Do any of you think that opening yourself up to talk to people against this website is a good idea?

[LunaNyx_]

Listen, I'm not yet fully sure I wanna do this but-

i'm oddly enough interested in talking to people against SaSu as a user and member of this forum. I wouldn't be going there specifically with the intent of changing anyone's mind nor can anyone change mine, but I dunno maybe it'd be an interesting experiment?

What do you all think? Do you think perception is aggresive enough nobody would have at least a semi-civil discussion?

 

[BornToFail]

no

 

[LunaNyx_]

no

I mean. I know it most definitely would end up being a bad idea... Yet for some reason that brain worm entered my mind.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

What's the point? Neither will agree with the other side, and you'll just be gaslit with platitudes by them. It's best not to engage with a group that lacks logic and decency.

 

[LunaNyx_]

What's the point? Neither will agree with the other side, and you'll just be gaslit with platitudes by them. It's best not to engage with a group that lacks logic and decency.

...That's a very good point. I just wanted secondary opinions cuz I'm naturally propense to stupid decisions.

 

[SarRy]

The principles that drive pro life people are inherently at odds with the principles of people who participate in these forums. Therefore, discussion might be seen as useless at best and bringing unwanted negative attention at worst.

 

[LunaNyx_]

The principles that drive pro life people are inherently at odds with the principles of people who participate in these forums. Therefore, discussion might be seen as useless at best and bringing unwanted negative attention at worst.

VERY true!

 

[bluem00n]

Not a good idea at all sticking your head into a lion's mouth ... you'd just end up finding yourself being quoted out of context to advance their own agenda, and also represented as a spokes-person for SS (which you're not - obviously).

 

[Unlucked]

Listen, I'm not yet fully sure I wanna do this but-

i'm oddly enough interested in talking to people against SaSu as a user and member of this forum. I wouldn't be going there specifically with the intent of changing anyone's mind nor can anyone change mine, but I dunno maybe it'd be an interesting experiment?

What do you all think? Do you think perception is aggresive enough nobody would have at least a semi-civil discussion?

If you enjoy being gaslighted with cookie cutter nonsense advice non stop be my guest I guess.

The only thing I'd ever accept from a pro lifer as valid and maybe mildly alleviating and practical is if they offered to give me a nice chunk of cash so I could buy myself out of my current shit situation.

 

[brokensea]

People rarely change deep seated beliefs because of a conversation online. It would be like every other pointless argument that goes on in the online world that never goes anywhere. People just want to push their own point of view. You have to experience a lot of things personally to change your perspective. People mostly just want to push their beliefs on others more than they want to change the way they think.

If someone pro life wanted to reach out I mean would you want them convincing you and would it have an impact? It's the same thing.

 

[Teddybear]

I think some of those "anti-SS" folks are already on this forum. While I was never a fan of just blindly cheering people on to ctb, I am scratching my head now at the multitude of posts who try to throw a monkeywrench into the worldview behind this platform.

Yes, you should be able to question a 20 year old who wants to end his life because of teenage acne. But to be against suicide on principle is to be against SancSu on principle.

I've never found it very practical to try and convince a principlist to accept a point of view different than his own.

 

[SamTam33]

I think it'd be about as successful as trying to convince someone to change their political affiliation or religious denomination.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I think it'd be about as successful as trying to convince someone to change their political affiliation or religious denomination.

I think what you described would be more likely to happen than to get a pro lifer to see things from our perspective.

 

[makethepainstop]

Listen, I'm not yet fully sure I wanna do this but-

i'm oddly enough interested in talking to people against SaSu as a user and member of this forum. I wouldn't be going there specifically with the intent of changing anyone's mind nor can anyone change mine, but I dunno maybe it'd be an interesting experiment?

What do you all think? Do you think perception is aggresive enough nobody would have at least a semi-civil discussion?

Listen, I'm not yet fully sure I wanna do this but-

i'm oddly enough interested in talking to people against SaSu as a user and member of this forum. I wouldn't be going there specifically with the intent of changing anyone's mind nor can anyone change mine, but I dunno maybe it'd be an interesting experiment?

What do you all think? Do you think perception is aggresive enough nobody would have at least a semi-civil discussion?

You really don't know a lot about those pesky pro-life do-gooders. First off, they use anything as an excuse to attack something that is harmless to them to make them feel like they are doing something good. It strokes their ego and their low self-esteem to feel like I have done a good thing. As I always say they do not feel as we do, they know NOTHING about our varieties of suffering. Naturally, these weaklings would never want to do anything that might endanger them. They prefer to attack soft targets so that they are not in harm's way. SS is a perfect choice for these nutcases, if they manage to end SS, they won't feel any repercussions, so they think. Those annoying Pollyanna types could never consider being a cop, military fighting man, or firefighter......because they are weak, and their view of the world is infantile. The world is not some gigantic nursery decorated in blue and pink, where everything is safe and warm.
This world is a damn violent and brutal place, but they need to feel good about themselves, so they in their own way pick on others like us. Yet if they faced some of us in a street fight, they would wet their skivvies in terror. I hope my friends here don't think I am a violent psychotic, but I learned early in life that I have to be as vicious and mean as they are for me to survive.
If you knew what I did for a living, you might understand a bit more. Unfortunately, I cannot ever state here what my profession is, but at times I have to be as dark as those types are.
Yes, there have been times I had to hurt a man, but I do not enjoy it. Sometimes after a successful er, ah,.. mission, I have gone home and prayed for forgiveness for God with tears in my eyes. But as I like to tell God the dude asked for it. So, when it's a case of him or me, it will always be him. I don't like to lose. Again, much love to all my buds here and much love to those who just lurk. (You lurkers should come on in, the water is just fine)!

 

[Teddybear]

You really don't know a lot about those pesky pro-life do-gooders. First off, they use anything as an excuse to attack something that is harmless to them to make them feel like they are doing something good. It strokes their ego and their low self-esteem to feel like I have done a good thing. As I always say they do not feel as we do, they know NOTHING about our varieties of suffering. Naturally, these weaklings would never want to do anything that might endanger them. They prefer to attack soft targets so that they are not in harm's way. SS is a perfect choice for these nutcases, if they manage to end SS, they won't feel any repercussions, so they think. Those annoying Pollyanna types could never consider being a cop, military fighting man, or firefighter......because they are weak, and their view of the world is infantile. The world is not some gigantic nursery decorated in blue and pink, where everything is safe and warm.
This world is a damn violent and brutal place, but they need to feel good about themselves, so they in their own way pick on others like us. Yet if they faced some of us in a street fight, they would wet their skivvies in terror. I hope my friends here don't think I am a violent psychotic, but I learned early in life that I have to be as vicious and mean as they are for me to survive.
If you knew what I did for a living, you might understand a bit more. Unfortunately, I cannot ever state here what my profession is, but at times I have to be as dark as those types are.
Yes, there have been times I had to hurt a man, but I do not enjoy it. Sometimes after a successful er, ah,.. mission, I have gone home and prayed for forgiveness for God with tears in my eyes. But as I like to tell God the dude asked for it. So, when it's a case of him or me, it will always be him. I don't like to lose. Again, much love to all my buds here and much love to those who just lurk. (You lurkers should come on in, the water is just fine)!

I do have violent psychotic tendencies but most times I only engage in self-harming behaviour. Yet there were countless occassions in my overly long live, where I got within inches of killing a guy.

On one specific occassion I got into an altracation with an alleged clan member and to this day I can't figure out how that guy survived. Because by the laws of physics he had every duty to be stone cold dead after that.

I wonder, if I did kill a guy other than myself, would all those do-gooders who insist that I have to go on living like this come rushing to my defense?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't think it's a bad idea to discuss the legalisation of assisted suicide with people- if you get the sense they are willing to debate it. However, no- I would say talking about this website implies that you are thinking about taking your own life (which you may not want people to know.) I reckon most pro-lifers will immediately start thinking about children and vulnerable people who are suddenly granted access to dangerous information. I don't think any amount of positive reasoning will then convince them that this place helps a lot of people to live.

 

[theboy]

Depends
To talk about the site as something good or bad? I mean, what do you intend?

 

[BipolarExpress]

I wouldn't waste my time, but that could just be my being a cynical grouch who's given up on most of humanity anyway. They don't seem to understand that there are wounds that can't be fixed with pills, therapy, and psych wards. They refuse to listen to people whose suffering is too big for their platitudes.

 

[Cathy Ames]

...That's a very good point. I just wanted secondary opinions cuz I'm naturally propense to stupid decisions.

I think this ^ makes it a good idea for you to talk to "someone," but I would not advise your talking to any of the folks who are against the web site. They have an agenda, and it does not include promoting the best interests of suicidal individuals. And based on the interactions of theirs that I have observed, they lack compassion. One forum user said they were doxxed by the Fixers or the Stop-SS folks. It appears that they also hastened or caused a different person to CTB.
That said, I don't know who WOULD be the best person to talk to. I hope someone else will see this and be able to advise.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I believe this to be a bad idea, it won't achieve anything and I believe that there would be no way for them to understand the point of view of suicidal people who wish to leave this world unless they somehow became suicidal themselves. These people refuse to accept suicide as being a justified and rational option to be free from the burden that is existence and they are very deluded as well. It's like they are offended by the fact that some people want to die and that for many people suicide is simply the preferable option and they would dismiss people's pro choice views as being irrational. There really is no point to interacting with people like that, they are insane to me, I mean someone must be insane to not respect the right to die and see it as preferable to force everyone to suffer against their wishes.

 

[Sad_Sack]

I don't think its a good idea. Like others have already responded, they will never get it unless they are in the same position. You can't change their minds on this at all and other than that there is nothing to be gained. You could spill hours of reasons and expressions of how you are suffering and all they will hear is crazy talk coming from someone who needs help. That would be their impression not my opinion. Its like being in another dimension speaking logically about the way things work there to someone in a different dimension who's reality works entirely different to your own..

 

[anxiousguineapig]

going to jump in here with a contrarian opinion, but I think people here tend to assume people are way more set in their opinions than they actually are. seriously, most people have never thought about suicide except for thinking it's bad. I've had multiple conversations with different friends, all of whom are the kind who I don't think can understand suicidal impulses and would never think to kill themselves, and once you get through the initial knee-jerk reaction of "suicide bad" people can actually be capable of really complex opinions. This is especially true when it's presented as a philosophical/social issue rather than a personal one; people are much more willing to accept a right to die in the abstract than accept that someone they know might ctb and will usually react emotionally in that context no matter what their beliefs are.
so, I would say do it. I think when people actually think about these issues they tend to realize how pointless and meaningless the most common pro-life arguments are. that doesn't mean they'll agree with you, but they will probably see it with more nuance and empathy (unless they're totally unreasonable) and I think that's always a good thing.

 

[Asiam]

Listen, I'm not yet fully sure I wanna do this but-

i'm oddly enough interested in talking to people against SaSu as a user and member of this forum. I wouldn't be going there specifically with the intent of changing anyone's mind nor can anyone change mine, but I dunno maybe it'd be an interesting experiment?

What do you all think? Do you think perception is aggresive enough nobody would have at least a semi-civil discussion?

If you want to try and help without offending others who are pro choice, you can ask them questions about why they feel the way they do, how their day went, etc etc and slowly and slyly get their feelings out of them so they are less predisposed to act because of a build up of unreleased negative emotions. I believe that to be the least contrarian/combative (seeming, to some) way

 

[LunaNyx_]

If you want to try and help without offending others who are pro choice, you can ask them questions about why they feel the way they do, how their day went, etc etc and slowly and slyly get their feelings out of them so they are less predisposed to act because of a build up of unreleased negative emotions. I believe that to be the least contrarian/combative (seeming, to some) way

I am pro-choice as well, buddy. I meant me talking to pro-life people.

Depends
To talk about the site as something good or bad? I mean, what do you intend?

Basically talk about the site from my POV as a autistic individual that's given up, and why it has actually helped more than harmed me.