Do you think "impulsive suicides" should be prevented?

[wildflowers1996]

I imagine there are *some* people who are glad they were "saved". What are your thoughts on this?

 

[itsalittlecold]

Impulsive yes, it needs to considered seriously.

However for some, they could have made peace with the act of ctb, but setting a date could cause more anxiety- so impulsive is a good option in that context. I've got a date in my head, but there's also a high chance to overcome SI I will have to do it on an impulse.

That's just my opinion though of course

 

[rozeske]

I don't think they should. I believe there is some degree of thorough thinking for a while before impulsive acts of suicide. In most cases people don't impulsively commit out of the blue. They usually must have contemplated the idea of suicide and their life in general before using the opportunity of impulsive moments to push them over the edge. Which I think is a brilliant way of fighting off SI and debilitating anxiety surrounding ctb plans.

 

[dinosavr]

Depends. If a suicidal person acts on impulse, then no, it's just a way to do what they're sure they want to do.
If a non-suicidal person has an impulse to kill themselves then I think it shouldn't be ignored.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

In most cases people don't impulsively commit out of the blue.

This. LITERALLY NO ONE attempts suicide out of nowhere. Something as extreme always has a deep or strong root. People about "impulsive suicide" as if it materialized out of thin air, or that person never suffered before, have a fundamentally flawed understanding of suicidal ideation.

To me it's just a way to gatekeep suicide tbh, that person must've suffered a lot. So you think someone can actually attempt dying over a minor inconvenience? Lmao ok.

 

[seraph168]

I think a person should not commit an act of suicide until they have exhausted their entire repertoire, that being methods of battling mental health and physical acts. Is there anything they can do to change their life? Their situation? Their feelings? I believe, only once those methods are exhausted. Then, they should really consider the thought of CTB. If the hurt is just too much and becomes unbearable where maybe that really is the only option. Barely thinking about it is crazy

 

[_AllCatsAreGrey_]

I think this is an interesting and complex question. I don't feel that there is a blanket answer for all. On a personal level I'm working on managing impulsive urges. For me this is because every time I've attempted in the past it was impulsive and they obviously weren't successful. In those impulsive states I recognize that it's difficult for me to consider the method well. This may result in lack of success and further suffering. I intend to ctb, but I want to do so with a clear mind.

When it comes to others, I recognize that it's not my choice or my life, so I don't feel they should be prevented per se. I'm completely pro-choice on the matter. I am inclined to encourage some rational thinking about the method and it's chances of success. But even this varies according to the circumstances.

 

[Worndown]

One if the reasons they succeed is because they just happen. SI has a hard time catching up!
How could anyone prevent this when SI cannot?

 

[itsalittlecold]

This. LITERALLY NO ONE attempts suicide out of nowhere. Something as extreme always has a deep or strong root. People about "impulsive suicide" as if it materialized out of thin air, or that person never suffered before, have a fundamentally flawed understanding of suicidal ideation.

To me it's just a way to gatekeep suicide tbh, that person must've suffered a lot. So you think someone can actually attempt dying over a minor inconvenience? Lmao ok.

I have to respectfully disagree there. Yes most people have had the ideation and the thoughts deep rooted to some extent.

But there is & will be cases of people acting on an impulse, without even having the ideation prior to that. People can be helped & there is a lot of people who have tried or wanted to commit- had access to the health care needed & lived happy and content life's… even sharing there story to encourage others to reach out.

Mental health can be solved in some cases.

Mental disorders on the other hand…

 

[wanttodie12345]

I do think impulsive suicides should be prevented - via access to reliable and peaceful methods with ? assistance to prevent suffering should something go wrong. Perhaps short waiting period with some access to counseling to help individuals feel comfortable and prepared with their options, guidance on end-of-life preparations, but it shouldn't be a months long process, and it shouldn't require family/friends to vouch for the suicidal person's intent. It shouldn't be cost prohibitive, and shouldn't require traveling long distances. What if inpatient psych offered these services instead of sedation and restraints and positive thinking? Counseling about the realities of death, assistance arranging support in the community to improve the patient's situation, counseling about improving mental health, while in a safe and supportive environment instead of being talked out of your feelings at every turn. At the end of the stay, patients have the option to continue with assisted suicide or discharge home. Dreams huh?

 

[Deleted member 8119]

I have to respectfully disagree there.

There's nothing wrong with that.

But if the person attempts without previous distress, such mood swings are in fact, a huge problem. A person with balanced emotions would never suddenly jump into that. I just can't think any case where a sudden attempt would happen in a healthy mind, I think it's impossible!

 

[itsalittlecold]

There's nothing wrong with that.

But if the person attempts without previous distress, such mood swings are in fact, a huge problem. A person with balanced emotions would never suddenly jump into that. I just can't think any case where a sudden attempt would happen in a healthy mind, I think it's impossible!

I do agree with you there. I think off the top off my head in the context of- losing your job for the first time or the loss of a marriage. The intensity of the emotions at that time can make them think there's no coming back from that and there's no point starting again.
Off course that's with the assumption they was no ideation or wanting to end it prior to that

 

[willitpass]

It depends on the context of the impulsivity, as stated above. Someone who doesn't have much of a mental health history who has a one off bad day and has a belt tied around the stairs without a second thought has a high potential to come down from the emotional high and realize that isn't what they actually wanted. Someone like me, on the other hand, who has been suicidal over half my life and has exhausted all treatment options who wants to die but prefers to not plan a date for the sake of SI would technically be considered impulsive in the moment, but not impulsive in the long run. Planned impulsivity is what I like to call that. Saving me from suicide just because I didn't plan it out down to a T would be pointless.

 

[tsykoais]

I just can't think any case where a sudden attempt would happen in a healthy mind, I think it's impossible!

i mean there are a lot cases of people that impulsively attempt while under the influence. drugs/alcohol can heavily influence a persons thought process leading to impulsive decisions. there's actually a heavy link between alcohol and firearm suicides and many people who have survived suicide attempts while under the influence of alcohol have expressed extreme regrets and have remained permanently disfigured/disabled. most of those people just needed someone to talk to at the moment and if they did they wouldn't be in the situation they are now.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That's such a difficult question because everyone's situation is going to be different. I think maybe there are some people out there who might actually appreciate someone giving enough of a shit about them to stop and listen to their problems. I think I've read about cases with assisted suicide that- just being able to talk about their feelings openly gave them a little longer lease of life. So- in terms of showing that we do actually care about one another genuinely as a species, I think some people's intention to prevent suicides comes from a good place.

After that though, it's questionable whether that person will actually be given the support that might help them. If that would actually help them. That's the thing- everyone's reasons are different. Maybe some people could be helped, maybe some would be willing to accept that help. Others may not want it at all though and I think that should also be respected- so long as they appear to be able to rationalise their thoughts.

Ultimately though- you wouldn't be able to tell which that person was when they were on the wrong side of the railings on a bridge- so I understand why people are usually stopped and taken off to be assessed.

It's really that though that I have the biggest problem with. Not that they were stopped. Not that people were panicking to save them- that almost feels like a knee jerk reaction but- how they can be pretty much criminalised after that- involuntary sectioning, forced to take medication, sent to psyche wards that may only expose them to very disturbing situations that make matters worse. It's that I wish they would focus on.

Really though- as others have also said- what defines an impulsive attempt? They just had the thought half an hour ago? How likely is that? How many suicides really are that impulsive? How long do we need to be thinking about it for it to become a well thought out decision?

Plus, in any regard, they'll simply argue that someone who has had ideation for decades has probably had depression for that long too- so- they're not thinking clearly either! I don't think we'll ever measure up to their standards of rational thought because they seem to think the moment you consider suicide, you have become irrational by default and either psychotically impulsive or lost in deep depression.

 

[Gangrel]

It's very complex, i can talk about myself only, the only times i've tried to ctb it was impulsive, i was obviously not right in the mind and not at peace with it.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

Impulsive suicides yes.

The major point about euthanasia and assisted suicides in countries where these are legal is that they require repeated requests to undergo them, usually with at least a few weeks passing in between them. And this is how it should be. The genuinely caring process could go something like this:

1. First, the world tries to help a suicidal person, finds out what their problem is, and tries to get as creative and as helpful as it can to try resolving the issue.

2. If it turns out that cannot happen at that specific time (because of lack of medical knowledge or because it is literally impossible to solve the problem) and if the person continuously and repeatedly asks to be allowed to die, then they should have a right to do so peacefully.

 

[Morte]

Impulsive suicide, yes. Impulsive euthanasia, no.

 

[F@#$]

Do what you will.

Impulsive yes, it needs to considered seriously.

However for some, they could have made peace with the act of ctb, but setting a date could cause more anxiety- so impulsive is a good option in that context. I've got a date in my head, but there's also a high chance to overcome SI I will have to do it on an impulse.

That's just my opinion though of course

I don't have a date as much as an appropriate scenario to execute my plan.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Impulsiveness is irrelevant so long as it's incessant. Which for hundred of millions of people (paticularly adults) around the globe is the case.

 

[Duality]

There are a lot of people who don't thoroughly plan and try to kill themselves, but who survive and are happy that they're not dead. A lot of people try to commit suicide as a cry for help, not necessarily to die.

Anyway, I think that if you are impulsive you will likely be found and treated. If you are planning, you will account for these factors and, barring bad luck, won't be found. In a way impulsivity is already being prevented - as are serious plans but that's another topic. Now, should the former be prevented and the latter be allowed if two patients arrived at a hospital? I want to be careful to not gatekeep when I say this - there is a lot of evidence that impulsivity leads to regret, so basically yes, the hospital staff should focus on resuscitating the impulsive patient, and leave the other patient alone.

I guess the takeaway is that one should really, carefully plan their CTB as much as they can if they are very serious. Not doing so can lead to long term consequences, not just on the 'oh I would have regretted dying' side, but also regretting having not passed away and possibly living with a long term disability as a result of a botched attempt.

 

[Cress]

I imagine there are *some* people who are glad they were "saved". What are your thoughts on this?

I think when suicide and right to die reaches its final form And logical endpoint. That it's fair to allow society a Reasonable amount of time to try to correct whatever issues you're having in your life. If the host society can't correct what's troubling you To the point where you are willing to stay Then they no longer have any right To insist that you stay living.

The whole mental health system is totally broken and underperforming in our realistic universe I was merely talking about a hypothetical world where they've really thought about reducing suicide. I don't blame people that impulsively try to harm themselves due to frustration with the system. With that said I still think it's a good idea to try to see if you can fix what's wrong in your life to some sort of reasonable degree and if you need help allowing friends and family and medical professionals the chance to help you and see if they can turn things around.


The sad part is Very few people treat suicide in a empathetic and compassionate manner. Friends and family treat to chronically suicidal Like they're always crying wolf and then they act incredibly surprised when they actually pull off an attempt. Medical professionals in hospitals are so overworked and all the patients look the same that they handle everything in a cold manner it's dehumanizing.

I hope everyone's able to overcome the adversity that they're going through in life and if you're reading this I wish you nothing but the best. My DM's always open if you need someone to talk too.

 

[davidtorez]

Impulsive suicides yes.

The major point about euthanasia and assisted suicides in countries where these are legal is that they require repeated requests to undergo them, usually with at least a few weeks passing in between them. And this is how it should be. The genuinely caring process could go something like this:

1. First, the world tries to help a suicidal person, finds out what their problem is, and tries to get as creative and as helpful as it can to try resolving the issue.

2. If it turns out that cannot happen at that specific time (because of lack of medical knowledge or because it is literally impossible to solve the problem) and if the person continuously and repeatedly asks to be allowed to die, then they should have a right to do so peacefully.

This %

 

[SilentSadness]

The body is unfortunately a major obstacle in suicide attempts, and as others have said "impulsive" attempts almost always have a large backlog of suffering. A lot of people seem to think attempts that weren't planned a long time in advance are "impulsive" but I doubt the person would agree, to them they know only suffering. What's the point in gatekeeping anyway, the body does that already.