Do you think you deserve to suffer?

[executioner1983]

I think we all probably deserve to suffer. Whether you should is a different matter though.

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

Oddly enough I don't think about deserving my suffering. It just happens. It would likely happen no matter what I do. I don't find value in defining the cause of my suffering. It feels like superstition. Naturally, I try to reduce my suffering, but I feel the relief there is just psychological.

 

[Edistrying]

Sometimes I do... Sometimes I think i never been a Bad person & i don't why I have to have this sadness

 

[grisly bear]

By "all" do you mean all people, or just those of us who are already suffering?
And why do you think we all probably deserve to suffer?
I don't think anyone really deserves to suffer (except some people maybe), but some people just suffer.
And I don't think there is a reason why some suffer and some don't. Some things are just the way they are.

 

[dolemitedrums]

Not really, no.

 

[executioner1983]

By "all" do you mean all people, or just those of us who are already suffering?
And why do you think we all probably deserve to suffer?
I don't think anyone really deserves to suffer (except some people maybe), but some people just suffer.
And I don't think there is a reason why some suffer and some don't. Some things are just the way they are.

Well as a human on Earth today our existence is inherently bad. We all use up way more than we need and we do it in the name of comfort. Realistically most of us don't need a job nor a phone nor a house. You can survive on very little, maybe not optimally but survive definitely.

Also, I'm pro-choice, anti-trump(I don't use this term seriously ever I'm just trying to make a point), vegan, and a whole lot of other things but how can I know that I'm right and others are wrong? If I want people—who hold aggresive opposing beliefs—to suffer then I should suffer just as well alongside them, because odds are someone on the other side is wishing the exact same on me. It's more than likely that we're all wrong and we all deserve to suffer. And even if that's not the case, a lot of us still hold radical opinions that justify our suffering, even if you don't label them as so.

 

[grisly bear]

Well as a human on Earth today our existence is inherently bad. We all use up way more than we need and we do it in the name of comfort. Realistically most of us don't need a job nor a phone nor a house. You can survive on very little, maybe not optimally but survive definitely.

Also, I'm pro-choice, anti-trump(I don't use this term seriously ever I'm just trying to make a point), vegan, and a whole lot of other things but how can I know that I'm right and others are wrong? If I want people—who hold aggresive opposing beliefs—to suffer then I should suffer just as well alongside them, because odds are someone on the other side is wishing the exact same on me. It's more than likely that we're all wrong and we all deserve to suffer. And even if that's not the case, a lot of us still hold radical opinions that justify our suffering, even if you don't label them as so.

Okay, now I understand your point of view much better.

Of course, the life we humans lead today and impose on our planet (and each other) is completely unacceptable.
Many, if not all, of us have more luxuries than we need and still want more.
This essential greed for more and dissatisfaction with what we have is more like a disease.

Personally, I think it's good that you eat a vegan diet, for example.
But no one can really judge whether you are "right" with your lifestyle and your attitude to life, because everyone has different views and beliefs.
The line between 'right' and 'wrong' is very thin and often very subjective
However, I don't believe that everyone deserves to suffer just because others wish you to suffer.
Nor do I think that everyone deserves to suffer just because you wish suffering on those who have a different, even radical, opinion.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

What did we do to deserve suffering? And why suffer if we can just off ourselves?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

No . I and most don't deserve to suffer. We were birthed into this prison hell . We didn't consent to this nightmare. They never even gave us real education just a bunch of lies. I want out of life. I never did anything to anyone. Now they wont let us out as they banned guaranteed suicide methods. We are victims slaves prisoners.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Well as a human on Earth today our existence is inherently bad. We all use up way more than we need and we do it in the name of comfort. Realistically most of us don't need a job nor a phone nor a house. You can survive on very little, maybe not optimally but survive definitely.

Also, I'm pro-choice, anti-trump(I don't use this term seriously ever I'm just trying to make a point), vegan, and a whole lot of other things but how can I know that I'm right and others are wrong? If I want people—who hold aggresive opposing beliefs—to suffer then I should suffer just as well alongside them, because odds are someone on the other side is wishing the exact same on me. It's more than likely that we're all wrong and we all deserve to suffer. And even if that's not the case, a lot of us still hold radical opinions that justify our suffering, even if you don't label them as so.

I feel guilty about the negative impact I have on the world- yes. But, not enough to substantially change my behaviour. I still put most of my needs above the planets if I'm honest. I've made changes definitely but, not really enough.

But, I don't feel entirely responsible for that either. I'd prefer not to have born! Given a reliable, peaceful option, I would remove myself from this earth. But- neither parents or society want that so- largely- it's their fault and their decision. We're here unwillingly and made to feel guilty for it- I don't think that's fair!

We suffer when we repent I suppose and yes- I deserve to feel guilt about people I should have treated better. But other stuff- pain, others being cruel to us. Why would we deserve that? I definitely don't like religious ideas that we have to suffer for some weird abstract sin. I think it's utterly messed up that so many people, good people suffer.

 

[prkset]

The only people who deserve to suffer are those who willfully beget the suffering of others.

 

[QueerMelancholy]

I think the whole idea that humans deserve anything whether it's suffering or anything else is such a human idea.

People believe suffering is a part of life and maybe they're right. I dunno really. But I feel like the idea that humans deserve anything is so absurd. Punishment, rewards, all such a convenient idea. Humans think hard work deserves success. There's so much entitlement to things so much hubris. Human arrogance can be such a strange and manipulative force.

Humans will bend mountains, opinions, ideology, culture, science, religion, and everything else they can bend to suit their desires.

The idea that suffering begets compassion too boggles my mind. One would think with all the intellect man has mustered throughout time that we could be smart enough to prevent most of wholly unnecessary suffering such as poverty and hunger.

That wall between suffering and entitlement. This idea that anyone deserves anything. Humans built the walls and created the rules dividing them. Between right and wrong, good and evil, between ethics and agency.

What does a long life afford any of us but more opportunities to suffer? A few wonderful experiences are crowded by uncomfortable boredom. A pursuit of happiness marred by planning, plotting, and human bias.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

Not really, I have never done anything so bad that begets suffering. As you said, some people just suffer for other reasons, sometimes outside their control.

 

[Kusogaki]

YES

 

[sserafim]

Of course not. I don't deserve to suffer

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, I don't deserve to suffer. I was born in this life against my consent so I shouldn't have to be dealing with suffering. I instead deserve peace permanently. This is why I want to be dead as I won't have to suffer ever again after I'm dead

 

[ringo99]

To the level I am now? No I don't. I've done questionable things in my life but I don't deserve the kind of pain I'm going through. But we live the life we get not the one we want

 

[lawlietsph]

Sometimes I think I deserve everything bad that has ever happened to me. But then I look at myself and my personality and I don't know why life is so horrible to me.
I am always kind to people and trying to help whenever I can. I could never even hurt a fly.
So if I'm being realistic, no I don't deserve to suffer and this is the cause of feeling so left out and being so envious to others. Maybe.

 

[Lost Magic]

I used to think so, but not anymore. However, a certain degree of suffering is inevitable in life.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I only deserve the peace that only non-existence can bring, I never deserved all the pain and hurt that existence so tragically causes, I'd be relieved to finally cease existing as only then will I be unable to be harmed by this existence, I only wish for eternal nothingness, an permanent end of the futile and torturous burden that is human existence. I'd never wish to exist no matter what and I know I was never meant to suffer in this existence so undesirable, all I hope for is to never suffer again.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I do not deserve to suffer. I do not deserve how destiny treated me in the past years and how everything went wrong that ultimately led to the fact that I ended up here. I do not deserve to suffer.

Nobody deserves to suffer we all should be able to live healthy and fulfilled lives.

 

[Kalista]

Well as a human on Earth today our existence is inherently bad. We all use up way more than we need and we do it in the name of comfort. Realistically most of us don't need a job nor a phone nor a house. You can survive on very little, maybe not optimally but survive definitely.

Also, I'm pro-choice, anti-trump(I don't use this term seriously ever I'm just trying to make a point), vegan, and a whole lot of other things but how can I know that I'm right and others are wrong? If I want people—who hold aggresive opposing beliefs—to suffer then I should suffer just as well alongside them, because odds are someone on the other side is wishing the exact same on me. It's more than likely that we're all wrong and we all deserve to suffer. And even if that's not the case, a lot of us still hold radical opinions that justify our suffering, even if you don't label them as so.

'being wrong' is a matter of perspective that not everyone will ever fully agree on, if at all. if we're going down this road, then it needs to be mentioned that 'morality' is just a social construct. it's literally an abstract idea that people created and used to run their lives. it is not universal, nor absolute and doesn't need to be believed or followed. it doesn't exist and work like a chemical reaction between two elements.
so to say that we're all wrong (or right) is in the end irrelevant.

you mentioned most don't need jobs, a phone, or a house. i'm sure there's more in that list. while it's true that people can survive without those, that implies we revert back before advanced technology entered our lives. why?
i can agree that most don't need jobs since this country alone overproduces products that just goes to waste such as food which can go to hundreds of thousands of people or even more.
a smart phone is a technological advancement that connects us to information we have never achieved since before it was released. at the palm of our hand, it provides knowledge to millions of people in an instant which is beneficial to the individual (depending on the information learned). it is only a tool. tools produce results depending on how it's used and tools are useful to improve something in a person's life.
a house is a shelter from the elements. even people who live out in the woods have some form of shelter to protect themselves from predators.
having a level of comfort is not a bad thing. if it's possible to increase the comfort level, then why not? it's achievable without being wasteful. it's the wasteful individuals who are part of the problem.

there's no true way for you to know if you're 'right or wrong.' this is absolutely impossible due to cultural differences and how morality is simply subjective. inflicting suffering unto yourself just to stop being a hypocrite is pointless. you can do that all day with every action that you do, and comparing beliefs that you hold against others -- because again, it's all a matter of perspective.

having a 'radical opinion' is relative because of said reasons above. however, eventually, even radical views can become mainstream over time. safe to say not everyone would want specific 'radical' views to become mainstream such as suicide as a choice.

 

[No More Tears]

 

[ADBoy777]

I don't know tho. Every person has done some stuff he regrets about for sure but I don't know if suffering is the suitable punishment. I guess not I don't believe suffering solve anything

 

[BirdWithoutWings]

My mindset is if I didn't deserve it bad things wouldn't consistently happen to me. As it's been a constant in my life, I had to have done something to deserve it all. I wasn't, and couldn't have been perfect my entire life. Maybe my actions had severe consequences on others as a child, and that's why I'm doomed to a life of despair. Most people I come across do not deserve their hardships, though, I just know that for myself personally I have to have been a bad person.

 

[HarryCobean]

I don't think I deserve to suffer, but it turns out that everyone else disagrees.

 

[escape_from_hell]

How do we know our current state is capable of understanding the ultimate nature of philosophical desert?

It seems some of us are in hell in this plane, while others are in heaven. There are some on this planet who are murderers, thieves, and also happen to be powerful wealthy people, celebrities, and so on, that are clearly sadistic psychopaths. They have no shortage of love or bear the pain of guilt or anything. Only pure bliss and reward at the level of their very soul.

However, the universe has deemed they deserve joy and love. The universe has deemed some of us need suffering.
Either there is ultimate indifference or there is a higher cosmic sense of justice, perhaps some unremembered transgression or violation in another state of consciousness. Perhaps this realm is totally inconsequential.

Part of the punishment of being in hell is the pain of not knowing what you did to deserve it.

 

[divinemistress36]

None of us deserve to suffer!

 

[Tarrasque]

That's a big part of the problem! I don't think anyone deserves to suffer, but I seem to make an exception for myself?

 

[sleepingrabbit]

Idk. It's less a matter of whether or not I deserve to (and the answer to that is ambiguous. I don't know.) it's more a matter that I feel like suffering. "Why not self harm in this way too?" Yknow?