Do you think you will end up in a concentration camp one day if the current political developments go on?

[DarkRange55]

I feel like the distinction between a concentration camp and an internment camp is often just a technicality. If you look up definitions and comparisons you find them often interchangeable, with people tending to want to use "internment" as a "nicer" version of the same thing since the Nazi concentration camps come with a particularly horrible (the holocaust) distinction.

But, generally speaking, they are kind of the same thing with semantics in play.

I guess thats true. In my head, I always link concentration camp, at least in common parlance, with extermination. And internment more for imprisonment. And a gulag for forced labor. But I know I'm missing the nuances. I just meant in the common colloquial usage. But thats a good point, I'm glad you pointed that out.

There was a prison stock I looked at buying during Trump's first term.
I think China recently surpassed the US in number of prisoners. Crazy.

 

[Dejected 55]

I guess thats true. In my head, I always link concentration camp, at least in common parlance, with extermination. And internment more for imprisonment. And a gulag for forced labor. But I know I'm missing the nuances. I just meant in the common colloquial usage. But thats a good point, I'm glad you pointed that out.

There was a prison stock I looked at buying during Trump's first term.
I think China recently surpassed the US in number of prisoners. Crazy.

Society tends to change definitions to suit them over time... words get redefined, and people like to parse things and use a politically correct narrative to sound like they are not being as awful as they actually are.

Internment sounds better than Concentration because of the Nazi history that everyone jumps to... but in reality they are the same thing and what can happen at either such setup has a wide range of just being a temporary holding place, to abuse, to outright murder... and once you start down the slippery slope of thinking one is okay, you don't have to go far to get to the other being fine too. After all, most people never really see or know for sure what happens to people once they get inside.

Like with the Japanese Internment camps in the US during WWII... only the people who were in those camps know for sure what they went through. Most other people don't know, for instance, about how all their money and possessions were taken from them when they entered the camps and I don't think anyone got their stuff or money back when they were released... not to mention all the stuff that happened and they were deprived of in the meantime just for existing in the country and being of a particular genetic descent during that time... none of them having been proven of otherwise doing anything wrong. Does it make it more palatable that they weren't systematically experimented on or executed like the Jewish people were in Nazi Germany? I guess technically it's better just to be unfairly imprisoned for years than to be tortured and executed... but I imagine you won't find a lot of prisoners cheering for that distinction.

I'd be surprised if China or India didn't have more prisoners numerically... their population is huge! It's the percentages of the population where. the US is way ahead of everyone else. I mean, are US citizens inherently worse than everyone else in the world by proportion? Maybe we are... but as far as I know we still lead by a wide margin with the percentage of incarcerated vs our population. We make up a relatively small part of the world's people but proportionally imprison more of our people on average. It's crazy when you look at it like that.

 

[Ilovemyteddies]

Yes, I think every single person who has posted in this thread has a good chance of ending up in one, hopefully we can go out fighting though, or on our own terms before they can get us obviously, although I feel like fighting them would be a sort of moral duty but fulfilling perceived responsibilities has never been my strong suit anyway.

 

[Hvergelmir]

If you look up definitions and comparisons...

Correct me if I get this wrong, but I got curious and did some surface level research.
I didn't delve into the morality of rounding people up like cattle, but instead tried to understand the intent.

Concentration camps where originally used by Spain and Britain. The idea was to detain civilians in order to separate potential sympathizers from active insurgents.
Lack of regulation and neglect caused death and starvation.

Internment camps are made to detain specific groups, without trial, until proper action can be taken.
When working as intended, those are regulated, temporary measures.

What the nazis did was a combination of concentration camps, labor camps, and extermination camps.
Camps purpose-built for mass executions, is what takes that to another level.
To understand contemporary sympathizers, it's worth noting that they often deny that those existed - instead choosing to believe that they were propagandistic lies engineered by the winners.

 

[Dejected 55]

Correct me if I get this wrong, but I got curious and did some surface level research.
I didn't delve into the morality of rounding people up like cattle, but instead tried to understand the intent.

Concentration camps where originally used by Spain and Britain. The idea was to detain civilians in order to separate potential sympathizers from active insurgents.
Lack of regulation and neglect caused death and starvation.

Internment camps are made to detain specific groups, without trial, until proper action can be taken.
When working as intended, those are regulated, temporary measures.

What the nazis did was a combination of concentration camps, labor camps, and extermination camps.
Camps purpose-built for mass executions, is what takes that to another level.
To understand contemporary sympathizers, it's worth noting that they often deny that those existed - instead choosing to believe that they were propagandistic lies engineered by the winners.

Seems reasonable... it's just that the difference between Concentration and Internment camps is so thin that it isn't worth noting to me... and the words are often used interchangeably, though Internment "sounds" better than Concentration... but in the end, ultimately, it is about people in power rounding up people they don't like who haven't otherwise committed a crime or broken a law that anyone knows of... IF you know of a group of people who are breaking laws, you would arrest them and try them and put them in prison if convicted... but that's not at all the point of these camps. They exist only to be cruel and impose unsupported imprisonment/restriction on a group because you don't like them for whatever reason. IF you had a real reason, you'd use those paths and do it above board.