Do you think suicide is bad at all?

[FuneralCry]

In my opinion, wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a life like this. To me, it makes sense wanting to escape a world that is filled with pain and suffering. Life is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it. I believe we all have the right to exit at a time of our own choosing, and it is nothing to do with anybody else. We have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is a personal decision when we should end our own lives, so therefore suicide is not wrong in any way, it is a human right.

Suicide should not be so stigmatised in society, and I believe that euthanasia must be legalised. It is inhumane how people are forced to resort to traumatic and painful methods that could fail in order to end their suffering.

 

[xLosthopex]

I don't think it's ever immoral to suicide, but I can agree it can be a 'bad' thing in that it's obviously a sad and tragic situation when a person is suffering so much that it's their best/last option, but that certainly doesn't equate to it being an inherently wrong or irrational thing, as the pro-lifers would like to believe

 

[milly]

In my opinion, wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a life like this. To me, it makes sense wanting to escape a world that is filled with pain and suffering. Life is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it. I believe we all have the right to exit at a time of our own choosing, and it is nothing to do with anybody else. We have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is a personal decision when we should end our own lives, so therefore suicide is not wrong in any way, it is a human right.

Suicide should not be so stigmatised in society, and I believe that euthanasia must be legalised. It is inhumane how people are forced to resort to traumatic and painful methods that could fail in order to end their suffering.

What do you think of parents with minors in their care?

 

[FuneralCry]

What do you think of parents with minors in their care?

I am fully pro choice and I believe in the right to die for all. I do not have young children, but if I did and I was planning to ctb, I would make sure they are somewhere where they are properly cared for. I believe that nobody should be forced to live no matter what.

 

[fox_wannabe]

No, unless you have kids or pets. Or if you do that to harm somebody intentionally, for example by blaming them in death note. I would also add that suicide is bad when It harms you without killing you and makes you dependent on other people.

The family will suffer loss of loved one, but they also expect to die before you do, making you witness the death of your entire family until you have nobody left. If they care of course. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

In my opinion, wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a life like this. To me, it makes sense wanting to escape a world that is filled with pain and suffering. Life is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it.

I want to make a distinction about this. I might be wrong but this is what I believe. Life always had pain and suffering, but there used to be things to justify putting up with it. Those things have been systematically stripped from existence one by one. Things didn't have to be this way.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Yes I think suicide is a very bad outcome. However, it can be the lesser of two evils and people are forced to do it

 

[diyCTB]

Most of the people you describe though are either still around 18 or their early 20s well I'm almost 28 years old and still a single, kissless, dateless virgin so rather than waste someone else's time ruining their life I already know it's too late to even try. I can only hope this makes my suicide more of a good thing than I could ever hope to achieve in life…

I am 38. Deliberate celibate and antinatalist. Always there was something that told me to not pursue relationship. I think it was not being ready for relationship and family. The drive for sex and relationship is a curse of humanity with potential to leave people broken, traumatized, mentally ill or dead. The drive was strong in me and I could have made poor choices and end up as as a systematic slave and family slave or in the worst case divorcing and paying alimonies. In this sick modern society of today this potential is higher and having children means more time to protect them from perils of society. Time that you don't have because you sacrifice most of your life for a stressful job where you might be dealing with toxic peers and must worship your boss to ensure stability.

No mate. I don't want this kind of life not for myself, not for my unborn children. I have fought temptations and I still do but I have made my choice and it's a logical one. I don't want anything to do with this world and it's a price I am willing to pay for eternal freedom.

The only times I think it's bad is in the case of parents of dependent children. They made the choice to bring someone into this shitty world, only to decide it's too much to deal with once they realize everything isn't sunshine and roses. Making the cycle of misery start all over again. At the very least they should ensure they leave their kids in the hands of a trusted and capable caregiver with some amount of money, so they don't have the possibility of being abused in some foster system.

Many do it on emotions and when we are emotional our IQ goes into negative and we don't think with our heads straight. We rush things to happen too soon without dedicating enough of our time to know the person and this is a recipe for incompatibility at best and disaster at worst. Are we to blame ourselves or pro-life media where they like to portray happy family life like the best thing since sliced bread? Are we to blame free access to pornographic content that ruins the minds of the youth? And I haven't mentioned dysfunctional families where parents breed children to receive government benefits or parents that multiply for the sake of it and throw children to trash outside or plainly kill them. Try talking about this topic with people and you will be ignored at best or told by pro-lifers that you need to see the positive side of life.

You know what? I didn't know these things much when growing up and I had positive outlook until I realized what world I live in.
I am tired of this bullshit. Tired of this hypocrisy. Of this façade and I don't want to participate in this shitshow, let alone bring innocent children in it. I don't want to be cog in this system made to serve higher ones who sit in governments and govern our planet and decide when to wage wars or other sick things. Who use me as their expendable meat as a means to an end, who ride on people's back and their children's back.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Is it ever wrong to take your own life? Do we all have the right to do it regardless of our state of mind or whether we would have lived a happy life if we hadn't? Do we need to be suffering to a certain degree for it to be okay?

Personally the only thing I view as bad is the experience of suffering, and I don't see pleasure/happiness as outweighing it in general. So to me the state of being dead is at worst completely morally neutral. You could argue suicide causes suffering to others, but intuitively I don't feel it is right to force someone to suffer just to prevent others from suffering.

If you have kids depending on you shouldn't CTB. When they are adults and independent it's different. But you brought them to this world and least you can do is to do your best that they make it.

 

[Chinaski]

I'm not sure "the authority" is in anyone else's hands. If I determined to die as soon as possible, I could be dead within the hour, with or without anyone's permission.

I think some on here conflate whether we should have an absolute right to demand that others assist us with suicide, no questions asked (say, Nembutal injections on demand, like OTC aspirin) with whether we are free to suicide. These issues are not the same.

This is absolutely correct imo, much of the chat about Right To Death On Demand (except for those with kids, or those who fail a psych assessment, or those who can't afford it, or whatever criteria excludes many people but not the person posting the opinion, conveniently enough) is based around the false premise that there's an organised movement of black-clad Proe Lyffahs hiding in undergrowth, waiting for the opportunity to strike in order to deny someone their right to suicide. The chat around SI is similar, as if it's a magical external force which interrupts our best-laid plans. The reality is our right to suicide is absolute, all else comes from within.

 

[Yziar]

Why would it be bad? Just take your own life in your own terms

 

[Panna]

Suicide itself isn't bad. It's the circumstances which would lead someone to suicide that are often unfortunate to say the least.

Exactly this, the causes that lead to the person feeling the need to or following through with them in the end.

 

[ritaline]

Never gave my consent to be born anyways so i should have the right to leave this hell
Unless there's someone (kids/disabled parents) or an animal that depends on you.

 

[keithknife]

Although I strongly believe it is an unalienable right for one to commit suicide (and I have considered it myself and likely will do it one day due to my debilitating health), I do think there are times when it is either immoral or (as I'll explain below) "tragically wrong".

One definite immoral situation is when you are a parent/caretaker of a minor and your death will not only traumatize them, but is also a failure to live up to your responsibility to raise and care for them. If you were to abandon your spouse and children, the law would rightly demand that you make financial restitution. I suppose if one was rich enough to provide this and ensure there was a replacement for custody then this would be mitigated.

The other "tragically wrong" situations occur when one is not of sound or developed mind. If a 7 year old was to decide life was not worth living, s/he does not have the mental development to make that decision. We would not let a 7 year old get married, or even vote, let alone make a decision that would permanently ensure that their mind could not further develop. Likewise, temporary insanity is another possibility. I'd not call either of these "immoral" because moral responsibility cannot be applied to either of these cases. Rather, they are tragic. The 7 year old may well have grown up to be a very happy person, and the temporarily insane may have been happy at all other times; for this reason their deaths are not "right", but a sad state of affairs that any rational, moral person, given omnipotence, would prevent.

 

[tieiwi]

Is it ever wrong to take your own life? Do we all have the right to do it regardless of our state of mind or whether we would have lived a happy life if we hadn't? Do we need to be suffering to a certain degree for it to be okay?

Personally the only thing I view as bad is the experience of suffering, and I don't see pleasure/happiness as outweighing it in general. So to me the state of being dead is at worst completely morally neutral. You could argue suicide causes suffering to others, but intuitively I don't feel it is right to force someone to suffer just to prevent others from suffering.

It's never wrong. Society just labels it as bad when it's not. If everyone started to commit suicide then that'd mean less people contributing to society. I'm pretty sure suicide being 'wrong' has been instilled throughout the years just to protect society from falling apart. Like how the rich need the working class in order to stay rich. If most people in the working class started to commit suicide then who would build the rich peoples houses, make their food, make their clothes? To the working class though, suicide would be ideal because then they'd stop having to work, and stop having to live in poor conditions if they are struggling. This makes me think about how maybe religion and the whole heaven and hell were created by man in order to control others. So now people are scared to commit suicide because they fear hell. You know the whole scare tactic thing.

Suicide is a choice, literally. It's a choice between life or death and suicide means choosing death. Anyone can commit suicide. Nobody has the right to tell you whether or not you're valid for doing so. The whole "you need to be suffering greatly in order to commit suicide" is utter bullshit. When someone is about to commit suicide there isn't some text box that shows up asking "please provide examples of the pain and trauma you have suffered throughout your life to the best of your ability down below, one of our representatives will review your submission and decide whether or not you are allowed to die, thank you".

 

[ForeverLonely82]

Life can be unbearable and when you have nothing that helps you get by then I find it to be a perfectly acceptable choice. One thing that angers me is why is it people only care if a personal is suicidal and THEN go away when they are stable? Most people are so fake these days that I'd rather just wallow alone in silence then deal with my fake family and "friends" who only show a pinch of empathy when feeling at my absolute worst. Why I just don't bother reaching out these days. I don't want false relations with those who don't feel that sense of worthlessness. No one should feel. This world sucks and there is barely, if anything in it that stops these feelings of wanting out.

 

[Somber]

From a rational point of view I think suicide is the right thing to do, depending on both the person and the circumstances. By extension that also means that for certain people it isn't. I can argue that more liberal access to euthanasia would be the ethical choice, but not unfettered access where anyone at any time in any emotional state of mind should be able to flip the switch.

But even when people commit suicide for reasons I can understand, I still feel sad when they go through with it.
The rational part of me is happy for them being finally released from their torment, but the emotional part would like to save them so much.
Who am I to try to deter them in their goodbye threads when they need courage to carry through and all I can feel is despair.
Words elude me when that's all one can give on a forum as this, making me feel worse when it should all be about them.