Do pro-lifers think this helps us?

[isthisit?]

Do pro-lifers think that they can stop people from ctbing by banning the methods? Do they think suicidal people are just gonna say "well, I tried" after they ban SN and other methods.

 

[アホペンギン]

Yes, they think that after they ban all of the methods known to ctb, the suicide death rate will go down to 0. This is wrong though, obviously. All that will happen is just people trying very crazy methods and possibly very dangerous too and end up surviving and living as a vegetable.

 

[Deathisbetter]

Do pro-lifers think that they can stop people from ctbing by banning the methods? Do they think suicidal people are just gonna say "well, I tried" after they ban SN and other methods.

unfortunately yes fuck pro lifers

Do pro-lifers think that they can stop people from ctbing by banning the methods? Do they think suicidal people are just gonna say "well, I tried" after they ban SN and other methods.

what are they gonna do start fucking regulating ropes sorry you can't buy ropes to kill yourself with

 

[Shaylla1998]

I engaged in conversations with several pro lifers during my teenage years. I dared to ask deep questions about the insignificance of life and the freedom associated with suicide. However, I was disappointed to find that their responses remained superficial, offering simple answers like 'because it's bad' or 'life has much to offer.' It was obvious to me that they lacked the competence and insight to engage with the deeper meaning of my questions.

Society, with its pervasive societal norms, has created the near perfect brain fog formula to control and influence the majority of the population. It implants the idea of what is considered good or bad, often based on arbitrary standards that not everyone agrees upon. Pro lifers, in particular, tend to unquestioningly adopt society's beliefs and conform to its dictates. They lack the mental strength to critically question and form their own answers, instead relying on societal consensus.

This highlights the prevalence of societal influence and the tendency for individuals to conform rather than think independently and critically. It is unfortunate that many are unable to break free from this mental prison.

 

[SVEN]

As far as I'm concerned the original query could have ended at, "Do pro lifers think ?".

 

[FuneralCry]

All that pro-lifers ever do is just create more harm and suffering, it's truly repulsive and inhumane wanting to ban peaceful suicide methods. Existing could very easily get much more unbearable for them as well and anyway do they really want to die slow painful deaths from old age. I see it as something evil being against the permanent relief and escape from suffering in a world where there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly.

 

[chloramine]

I mean it will decrease the suicide rate. Not to 0 but there are many of us who won't or can't use some methods so restricting what methods are available means less people will die.

Personally the problem with that is that it isn't helping people. Yes some may recover if given enough time, but others will not. Forcing people to live isn't the same as helping them. I wish that energy was invested into making resources more accessible or actually supporting people. It's a bandaid "solution" that delays or prevents what they view as the worst thing without addressing the underlying causes.

 

[Worndown]

Yes. They live in a simple world. They should work on making house fires illegal. Think how many they could save!

 

[counting-out-time]

my honest opinion is that the CBt rate would never be 0% unless human life ceased to exist. thinking about it from a animal point of view including the food chain, big animals kill small animals for food. its the way the world works. but i hate it when people say that we are at the top of the food chain. we are so not! if we went swimming in shark infested waters, whats going to happen or what if your walking round the artic circle with polar bears, oh no they wont eat me will they? " here mr polar bear let me give you a belly rub"

life i guess is a dog eat dog world and while there is other forms of life in this universe, unless your invincible then your fucked! i'm just hoping one day soon a big ass meteorite the size of mars smashes down on us and then we can all be put out of our misery. sorry if im not making any sense. im drinking again.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think they realise that it will put people off if the only methods left are brutal and/ or unreliable. It won't put EVERYONE off and it will certainly force people into taking horrendous risks. But- it does work to an extent. How many longterm members are there just here- because they are basically holding out for something like Nembutal? If we all had access to Nembutal- how many of us would still be here now?

 

[h4yate]

they think that banning/restricting methods of ctb will somehow fix our mental suffering. some of us just need to rest and they wont let us - like some life support machine that you cant unplug.

 

[Kerrtu]

When I think of pro-life, and pro-lifer's, I think of George Carlin's epic takes on "the sanctity of life", etc.

It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. 'Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitoes and flies. 'Cause they're pests. Lions and tigers. 'Cause it's fun! Chickens and pigs. 'Cause we're hungry. Pheasants and quails. 'Cause it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people… 'Cause they're pests. And it's fun!


And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says "Save the tumors.". Or "I brake for advanced melanoma.". No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole fucking thing up! Made it up!


And this gem regarding anti-abortionists:

Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.


Conservatives want live babies so they can train them to be dead soldiers.

I was able to see a George Carlin set when I was 17. Midway through the set, he was summarizing a point by exclaiming "THERE IS NO FUCKING GOD!" The uptight section cleared out pretty quick, it was beautiful.

Highly recommend listening to the George Carlin Strictly Revolutionary tribute mix by Jason Robo on Youtube.

 

[Aergia]

Yes, they think that after they ban all of the methods known to ctb, the suicide death rate will go down to 0.

The suicide rate goes down to 0, so now instead of pain disappearing, the amount of suffering in the world stays the same or increases. yay for pro-lifers...

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

i mean tbf they have at the very least delayed my plans to ctb, if i could have easily accessed SN from the start i'd be long gone already. instead im stuck living this life i didnt ask for. and i know im not the only one in this situation. i wouldnt hate pro-lifers as much if their attempts to restrict our autonomy and choice were all completely unsuccessful

 

[Homo erectus]

Suicidal people take up the suffering roles of society, making other people suffer less or even giving them pleasure. If suicidal people are allowed to die, pro-lifers will be next to fill the suffering roles.

 

[SpiderLink]

Do pro-lifers think that they can stop people from ctbing by banning the methods? Do they think suicidal people are just gonna say "well, I tried" after they ban SN and other methods.

They can't ban methods, certain ones… yes. But it's impossible to ban all

 

[Sapphire]

The suicide rate won't go down significantly until they start addressing the reasons why people commit suicide in the first place and invest money in providing resources to help people with their problems and improve their quality of life. This is basic common sense.

Banning certain methods won't stop someone from killing themself if they really want to die. It's not possible to ban all methods. If someone decides that they really want to die, they don't fixate on only one method. If one method is banned, they will just pick another method. The more desperate they become, the less that they will care about how peaceful it is. If someone gets desperate enough, they will pick any method that is available to them as long as they know they will be dead.