Discussion Do you believe you are mentally ill

[FaceOf]

I'm depressed and in pain, but I think the mentally ill people are who enjoy this pointless life.......the end is the same for everyone, so why not speed up the process? Makes sense to me.

Oh it's what I think too.. exactly the same

 

[Help_Me]

Yes, I know it and feel that every single day. Even though all doctors refuse to do their job and diagnose me properly. I start thinking this is pretty good btw, cause nobody actually knows that and I can keep myself behave like normal person without being questioned. I have some friends and gf who understand that and know about my mental illness

 

[Eren]

I am depressed and I want ctb for internal issues that I know will not change.

 

[favourite]

It's hard to say.I don't think there's something wrong with my mental hardware, like brain tumor, I just have a bunch of thought disorders preventing me from being normally functioning adult.

 

[EmoIsNotAPhase]

Yes I am

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

I'd like to believe that my suicidality comes out of rationality, by that i mean my life has been more bad than good therefore to escape more pain i could end it. But i also think that might just be me in denial. I try to rationalize everything to understand what is going on without all the emotion. Which i think makes me cold sometimes.

 

[meowcat]

On the one hand, humans (like any other animal) are "programed" by evolution to seek pleasure over pain, and survival over annihilation.
As such, suicidality must be a symptom of a malfunctioning brain, right?

On the other hand, suicide seems a perfectly rational option in some cases--not to mention desirable.

Just curious what others think.

No.We are not.

 

[Bilbobaggins]

I live with the strain of the knowledge that society will collapse. I think that makes me mentally ill. Humans can't really live without hope.

 

[KatieW]

I got spontaneous bipolar and anxiety. No preceding trauma or suffering in my life.

There is rational suicidality caused by pain and suffering.
There is irrational suicidality as a symptom of mental illness.

I have had both... irrational when manic; rational from the afflictions on my life.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I agree and I think the fields of psychology and psychiatry are both pseudosciences that have no concrete evidence other than just assertions, assumptions and subjective claims. As far as being mentally ill, I too, don't think that I am. I am also simply responding to the stimuli and my life experiences from day one until present day.

Hear, hear!

 

[Redt2go]

I agree and I think the fields of psychology and psychiatry are both pseudosciences that have no concrete evidence other than just assertions, assumptions and subjective claims. As far as being mentally ill, I too, don't think that I am. I am also simply responding to the stimuli and my life experiences from day one until present day.

ignorance

 

[Redt2go]

I acknowledge my mental illness but some of y'all sound flat earth stupid* in here. okay I'm done insulting people. I just can't help myself sometimes

 

[ShadowOfTheDay]

ignorance

You're welcome to elaborate if you want. I certainly won't judge you. I don't even know what I think, much less what other people should think.

 

[Redt2go]

You're welcome to elaborate if you want. I certainly won't judge you. I don't even know what I think, much less what other people should think.

Calling entire fields of science fake. There's plenty of evidence I just don't think the poster has been exposed to it. I don't want to tell you what you should think. That's the good thing about science it doesn't tell you what to think. It proves the truth to you ...

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I acknowledge my mental illness but some of y'all sound flat earth crazy in here. okay I'm done insulting people. I just can't help myself sometimes

To those who reply "ignorance" to claims of pseudoscience where psychiatry and much of psychology are concerned, there is a very simple and, in the sciences, universally accepted, not to mention less contentious, way to demonstrate these disciplines' authenticity: share the citations to the convergent published international evidence that "mental illness" is generally legitimately biological, including the isolated biological causal agents and the well-defined mode of physical pathology, that corroborates the biomedical model of mental illness. The same as the rest of the medical world is obliged to do to validate a claim of disease.

More, legitimate biomedical illness proponents can provide the validated physical diagnostic protocols for both defining a mental disease (how are the diseases discovered and decided upon?) and diagnosing it in patients (what are the direct, not associational, molecular tests that with high confidence and precision show the causal agents to be present?).

Finally, what are the rigorous scientific grounds justifying physical restraint, forced invasive treatment, and suspension of civil rights of individuals who consistently and coherently express a will to die while allowing other (adult) patients the dignity and autonomy to deny even treatment nearly all physicians recognize as extremely likely to prolong lifespan? To suspend an individual's civil rights ought to require a substantial, empirically evidenced, objective justification that doesn't rest merely on individuals', professionals', or a culture's normative worldview.

 

[Redt2go]

To those who reply "ignorance" to claims of pseudoscience where psychiatry and much of psychology are concerned, there is a very simple and, in the sciences, universally accepted, not to mention less contentious, way to demonstrate these disciplines' authenticity: share the citations to the convergent published international evidence that "mental illness" is generally legitimately biological, including the isolated biological causal agents and the well-defined mode of physical pathology, that corroborates the biomedical model of mental illness. The same as the rest of the medical world is obliged to do to validate a claim of disease.

More, legitimate biomedical illness proponents can provide the validated physical diagnostic protocols for both defining a mental disease (how are the diseases discovered and decided upon?) and diagnosing it in patients (what are the direct, not associational, molecular tests that with high confidence and precision show the causal agents to be present?).

Finally, what are the rigorous scientific grounds justifying physical restraint, forced invasive treatment, and suspension of civil rights of individuals who consistently and coherently express a will to die while allowing other (adult) patients the dignity and autonomy to deny even treatment nearly all physicians recognize as extremely likely to prolong lifespan? To suspend an individual's civil rights ought to require a substantial, empirically evidenced, objective justification that doesn't rest merely on individuals', professionals', or a culture's normative worldview.

Too lazy to educate you .... Didn't say shit about institutionalization .... Just said you can't just say science is psuedoscience... It's ignorant

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Calling entire fields of science fake. There's plenty of evidence I just don't think the poster has been exposed to it. I don't want to tell you what you should think. That's the good thing about science it doesn't tell you what to think. It proves the truth to you ...

What is this "plenty of evidence," please? There are several active scientists present on this site who have seriously looked at the data in support of the biomedical model underlying psychiatry's "mental illness" thesis. Internationally, more physicians, biomolecular and other scientists have for years come out publicly to reject the lack of rigor, the pervasive cultural and professional biases, the poor study designs, and the inappropriate statics permeating the kinds of research and published evidence offered in support of claims of the biological basis of (mental) disease.

There are no scientific "proofs." There are standing causal models that last until/unless refuted. The quality and precision of evidence supporting Einstein's theory of general relativity or the isolation of a particular genetic anomaly as the cause of a medical disease place these kinds of models squarely in the sphere of science while casting justifiable doubt on psychiatry's disease assertions. None of this discredits the view of mental illness as minds' responses to complex psychosocial dynamics. Nor is there any refutation of legitimately medically characterized and diagnosable neurological pathologies.

 

[Redt2go]

Could put links some good textbooks?

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Too lazy to educate you .... Didn't say shit about institutionalization .... Just said you can't just say science is psuedoscience... It's ignorant

If you're going to curse at people and call them "ignorant," then you should be prepared to offer the evidence in support of your assertions. Much of psychology and a great deal of psychiatry are pseudoscience.

 

[Redt2go]

What is this "plenty of evidence," please? There are several active scientists present on this site who have seriously looked at the data in support of the biomedical model underlying psychiatry's "mental illness" thesis. Internationally, more physicians, biomolecular and other scientists have for years come out publicly to reject the lack of rigor, the pervasive cultural and professional biases, the poor study designs, and the inappropriate statics permeating the kinds of research and published evidence offered in support of claims of the biological basis of (mental) disease.

There are no scientific "proofs." There are standing causal models that last until/unless refuted. The quality and precision of evidence supporting Einstein's theory of general relativity or the isolation of a particular genetic anomaly as the cause of a medical disease place these kinds of models squarely in the sphere of science while casting justifiable doubt on psychiatry's disease assertions. None of this discredits the view of mental illness as minds' responses to complex psychosocial dynamics. Nor is there any refutation of legitimately medically characterized and diagnosable neurological pathologies.

Why do you type so much. I don't care that much

 

[Redt2go]

Sorry I hurt your feelings. I'm too lazy to teach you science so I'll leave the thread

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Why do you type so much. I don't care that much

Are you seriously asking why someone who is on a sanctioned suicide website as one of the few sanctuaries for pro-suicide thinking types (cares) so much about whether there is hard scientific evidence in support of the thesis that not thinking as others feel is appropriate is sufficient justification, without any hard biomedical corroborative diagnosis, for being labeled so ill that unlike other patients the individual cannot refuse treatment or faces forced confinement?

And if you "don't care that much," then please reconsider impugning others as ignorant or "flat earth crazy" because they have different perspectives. Here, of all places, I'd expect all of us to be a lot, lot more cautious about labelling each other "crazy."

 

[Redt2go]

true. changed crazy to stupid

 

[Logic]

Too lazy to educate you .... Didn't say shit about institutionalization .... Just said you can't just say science is psuedoscience... It's ignorant

I would love for you to educate me on-psychiatry :)

 

[Redt2go]

I would love for you to educate me on-psychiatry :)

Nah, *too lazies to care*

 

[Redt2go]

Also please don't think I'm personally attacking you. I don't know you enough and probably still wouldn't care enough. Y'all just be saying wild shit up here sometimes and sometimes I'm too extra to ignore that mess lol

 

[ShadowOfTheDay]

What is this "plenty of evidence," please? There are several active scientists present on this site who have seriously looked at the data in support of the biomedical model underlying psychiatry's "mental illness" thesis. Internationally, more physicians, biomolecular and other scientists have for years come out publicly to reject the lack of rigor, the pervasive cultural and professional biases, the poor study designs, and the inappropriate statics permeating the kinds of research and published evidence offered in support of claims of the biological basis of (mental) disease.

There are no scientific "proofs." There are standing causal models that last until/unless refuted. The quality and precision of evidence supporting Einstein's theory of general relativity or the isolation of a particular genetic anomaly as the cause of a medical disease place these kinds of models squarely in the sphere of science while casting justifiable doubt on psychiatry's disease assertions. None of this discredits the view of mental illness as minds' responses to complex psychosocial dynamics. Nor is there any refutation of legitimately medically characterized and diagnosable neurological pathologies.

Hey, wanderer. I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I appreciate your POV, and the erudite way in which you have expressed yourself. Back to my original question, though, how are we supposed to look at suicidal behavior? Assuming the position of an outside, impartial observer (e. g. An extra-terrestrial), doesn't suicide look like a symptom of mental illness? I mean, how could killing oneself contribute to the propagation of one's genes (assuming this is the ultimate motivating force of life)?

 

[color_me_gone]

frankly fed up with life and every psychologist/psychiatrist

Yep! Those guys are still living in the dark ages.
Like the DSM manual. They develop an aberration of what a "normal" person is supposed be.
Then, anyone or anything that doesn't "fit" their definition of "normal" is called abnormal.
When in reality, they have no idea what should be considered normal and abnormal.
What what is most disconcerting is that they have no idea of how to fix anything.
They live in their own little world, and have no appreciation of your misery,
other than to tell you it will all get better if you just try.
Been there, done that.

 

[Logic]

Hey, wanderer. I don't necessarily disagree with you, and I appreciate your POV, and the erudite way in which you have expressed yourself. Back to my original question, though, how are we supposed to look at suicidal behavior? Assuming the position of an outside, impartial observer (e. g. An extra-terrestrial), doesn't suicide look like a symptom of mental illness? I mean, how could killing oneself contribute to the propagation of one's genes (assuming this is the ultimate motivating force of life)?

No. I am not aware of a single study ever done, that says suicide is always a symptom of mental illness. Our suicide policy is already based on the cult like notion life is always worth it. We do not need this to get worse. I do not need people like you telling me Blue is prettier than red, therefore I am ill.

 

[Kyrok]

I am troubled by the classification and patholigizing of atypical personalities. I feel this is driven by the pharmaceutical companies who want to diagnose in order to treat. Yet most psychopharmaceuticals barely reach statistical significance. Studies often have to be gerrymandered to reach endpoints.