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noname223

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I thought about it two times. Someone in this forum committed suicide and wrote a note. And he wanted that relatives of him learn about him after his death. I realy sympathized with this person. He was genuinely a good, sensitive and compassionate person from what I have read. Personally, I think I rather want to be forgotten. But I dislike my family. I imagine the funeral so weird and awkward. I am not sure how my friends would have coped with my suicide if I went through it last October. We joked about me committing suicide or what it will be like for them. Tbh if they did not call the police they could have gotten a legal penalty for not stopping me. I wanted to delete the chat but I was not sure whether I would have done it in a state of panic. They always promised never to call my parents or the police but I am certainly not angry with them.

I am not sure whether I want to be forgotten by everyone. I wish my friends could move on. But I don't want to be forgotten by them. I always joked my several thousands posts on Sanctioned Suicide will be my legacy. Combined with the absurd high number of pictures I took for dating apps. When I was younger I hated to take pictures of me and not that many existed. Now I multiplied the number of photos that exist maybe by 30 times?

In my self-help group my crush wanted to talk about children, having a good impact on the world. She said she does not know whether she can fulfill that dream with her career due to her illness but she wants to have a legacy. A good impact on the world (by having children). I replied I tried to be as polite as possible that I think having children is not per se equivalent to having a good impact on the world. I said my abusive parents are a good example for that. Having children comes along with carrying a huge responsibility. You have to give them a good life if you want to have a good impact on the world. (I know many here will even disagree with that). I did not want to bring up antinatalism I think she is already not interested in me. Lol.

About having a legacy I said I think most people don't really have an impact on the world or a real legacy. I said do you remember your great great great great grandmother? How often do you think about her? We will all be forgotten in a couple of generations. There are some historical figures like Hitler, Stalin, Churchill who probably will be remembered for some hundred years. Will they be remembered in 5000 years by many though?
Moreover, do most of them have a good legacy? I brought this up with being forgotten in a couple of generations because someone says that in David Foster Wallace's The Pale King. However, I noticed a contradiction in my personal philosophy. I tend to believe in parts of the chaos theory. I tend to believe that minor changes in history can have a huge, very extreme impact on how history plays out. At the same time I think there is some truth in history does not repeat itself but it rhymes. If I agree with most people don't have a real impact on the world I cannot really believe in parts of the chaos theory. I think the best answer for this contradiction is the following. You will never really know whether you had a positive or good impact on the world. Mabye we can say that about a Hitler or Stalin. But not about the average Joe and Jane. I don't think that most people have a large scope of action. We are mostly a product of our genes and environment. There is some wiggle room where you can decide for yourself. And this can make you either a good or bad person. (somewhat) I think we people in Western industrial societies are part of a large exploitation process of the Southern globe. We are probably guilty in many instances. And some volunteering won't outweight that. But I tend to become way too cynical about that. We have an impact on many lives often without good or bad intentions. Many things happen in life randomly. Our real impact is very hard to evaluate. And a part of it is neither something to feel guilty for nor something to be proud of.

What do you think about it? I think we on here also carry a huge responsibility posting in a suicide forum with many unstable people. I sometimes feel like I am a time bomb and I could explode under the wrong circumstances.
 
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To answer your question, I think a single human can have a huge impact. But how many people are willing to put the effort and do the work? Most people pick an easier alternative, such as having normal lives. Truly dedicate the next 10 years of your life to something and you'll have a good chance of having an impact (whatever goal you set), make sure you aren't watching youtube shorts or tiktoks along the way, you need full focus and dedication.

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Firstly, I don't think you need to have a "real" impact or have a "real" legacy.

You also noticed (having kids or not) that different people think differentlt about what it means to have a good impact on the world. I personally think people should be allowed to die if they want, but I can see how having kids can be a positive thing. Sure, let's just all give up and die out, that will help, right? In a way, yes. In another way, no. Maybe she is at least trying to make the world a beter place (assuming her values are "good"), you just want to give up. I don't blame people for giving up though.

Will Hitler (and I'm glad you were the first to bring him up, because I was considering talking about him) be remembered in 5000 years? I hope so. But looking at the state of the world some people want you to forget about him, so that they can repeat what he did. If we forget about atrocities or rewrite history, we will repeat it. I'll argue we are already repeating it.

Does Hitler have a good legacy? Depends who you ask. Most people would say no. It's sad that not all would say that.

People have differenr goals. It's possibly that Hitler truly believed that his vision was good. And in a messed up way, he was. The world would be better if if consisted of a single "tribe" or ethnicity. The world would benefit it there was only one language. In a very very long run. Translating stuff leads to misunderstandings and generally is a waste of time. If we all spoke the same language, translators could be baking bread for example. Much more efficient and productive use of time. Sure you lose out on culture traditions, jokes, but does that matter? I don't agree we should kill each other and what he did was evil in my view, but I'm just trying to understand others. I never read his book/notes though. Just trying to understand.

It's not like the entire Earth being a single country would suddenly get rid of all problems, people will always find a reason to hate each other.

People alsp have different goals and reasons to do stuff. It doesn't have to be good. Some people do stupid stuff so they can be remembered, or other reasons.

I digress.

You also mention chaos theory. I don't know it (I know the butterfly causing tornadoes thing, I think thats related), but maybe it's correct, maybe not. We shouldn't dismiss stuff just because it would ruin our beliefs (however uncomfortable that may be). Not saying you do that.

Maybe an average joe and jane don't need to have a huge impact on the world. We need average joes and janes as well.

i don't feel guilty. The western world is not perfect, but it's much better than China and Russia. Just because somebody is worse doesn't mean others aren't bad. USA is tricky, but generally people just get along and want peaceful lives. And many evil people know that, they know that people just want normal lives and can take advantage of that. Doing nothing allows evil to prevail, but plenty, mosty people will be fine with terrible stuff happening as long as they are reasonably fine.

I feel like this post and my comment are all over the place and I feel like your post title is a bit different than the contents (or maybe I diverted too much). This is a mess, I guess it's much easier to discuss a specific topic instead of something this broad. This is too broad. Also writing from mobile sucks. I don't like this wall of text, but I'll still post it.
 
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VoidButterfly

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May 17, 2025
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I think trying to assess your overall impact is nearly impossible, and I think it ends up very much like The Good Place idea where even doing something nice ends up with assive negative points in modern society. I think that's not a useful metric. I think having a big impact on the world is also something that kinda by definition most people caan't do. I think we'd live in a very chaotic place if that wasn't the case.

So for myself, honestly I never really wanted a legacy. I want to die and be forgotten about. I'd often fantasise about wiping out any proof that I ever existed. But these days there's a couple of things that I'm actually happy to leave as my legacy. I found a kid online many years back, in a bad situation. He needed an adult in his life who gave a shit about him and actually would listen and had his back. I was a little uncomfortable with that role at first but it ended up being a thing and he's in a better place for it. He's an adult now and I'm extremely proud of him and the role I played in his life, his life is better because I was a part of it. Other than that, I've published scientific papers and they're not well known but in some way I contributed a brick to the wall of knowledge our species has and it's not world-changing but it is mine. These things are my legacy. Their impact is small, but real to me.
 
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Feb 29, 2024
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I don't care about having a legacy. It won't last. Humanity is not going to survive the heat death of the universe.
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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Definitely it's possible. There are people who died decades ago who will still celebrate because of their achievements. Doesn't necessarily mean they were happy though or, that they even got to realise their own worth in their lifetime- in which case, it somewhat tarnishes it really to my view- if they didn't get to benefit from it.

It probably depends what a person wants really. I have known non famous people leave the world a better place than when they came into it- through their kindness to others. I always felt that was the best thing to aim for.

I'm not sure I will even have done that really but, I don't know that I even care anymore. I'd like to hope I'd be remembered kindly by most- hopefully. Again, I don't care about all. There's always going to be some we disagree with. I suppose- she did her best with what she had, is all I could realistically hope for. Lol. Not exactly a high bar!
 

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