do transphobes prove NPC theory?

[NaturalBornNEET]

It's as if they existentially freak out over having the status quo definition of reality questioned because they're barely conscious themselves, their whole existence is predicated on the current model of reality and when that goes out the window so do they. If you were actually a conscious being you would know that no matter how much your perceptions, reality, understanding gets warped, transmuted, changed, evolved, you're still going to be here, conscious.

Or maybe a better word for them would be philosophical cowards? It really does make the term "transphobe" fitting, as they seem to be genuinely terrified of them on an existential level.

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

I think all bigots are like that. So many of them base their entire view of the world on these incorrect ideals, so they bend over backwards to keep their beliefs—otherwise their understanding of themselves and the universe falls apart.

Bigots are inherently mentally weak in that way, afraid to have their beliefs challenged (no matter how much they claim to "enjoy good-faith debate")

 

[Pluto]

 

[Hvergelmir]

So, thanks to your higher level of awareness it's safe to assume that people not subscribing to your world view are bigots.
You on the other hand already have an accurate understanding the world, and can safely hold on to your views without concern.

What went wrong here? What was the purpose of the thread?

To answer the opening question, NPC theory is not a theory. You're dehumanizing people, justifying it by claiming to possess superior awareness. It's the kind of behavior fascists and cults engage in. I think it's fundamentally misguided.

 

[suicidesergal]

NPC theory of solopcisn with extra steps.

 

[NaturalBornNEET]

So, thanks to your higher level of awareness it's safe to assume that people not subscribing to your world view are bigots.
You on the other hand already have an accurate understanding the world, and can safely hold on to your views without concern.

What went wrong here? What was the purpose of the thread?

To answer the opening question, NPC theory is not a theory. You're dehumanizing people, justifying it by claiming to possess superior awareness. It's the kind of behavior fascists and cults engage in. I think it's fundamentally misguided.

You're right, NPC theory is dehumanizing and I shouldn't have used it. I'll rephrase: are transphobes cognitively underdeveloped compared to their non-bigot counterparts? I say yes.

 

[suicidesergal]

You're right, NPC theory is dehumanizing and I shouldn't have used it. I'll rephrase: are transphobes cognitively underdeveloped compared to their non-bigot counterparts? I say yes.

No. They are not.

What they are is ignorant and have incorrect models of the universe in their head and they can be fixed, but first must be willing to listen.

I would know.

 

[NaturalBornNEET]

So, thanks to your higher level of awareness it's safe to assume that people not subscribing to your world view are bigots.

It is not far fetched to say different people can have different levels of awareness, and I'm quite comfortable to say, yeah, I have more awareness than people worshipping fear.

You on the other hand already have an accurate understanding the world, and can safely hold on to your views without concern.

Ik you're being a sarcastic ass, but no. I do not have a perfectly accurate understanding of the world, and I will never ever allow myself to hold any view with absolute unquestioning conviction. I'm too self aware for that.

No. They are not.

What they are is ignorant and have incorrect models of the universe in their head and they can be fixed, but first must be willing to listen.

I would know.

cognitively underdeveloped does not mean unable to change. A child is cognitively underdeveloped, certain life conditions can hamper your cognitive development. Which is why third world countries are so underdeveloped compared to first world ones, when you're stuck in survival mode you don't really care about listening, you care about surviving.

 

[Hvergelmir]

I'll rephrase: are transphobes cognitively underdeveloped compared to their non-bigot counterparts?

The issue is not in the semantics, but that your argument relies on the assumption that your cognitive abilities are superior, and that others must submit.

It amounts to little more than you stating that the opposition are too stupid to think for themselves, and that they instead ought to let you dictate what they should think and feel. It's just not a working methodology, outside of a cultlike setting.

I'd argue that most transphobia can be treated with exposure therapy - but it must be exposure, resulting in positive experiences. Taunts and provocations, is what turns feelings of fear and disgust (phobia) into anger and aggression.
I think activists often gets that wrong.

 

[aimless_]

It's as if they existentially freak out over having the status quo definition of reality questioned because they're barely conscious themselves, their whole existence is predicated on the current model of reality and when that goes out the window so do they. If you were actually a conscious being you would know that no matter how much your perceptions, reality, understanding gets warped, transmuted, changed, evolved, you're still going to be here, conscious.

Or maybe a better word for them would be philosophical cowards? It really does make the term "transphobe" fitting, as they seem to be genuinely terrified of them on an existential level.

 

[NaturalBornNEET]

The issue is not in the semantics, but that your argument relies on the assumption that your cognitive abilities are superior, and that others must submit.

A lot of this is just assumed though, and assumed so because seeing me as being a pretentious asshat is an easy way to shut down what I'm saying. I should've explained myself better. I don't think my cognitive abilities are superior, I'm just wired to not be transphobic or really anything phobic (at least willingly and proudly).

I'd argue that most transphobia can be treated with exposure therapy - but it must be exposure, resulting in positive experiences. Taunts and provocations, is what turns feelings of fear and disgust (phobia) into anger and aggression.
I think activists often gets that wrong.

I don't know if that would solve the root issue. There are so many things conservative-minded people have learnt to tolerate throughout history as they've had no choice in the matter really. E.g. homosexuality is a lot more accepted now by conservatives, gender is their new boogeyman. And even if they do learn to tolerate transgenders within time, with the way their foundational paradigm of the world works, they'll just latch onto the newest foreign thing that threatens their identity.

My claim is transphobia, any phobia, is a symptom of an immature and underdeveloped mind. It's meant to offend, people should realize how ridiculous their fear mongering is about stuff that is literally harmless.

 

[Pessimist]

It's crazy how this word gets thrown around nowadays. If you're not willing to use nonsensical neopronouns, you're suddenly a transphobic bigot.