Venting Do you really hate pro life people?

[FuneralCry]

I really do and they should be hated as they only cause way more harm. It's really disgusting to be pro-life in this world where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer, it disgusts me how so many are against the right to die and wish to stop others peacefully escaping from this existence.

It's really sadistic how many humans see suicide as something to so harmfully prevent and make peaceful suicide inaccessible, it's just beyond evil honestly how we were forced into such a hellish world yet humans want to do all they can to make existence into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape on their own terms.

I don't understand those people as do they really want to be trapped in this reality with no way to die in peace, do they really want to die slow, painful deaths from old age, do they really want to experience such extreme agony with no way to peacefully die. Pro-life is really just pro-torture and pro-suffering and existence can get so torturous beyond how one can even imagine.

Under no circumstances would I ever wish for human existence, it's an abomination to exist as a concious being with the ability to suffer to extreme amounts. Existence itself is the true problem which is why I really despise how sadistic pro-lifers are, they really do love making others suffer for as long as possible.

 

[sanitystruggle]

Not, I don't hate them. I think they are misguided. I hate some of their actions and find them disgusting (doxxing, some of the ways people from this forum are spoken about esp. on X/Twitter by the Stop SaSu crowd), but I don't hate the people.

 

[Malaria]

It depends on the individual and how they go about their pro-life ideology. It also depends on how you define "pro-life".

 

[Ambivalent1]

They are abominations thus saith the Lord. He he he

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I do. They only want to keep us alive for their own benefits so that we can slave to the system. They consider suicide as the easy way out from the responsibilities of life and they want us to slave to the system. I think that the people who aren't against elderly people having euthanasia aren't against it because of how elderly people already slaved their lives away to the system and are unable to, or find it difficult to, slave away even more. How can I not hate people who want me to work hard just because they think I should? And, no, I don't buy the idea of them being misguided. Sure, maybe they act like they are misguided but actions speak louder than words and their actions makes it clear what their true mindset is regarding all of this

 

[sserafim]

I hate how they infringe upon other people's freedom and autonomy (like the right to die)

I do. They only want to keep us alive for their own benefits so that we can slave to the system. They consider suicide as the easy way out from the responsibilities of life and they want us to slave to the system. I think that the people who aren't against elderly people having euthanasia aren't against it because of how elderly people already slaved their lives away to the system and are unable to, or find it difficult to, slave away even more. How can I not hate people who want me to work hard just because they think I should? And, no, I don't buy the idea of them being misguided. Sure, maybe they act like they are misguided but actions speak louder than words and their actions makes it clear what their true mindset is regarding all of this

Literally

 

[Blue Elephant]

@sanitystruggle If one allows themselves to be misguided and do and say whatever they are told to do and say (which is mostly evil, because why would anyone control other people?) then they are despicable.

@Malaria Being pro-anything before you asses the situation is wrong. You cannot think objectively if you already made the choice.

 

[AllMyDreams]

I feel like there are two categories. The ones who actually believe we can get better, and the ones who just want to remove the option because they like controlling people.

I am perfectly fine with people saying "You're young, you should try XYZ before deciding to kill yourself, or wait a few years, because I think you have the potential to get something out of life". In many cases I think people need to hear that. And often it's coming from people who genuinely care. I have told others this very thing several times and I mean it.

I hate people who say "I know you have an incurable disease, and you're a grown adult with no prospects of getting better, and that suicide might be the best option for you, but I think you should live many more years because you have an obligation/my religion says so". Or people who want to censor all discussions about the topic.

 

[sanitystruggle]

@sanitystruggle If one allows themselves to be misguided and do and say whatever they are told to do and say (which is mostly evil, because why would anyone control other people?) then they are despicable.

Ironically very similar things are said about the users and operators of this forum by the people you are criticising. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I don't think it helps.

 

[Little_Suzy]

No. There are very few pro-lifers in the real world.

When people express a desire to die, the majority of people back the cause privately rather than publicly.

If you are not going to stay and contribute to society, stop threatening suicide and actually do it.

This is exactly what they think; they just don't say it out loud.

Society allows you to die as long as you do so in a productive way, such as fighting in combat or participating in medical research, such as cancer or HIV/AIDS.

 

[Blue Elephant]

Ironically very similar things are said about the users and operators of this forum by the people you are criticising. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I don't think it helps.

True, the indoctrinated hate us for daring to practice free will. I'm not sure I understand though, are you pro indoctrination?

When people express a desire to die, the majority of people back the cause privately

Well I'm not sure where those people are, I never met one person (in real life) who would support another who wants to die. Actually I haven't met one person who is at least neutral about it, they all are strongly against it.

Society allows you to die as long as you do so in a productive way

In other words as long as they can use you and your death. Your suffering is their happiness.

 

[ringo99]

No I don't and it's irrational to do so unless they actively try to harm you. I have enough relatives and a few friends who are pro-life and absolutely wonderful people. There's no way I could ever hate them. If they reacted with distress towards my intentions to ctb (not that I'd ever tell them) I'd understand that it's coming from a place of genuine concern and not selfishness or a willingness to hurt me

 

[sanitystruggle]

True, the indoctrinated hate us for daring to practice free will. I'm not sure I understand though, are you pro indoctrination?

Wtf? Not sure how you'd conclude that from what I wrote. No. Clearly not. I just don't think that bringing terms like "hate" and "evil" into the discussion is productive. They seldom move things forward and just result in polarised groups yelling over each other.

 

[ilovecats]

No. I don't hate them at all. They act based on their perspective, values and logic just as we do. Most believe that preventing suicide is the best option while most people here believe that it's best to ctb during dire situations. It's all about perspective and I can't blame "pro-lifers" for acting based on what they think is best for us.

 

[Blue Elephant]

Wtf? Not sure how you'd conclude that from what I wrote. No. Clearly not. I just don't think that bringing terms like "hate" and "evil" into the discussion is productive. They seldom move things forward and just result in polarised groups yelling over each other.

Well, you said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't think indoctrinated people should be allowed opinions simply because they don't have any, they just spew whatever they are told to spew and because they hurt others by spewing those opinions. Those are not actually opinions, they are commands. Having an opinion would require intelligence.

 

[BlendedHeart]

I don't hate people who thinks different than me, unless they try to shove their beliefs in my face.

"Live and let die", as the song says.

 

[sanitystruggle]

Well, you said that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't think indoctrinated people should be allowed opinions simply because they don't have any, they just spew whatever they are told to spew and because they hurt others by spewing those opinions. Those are not actually opinions, they are commands. Having an opinion would require intelligence.

I don't think indoctrination is a very useful lens through which to view the opponents of this website's existence. They are self-styled citizen vigilantes or journalists looking for clicks. If anything they are trying to indoctrinate their audience. To suggest they are indoctrinated implies there's someone else behind the scenes formulating opinion and setting an agenda. I just don't think that's true and I think it's good to avoid characterisations and statements like "evil" and "hate" because that provides just the kind of drama that they like to screenshot and share on X/Twitter to support their mistaken claims about this website and its purpose.

 

[willitpass]

I don't hate them no. I fully understand that most people view life in a different perspective than suicidal people and you cannot blame them. Death and grief are a horrible thing to experience, especially when it is unexpected or someone is younger. I do, however, hate the people who attack and harass people from this site. There is no excuse and if they actually cared about people so much then it doesn't take much common sense at all to know that doxxing and threatening suicidal people is beyond fucked up. So most pro-life people I can understand even if I don't always agree, with the exception of the extremists.

 

[Blue Elephant]

@sanitystruggle They hate and hurt us and the admins of this site regardless of what we say or do, online and offline, here and on the platforms they own and control. They twist our words when need be, you know this! Of course this happens by someone's order, think of their coordination, think of who owns them! Do you think there is any one normie free out there? Do you need me to share the definition of being free?

One in our position can't possibly love them or even stay neutral forever. They try to push their values and their rules on everyone and make us look like the ones who hate and hurt, make us feel guilty for wanting peace. It's all miss-direction.

Open your eyes and you will see the rot!

 

[Little_Suzy]

Well I'm not sure where those people are, I never met one person (in real life) who would support another who wants to die. Actually I haven't met one person who is at least neutral about it, they all are strongly against it.


In other words as long as they can use you and your death. Your suffering is their happiness.

Actually, people hate it when other people suffer, so they secretly support your desire to end your life so you can find peace.

Even if it is your deepest desire to end your life, they will not verbally support your decision because it is cruel to advise someone to do so.

This is why, in my opinion, people will abandon you if you express suicidal thoughts. People are okay with you taking your own life as long as you keep them out of it!


ETA: Once, I followed the rabbit hole of those who want to shut down this website. I never got the impression that their only goal was to prevent suicide and assist the suicidal members of this site.

Their goal is to prevent users from sharing and selling resources on this website.

It's the same as people who want to close abortion clinics but never find a solution for all the unwanted babies. People want to prosecute drug dealers while ignoring the root cause of addiction or the plight of drug addicts.

Those who support gun control as a preventative measure against school shootings, yet, fail to address the underlying factors contributing to child abuse, bullying, and mental illness among children.

People enjoy advocating for legislation, but that does not mean they want to directly assist the victims.

It is acceptable to euthanize a suffering animal; however, taking the same approach with a human carries the weight of a murder charge, whereas suicide does not. A lot of people are okay with suicide as long as they don't know about it.

 

[Circles]

I only hate that they can't or choose to not understand and that they give shallow advice masked as 'help'. I wouldn't wish being suicidal on my worst enemy so in that regard I don't hold it against anyone who's pro-life that never experienced what being suicidal is like. Also the people who's been suicidal, but are better now. I am glad there are people who are able to move forward with their lives and suicide becomes a distant memory for them, but they got to acknowledge that not everyone is able to fight their demons.

 

[Chinaski]

I hate pro-lifers so much, every time l see anything from a prolifer I'm like omg stfu, you live in my head and haven't paid a penny in rent, hypocrites imo

 

[All_is_in_vanity]

I hate god the most. He's the sadistic freak who made them

 

[Proteus]

The radical pacifism in this thread is yikes. Oh , people shouldn't be judged for their voluntary and totally in their control choice to make life even harder to already vulnerable people. We should see it as nice and normal.

Bruh. This people aren't your friends, it was said to exhaustion how little most of them actually do to prevent suicide. We aren't all brothers, nor the world is all flowers.

Sorry people, but I'm with @FuneralCry on this one. Not everyone deserves of hugs and praise, you know?

 

[Oliver]

They unfortunately have this idea, that life is always worth living and that under no circumstances whatsoever would suicide ever be rational, which is very ignorant and illogical imo. I don't hate them, since most of them probably mean good by their "actions", but they are definitely uneducated on the topic imo.

 

[untothedepths]

I would hate very few people, but I do wish we were more honest about how we want to go with operating as a people. If suffering, no second chances, and "losers" are just a fact of life, then I do not see why anyone isn't allowed to make an exit. If we really do care about humanity then we should strive to take care of one another, showing nothing but love and compassion. The fact is, with how our societies are and have always been, jobs, wealth, and connections with people are not guarantees. Stable and loving childhoods are not a guarantee. I am not saying it has to be a 100% ratio either, that is impossible, but to claim that CTB is some horrific thing is not something I see actually reflected by the actions of our society. If society really cared, we would be trying harder. Instead, I feel like most people care more about presenting the idea they hold these morals true without having either the actual care or more over, the actual power to do something. I'm sure there is good intent, but good intention alone is not going to work with reality.

 

[DreamEnd]

Idk the pro life term gets thrown around way too often hard to know what it means anymore

 

[Twiceler]

This is their will to keep endure, many of them see the meaning in this process. On the other hand many of them seem serious saying they're happy and that they're not even suffering at all, especially those looking wealthy and healthy. Besides, why do I need their approval to end living, if that even matters?

 

[Arihman]

Probably yes, but there is a distinction to be made between those who are pro-life without being anti-choice when it comes to CTB, and those who are also anti-choice.

The former are still delusional, or assholes, or both, because they defend a shitty game that is pointless and can't accomplish anything truly significant, given that it's predicated on circularity: make a mess, and then clean part of it up, while finding a personalized "meaning" that is itself a solution to a problem that didn't need to exist, which often leads to passing it on to someone else who will have to do the same.

Defending a system that creates problems for the sake of solving them, while leaving many of these problems unfixed and opening the door to extreme suffering, and perpetuating it for the sake of perpetuating it, while thinking its very existence means it must be good, and clinging to unproven fables to assert that it is a profitable game, is stupid, ignorant, or delusional, or all these things together. But these people can be tolerated, for they are not necessarily assholes.

Doing all this while also insisting that people's subjective judgement on the value of living must agree with these irrational ideas, and using circular logic to "prove" that suicidal people are delusional just for disagreeing with you, and using all this to impose life on those who plainly don't want it is assholery, pure and simple, and assholery that warrants torture by some sadistic lunatic I would add.

 

[Blue Elephant]

The radical pacifism in this thread is yikes. Oh , people shouldn't be judged for their voluntary and totally in their control choice to make life even harder to already vulnerable people. We should see it as nice and normal.

Bruh. This people aren't your friends, it was said to exhaustion how little most of them actually do to prevent suicide. We aren't all brothers, nor the world is all flowers.

Sorry people, but I'm with @FuneralCry on this one. Not everyone deserves of hugs and praise, you know?

I'm with @FuneralCry and you as well.

It's baffling really, pro-lifers incite hate against us and make it difficult for us to die, therefore adding to our suffering and yet people seem to have nothing against them.