do we give pro-lifers too much of a hard time???

[motel rooms]

i see a very simple solution, if they don't like it, they could leave the site and won't have to put up with it. If they want to stay put up and shut up.i say lol

A couple of members really annoy me because they keep repeating clichés & giving tired, unsolicited advice. Every once in a while they cross the line & basically call people purposely negative, lazy, selfish & immature/irresponsible (especially if they're very young).

 

[Superdeterminist]

I think presenting the issue on a black/white level might be a bit too simple.

I believe euthanasia for mental illnesses should be possible worldwide, but only when all possible treatment options (within reason) have been tried and there is no prognosis for improvement in the foreseeable future. I respect people's decision to commit suicide, but I also believe people should try other options such as treatment first. Does that make me pro-choice or pro-life?

But indeed, these terms have just been taken over from the US abortion debate. When I hear the word "pro-life", I mainly think of a religious, conservative person who opposes abortion and euthanasia but is (ironically enough) almost always in favor of the death penalty.

The term "pro-life" on this forum is generally used by people opposing this forum and are advocating to take it down. The issue with these people is they don't realize what they're doing is counter productive. If they want to prevent suicides, they should help improve the mental health system instead.

I would deem you pro-life if you think people ought be forced to try treatments before they have the right to die.

 

[checkouttime]

A couple of members really annoy me because they keep repeating clichés & giving tired, unsolicited advice. Every once in a while they cross the line & basically call people purposely negative, lazy, selfish & immature/irresponsible (especially if they're very young).

I would expect they are probably members of fixture26 or stop SS!! they do try their best poor things. It takes a special kind of idiot to join a suicide forum if you aren't exactly that, they seem to think all the members on here are easy targets. I can imagine the revenge seeking groups whinging how people cross the line, awwww poor them. they can give it but they can't take it. unlucky for them i guess! no1 is forced to join or stay on SS though.

I wouldn't let people bother you too much ( i know it may be hard for some people and seem easier than just doing that). although i understand where your coming from, i have seen some people can't ignore things, them revenge groups chose to continually bully members on here and they forced them into ctb. I mean you would really think a group that is meant to be 'pro life" wouldn't want another persons family to go through the same thing, but these people don't think like that as its all about revenge for them.

there's a good post in the thread below by a moderator on the groups who abuse and bully people

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/goodbye-ss-thank-you-all.65914/page-2 post 57



i'm sure people can decide what advice to follow after all SS has been around for a good while and many people have found the correct information and successfully ctb.

what do you mean by very young? people have to be 18yrs old to join this site, if you suspect someone of being underage i would report them myself.

 

[HopelessFight]

I would deem you pro-life if you think people ought be forced to try treatments before they have the right to die.

I don't believe in forced treatments that won't work out anyway, unless in very specific situations (for example, very psychotic people who're not in control of themselves). What I said was that I fully understand doctors will not just allow you euthanasia without you trying anything else first. Doctors should instead work with the patient, taking their death wish serious and talk about this wish without tabboo's, which usually isn't done.

This is not just my believe, it's backed up by statistics in Belgium: a lot of people requesting euthanasia for mental suffering put their request on hold by themselves. Why? Because unlike most other psychiatrists, the psychiatrists handling these requests take the death wish serious. Just being able to talk about it and knowing the option is there makes people less suicidal.

 

[bigtiredoflife]

I don't believe in forced treatments that won't work out anyway, unless in very specific situations (for example, very psychotic people who're not in control of themselves). What I said was that I fully understand doctors will not just allow you euthanasia without you trying anything else first. Doctors should instead work with the patient, taking their death wish serious and talk about this wish without tabboo's, which usually isn't done.

This is not just my believe, it's backed up by statistics in Belgium: a lot of people requesting euthanasia for mental suffering put their request on hold by themselves. Why? Because unless most other psychiatrists, the psychiatrists handling these requests take the death wish serious. Just being able to talk about it and knowing the option is there makes people less suicidal.

This. Sometimes I feel like if I knew I had a quick painless way out in my back pocket, dealing with my mental health and job could be easier because hey, if it gets really too much I can just walk out, arrange my affairs and then clock out of life. I don't necessarily WANT to die per se, but I don't want to keep living my current life, and I can't just hop jobs because there's not much out there that would either give me my current salary or even be doable with some frugality until I could self teach for a new career

 

[Superdeterminist]

What I said was that I fully understand doctors will not just allow you euthanasia without you trying anything else first.

And I oppose that.

 

[HopelessFight]

And I oppose that.

And this is a valid opinion which I respect.

There is a small group of people advocating, like you, to make euthanasia possible for all healthy adults for any reason. I believe this is science fiction and will never happen.

 

[bigtiredoflife]

And this is a valid opinion which I respect.

There is a small group of people advocating, like you, to make euthanasia possible for all healthy adults for any reason. I believe this is science fiction and will never happen.

This is something that pisses me off but I understand. I just wish society as a whole wasn't so obsessed with the idea that being alive is always better than being dead regardless of the context.

 

[archipelago]

To clarify Im not a pro-lifer, by any means.

I'd say yes and no.

Yes because I think they don't want to believe that life can get seriously awful for others, in the way that often when people tell their stories of abuse, they're simply not believed. They don't want to believe that things can get really bad, that people can be capable of seriously heinous things, so they go with the idea that it can always get better. Or that things aren't as bad as you think they are.

No because when you're in the position of life always getting worse, it is incredibly patronizing (and I say that lightly) to have people tell you that things get better. It just adds to the sense of not having dignity, not being listened to, and feeling more isolated. It's like when normal people say that normal is overrated, or that it doesn't exist. I suppose it depends one's definition of normal, but when I say it, I only mean not having major health problems, being able to support oneself and being able to contribute to society in some way. Essentially, just being included. So for people who don't experience these difficulties to say that normal is overrated, is just tiring and patronizing.

 

[checkouttime]

I actually think the revenge groups help this site, i can imagine from the outside looking in a normal person would be able to see the fake threads and people just whinging or posting stupid threads about stuff and think yeah that place looks a real threat. so hopefully long may they continue! then people can join and easily find legit info in reality in the resource section, master stroke really from them, indirectly helping the cause without even realising!! so maybe they do help after all lmfao, but not in the way they thought they could!!!

 

[Musketeer]

Nah your stretching your definition too much your definition of pro life is really just pro choice, A truely pro choice society would try and help people with struggling with suicide but respect their decision in the end the 2 closets examples on that front are Belgium and the Netherlands. If you have a right to life you inherently have a right to die because a compelled right is not a right. I reject your argument that those kinds of people are pro life they are indeed pro choice.

 

[checkouttime]

Nah your stretching your definition too much your definition of pro life is really just pro choice, A truely pro choice society would try and help people with struggling with suicide but respect their decision in the end the 2 closets examples on that front are Belgium and the Netherlands. If you have a right to life you inherently have a right to die because a compelled right is not a right. I reject your argument that those kinds of people are pro life they are indeed pro choice.

so your saying pro lifers are pro choice? even though they don't believe in choice, they believe everyone should just live and get on with it!!

as for the social media mob, they just want revenge thats all. the pro lifers don't even like them either. theres only themselves that believe in their shit which is just based on getting revenge because of their own failures and blaming their problems on anyone but themselves.

people on here do choose to help others, they choose to help them stop their suffering. also their is a recovery section, no1 ever encourages anyone and what people do with the info is entirely upto them, just as its everyones choice to join the site.

 

[Lost Magic]

I'm all for people trying to help people who want to be helped or can be, but if they try to stigmatise or force change then to hell with them.

 

[asian.neet]

To the original question written, HAHA no we don't give pro-lifers enough hardship to wake them the fuck up. The second type anyway where they have FB pages or smth.

First type, yeah I agree pro-lifers who care about QUALITY over QUANTITY of life, it's simply way too hard so I am sympathetic there