud would call it infantile to define one's masculinity in relation to a pederastic relationship to strong male authority figures, instead of say, Torah and the needs of a man's wife.

Freud was also a really coked out Jewish guy who obviously loved the minge, but it does adhere to Jewish ethical principles. "Just get married already and support your wife."

 

[InversedShadow]

There is not many for which it is a main reason, however such people do exist

 

[Blue Dream]

Nah, it's because they're impressionable , misinformed edgelords who haven't experienced current workforce and living realities, making them extra vulnerable to consent manufacturing, which has been refined and fully automated.

And the ideology shaping their views is at least partially funded by foreign interests.

 

[Kris7825]

Real men and women are right-wing patriots. Progressive liberals are an embarrassment to everyone.