Do you love life?

[Un-]

I'm asking this because a lot of people here seem to love it.

I don't know why people love life. I can't see it. In my eyes, there's far more awfulness than there is benevolence. If we're not even talking about how humans fucked up everything (I doubt that our problems will ever be fixed), just life itself - making as many children as possible so that the chances each individual dying is slightly smaller. Having to look for food and water, while someone or something else is looking at you as their food (and water).

Not having any real free will.. Just following your biology. If you're predisposed to cancer - fuck you. Any life threatening illness, or even anything that is really inconvenient? Fuck you.

Droughts, famine, tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, diseases and viruses..

And all of this suffering and more.. For what? What beauty is there in life that.. All of this is worth it? I don't understand it.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[eldiablo666]

99% of normies or pro lifers are absolutely insane. This is the short answer

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I love life just not the one I'm living

 

[R. A.]

I can't say I wholeheartedly love everything that living entails. Even before I wanted to not be alive, the things you mention were serious problems in my eyes and bothered me, though not to the extent I spent my life working against them. I still would be very sad about the human condition - and even the cruelty of existence, at times.

However.

I do believe that we are the outliers. We are the abnormal ones. Biology is just one incarnation of creation, the universe, totality of existence, etc.; the drive to live, to want and continue to live, is the default. "Normal" is going along with this ridiculous mess of being alive exactly despite the fact that all of these wretched things happen - think about it, you don't see animals, plants, or whatever else deliberately sabotaging their own existences en masse in order to get tf out of here because it's gonna happen eventually anyway and why wait around? Life is part of the universe, death is an intrinsic part of life, and decay and decline are intrinsic to death.

The only real way out of this is to say that the totality of creation is fucked and none of it should exist at all...but how can we even conceptualize that? Stop and think about what a mindfuck the sentence/idea "I wish there wasn't anything" actually is. It's all well and good to say that but as temporal physical beings we seriously cannot even begin to grasp the concept of utter non-existence. We can imagine the absence of things - empty space, complete blackness or whatever, but there is existence there still. It's just outside our sphere of perception.

This got kinda off topic so to bookend...I think life for most is the right balance of good and shit that most humans continue genuinely wanting to live. Look at all the people who work jobs they hate because they have such a love for their family/hobby/whatever. But all our scales are calibrated differently. For many, the scales are tipped too far in the negative and we stop functioning properly, and some of us break.

 

[Drownedby]

I love life, but I broke down and ruined it for myself because of anxiety disorder, b-ed, uncontrolled envy...

cos every day I die from the realization that I did not appreciate what I had and did not take the antidepressants that the doctors prescribed for me...

 

[Un-]

This got kinda off topic so to bookend...I think life for most is the right balance of good and shit that most humans continue genuinely wanting to live. Look at all the people who work jobs they hate because they have such a love for their family/hobby/whatever.

I still don't understand.. I mean it's not your job to convince me of anything. I'm just.. I try think about why people love life, and it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't take a scientist to know that there is far more suffering in the world than there is good - hell, most religions base themselves on that fact.

And it also doesn't take a scientist to realise that to enjoy life, or when people enjoy life, they're making another person's life miserable.. Or not that nice. I don't know. It's not a bad thing to like living.

99% of normies or pro lifers are absolutely insane. This is the short answer

Why?

I love life, but I broke down and ruined it for myself because of anxiety disorder, b-ed, uncontrolled envy...

cos every day I die from the realization that I did not appreciate what I had and did not take the antidepressants that the doctors prescribed for me...

Do you think there's a way you could recover? Or are you "unfixable"?

 

[Ashu]

I _could_ have.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

My life sucks so I don't like life. When the worst thing that ever happened to me, after a long struggle already, that's when I truly appreciated just how shit life could be. I wish I never had had to learn that.

But that's just how I experience living.

The natural world, all the lifeforms aside from humans, is definitely shit, especially as far as said lifeforms are concerned.

 

[looseye]

I appreciate life but don't value it enough to call it "love".

You only live once so enjoy it, yeah sure bro, too bad the main aspect of 21st century life is socializing and comparing yourself to others 24/7. Which sucks when you're an introvert. Society doesn't tolerate introverts. Those cancerous overconfident social media addicts can talk about "inclusion", "mental health support" and "respect" all day long, still doesn't change the fact they will never learn the meaning of these words.

Life has some nice aspects to it, like video games, stand-up comedy or some good fucking food, mmmmh, but apart from that it kinda sucks. Even more so for people born into poor circumstances who will never even get to experience any of that.

[Edit: typo]

 

[chaosandquiet]

I'm asking this because a lot of people here seem to love it.

Wait...a lot of people *here* (on this site) seem to love life?? I must follow different threads...

 

[Pluto]

Society is very dysfunctional in ways that directly affect some people far more than others. Dysfunctional families and health conditions etc. again pick on select targets.

My current existence feels more like an inhumane social experiment than a valid existence so it's hard to love life itself, but with my own biases taken into account, I am not in a position to pass judgement on Andromeda, or even the guy next door.

 

[Un-]

Wait...a lot of people *here* (on this site) seem to love life?? I must follow different threads...

Yeah.. I did a pole a while back, and maybe you can find it. Over 50% of people here actually love life.. But they can't enjoy it for whatever reason.. It's only 10% of people here that want to die no matter what. I think that's terribly sad.. Even though I hate life, I think people who love it should have the right to enjoy it.

Society is very dysfunctional in ways that directly affect some people far more than others. Dysfunctional families and health conditions etc. again pick on select targets.

My current existence feels more like an inhumane social experiment than a valid existence so it's hard to love life itself, but with my own biases taken into account, I am not in a position to pass judgement on Andromeda, or even the guy next door.

I feel the same way.
Side note: I love how simple and cute your profile is, but you always write with the elegance of a middle aged science professor.

I appreciate life but don't value it enough to call it "love".

You only live once so enjoy it, yeah sure bro, too bad the main aspect of 21st century life is socializing and comparing yourself to others 24/7. Which sucks when you're an introvert. Society doesn't tolerate introverts. Those cancerous overconfident social media addicts can talk about "inclusion", "mental health support" and "respect" all day long, still doesn't change the fact they will never learn the meaning of these words.

Life has some nice aspects to it, like video games, stand-up comedy or some good fucking food, mmmmh, but apart from that it kinda sucks. Even more so for people born into poor circumstances who will never even get to experience any of that.

[Edit: typo]

I know what you mean. @KuriGohan&Kamehameha said in another thread a very long time ago, about how.. There are tools that you need to succeed in life. Like family, and love and friends.. If you don't have the minimum amount of tools, you're fucked.. You're fucked by life. You're fucked by society. It's awful.

My life sucks so I don't like life. When the worst thing that ever happened to me, after a long struggle already, that's when I truly appreciated just how shit life could be. I wish I never had had to learn that.

But that's just how I experience living.

The natural world, all the lifeforms aside from humans, is definitely shit, especially as far as said lifeforms are concerned.

It's difficult to imagine loving the thing than caused you so much pain. It's to the point where I don't even know what life is anymore.. Why is it that some people suffer horrendously constantly, and others don't? But some others have a bit of both?

It's depressing to think about.

 

[chaosandquiet]

Yeah.. I did a pole a while back, and maybe you can find it. Over 50% of people here actually love life.. But they can't enjoy it for whatever reason.. It's only 10% of people here that want to die no matter what. I think that's terribly sad.. Even though I hate life, I think people who love it should have the right to enjoy it.

Oh, so "love life" vs "enjoy life". Interesting.

 

[makethepainstop]

99% of normies or pro lifers are absolutely insane. This is the short answer

Dude you are so right! Pro lifers are either insane or retarded. They want us to keep suffering! Perhaps they are also cruel.

 

[CTB Dream]

See there thing like do game anime other thingi maybe many still no matter what all this temp distract, llno matter what hate life terrible concept what get life injury damage trauma ptsd all terrible this only me not say other , fk life nothing justify life all nonsense ,suffer why all pain why , terrible concept need erase

 

[Drownedby]

Я до сих пор не понимаю. Я просто... Я пытаюсь думать о том, почему люди любят жизнь, и для меня это не имеет смысла. Не нужно знать, чтобы знать, что в мире гораздо больше страданий, чем добра — черт возьми, большая часть религий встречается на этом факте.

И также не нужно знать, чтобы понять, что наслаждаются жизнью, или когда люди наслаждаются жизнью, они делают жизнь другого человека несчастной... Или не такой уж уж уж приятной. Я не знаю. Нет ничего плохого в том, чтобы любить жить.


Почему?


Как вы думаете, есть ли способ выздороветь? Или ты "непоправимый"?

I think not...when I was at the peak of anxiety, I was a very strong hypochondriac, I didn't eat for about 20 days and hardly slept, as I was completely absorbed in thoughts... Because of this, I have physical health problems, I have lost my lifelong occupation...

The circumstances in which I found myself leave me no choice

 

[outrider567]

I did, but since January, a resounding No

 

[purella]

I _could_ have.

 

[hellispink]

There is a lot of beautiful things in this world, some of them are big like the oceans, others are small like a hug from a lover. This is a hell full of disgrace and beauty. The question is can disgrace exist without it and viceversa. A world where I can write poetry and hear the birds and feel the sand on my feet, can't be a full hell. I am very much prone to black and white thinking. However, I can see how life difers depending on your enviroment and how you grew up. Some people love it, I do not love it . But I can see why they could love it or the small big things it offers. This world however is not for everyone, certainly it is not for me. But it can be for others, only if they were choose that, only if they were good individuals. The world itself is a work of art, what makes it disgusting is the people that live in it that make it so miserable. Fortunate those who can still live though. I myself cannot. I wish everyone respected that. But again, most humans do not know basic respect and they try to obligate you to stay, which is pathetic.

 

[FuneralCry]

The thought of someone 'loving' life is disturbing. For someone to feel that way then they must be deluded as to the cruel reality of this existence. To me it's irrational to want to suffer and suffering is inevitable in life. To me, life is nothing more than a cruel mistake with all of the endless pain and suffering that exists in this world.

I personally absolutely despise life itself, the existence of life really is a horrifying thing as people are forced here without choice in a life where everything is unpredictable and determined by chance and yet it can be very difficult to leave this world behind.
If someone exists then they have the capacity to experience such extreme pain which is why it's always preferable to never be born. To die solves all problems and to die and be forgotten about really is ideal, creating life is just creating unnecessary problems and I just want nothingness and freedom from this nightmare world.

 

[Hirokami]

I acknowledge there are good things about life, though I wouldn't say I love it. Life is often synonymous with hardship, and we're somehow supposed to accept that.

 

[ForeverLonely82]

No. Never Did. The people who have friends, a loving and devoted partner with a good carrer most likely do. As they are actually "living" but then you have people like us who just exist. There is nothing to love about this literal hell.

 

[whatevs]

Garden variety Efilism, I like it.



I don't think I've ever been enthused with existing. It sort of started acceptably, then I uncovered more and more dirt both on the world I had emerged in and on myself. I'm not a hardcore efilist like Fernando Pessoa might've been, but I undertand where he was coming from when he wrote that he wanted something more monstrous than dying, he wished to had never been. A lot of the things I have been exposed make me tempted to say that I'd rather forget about them, and this is the Freudian 'death impulse' in action.

Society is very dysfunctional in ways that directly affect some people far more than others. Dysfunctional families and health conditions etc. again pick on select targets.

My current existence feels more like an inhumane social experiment than a valid existence so it's hard to love life itself, but with my own biases taken into account, I am not in a position to pass judgement on Andromeda, or even the guy next door.

Is it loneliness, Pluto? More specifically, romantic loneliness? AKA reproduction driven socioemotional impulse that can ravage a heart.

 

[rationaltake]

For so many of us on here I think it's one big "could have been". We could have loved life if our personal circumstances had been different. We've seen - we've tasted - how life can be. It's just that our own lives fall painfully short of how we want things to be. Of how we know or suspect they can be.

I've known pure joy. Rising free. Things that made my blood sing in my veins. Made my heart dance.

One of the joys of my existence was discovering another language and culture. Travelling to another continent. Chatting and visiting with people. Just being and experiencing. All those lightbulb moments and joining up the dots.

I'm so far from that person but I am still full of things I would absolutely love to do. If only there weren't certain aspects of my life I totally refuse to accept.

I fiercely want to experience so much. I still feel the glow of it. The energy of the universe pulsing through and over me.

To enjoy life we basically need to seize the moment and rejoice in being lucky for that short space of time. We also need to accept that others are suffering and not let their suffering overwhelm our own lives. Nobody can be compassionate 24/7 without going under.

I've felt the pulse of the universe. I've danced at the edge of time. I've spun like a coin flickering on and off.

And I've fallen flat.

 

[lifeORdeath]

I love life just not the one I'm living

Good way if putting it.
I love folks in my life. I hate what I have have done that could hurt them. Hate what I have done to life.

 

[On Replay]

Is the sky pink ? (Maybe sometimes)

But I don't love life , it's a mixture of I know it can be decent and I know for a fact it's a piece of shit. It's me wanting to force myself to be positive and force myself to think it's okay and that I'll be okay , but only because that's when what everyone around me puts in my head.

If I could be honest, and if I could be myself. NO, fuck life. I should've never been born. My mother should've kept her legs closed. Would've done us both a big favor. Would've saved us from a lot of trouble .

Life is a bitch and we were ALL forced into it. I'm tired , I'm tired of faking and I'm tired of pretending

 

[MidnightDream]

I don't think you can ask this in the 'suicide discussion' bit of the forum.. That should already answer your question

 

[Hollowman]

Wait...a lot of people *here* (on this site) seem to love life?? I must follow different threads...

Odd question for this place.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It's depressing to think about.

It definitely is astonishing how disproportionately life metes out hardship. But that's the way it's always beenand that awarenesa helps come to terms with it.

I didn't mean to imply there was nothing positive or pleasurable in my life; there definitely are.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Yeah.. I did a pole a while back, and maybe you can find it. Over 50% of people here actually love life.. But they can't enjoy it for whatever reason.. It's only 10% of people here that want to die no matter what. I think that's terribly sad.. Even though I hate life, I think people who love it should have the right to enjoy it.

I have searched, but cannot find it. Can you please find it and post the link?

This other poll of yours has a similar but very different theme. A majority basically said they'd prefer to live instead of CTB. That's quite different from "loving life."

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-type-of-suicidal-are-you.100875/