Demonstrative suicide against mobilization

[SoDead]

I live in Russia. I am really disgusted by Putin for many years, especially for the last year, of course. Now he declares mobilization, and I am going to avoid it, whatever it takes. Not sure whether I am ready to die right now, however for the case when Putin's servants catch me and try to send me to the army by force, I consider the possibility of demonstrative suicide attempt which will force them to send me to a hospital instead before I formally become a soldier, i.e. a slave of the government with very limited rights. It is much harder to escape the army once you officially belong to it in Russia.

I have SN. Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time? What should be the dosage? May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

 

[theboy]

why do you want to cause yourself serious harm and not do ctb?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

why do you want to cause yourself serious harm and not do ctb?

He just told you. He said he's not sure he's ready to die right now, whether by HIS OWN HAND or through Putin's hand via servitude in the army. He wants to harm himself to get put into a psych hospital instead of having to serve in the army.

OP: Not sure how much to take just to injure without death. Sorry.

 

[theboy]

He just told you. He said he's not sure he's ready to die right now, whether by HIS OWN HAND or through Putin's hand via servitude in the army. He wants to harm himself to get put into a psych hospital instead of having to serve in the army.

OP: Not sure how much to take just to injure without death. Sorry.

but it's a bad idea... very bad idea to be left with those damages instead of being healthy or dying.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

but it's a bad idea... very bad idea to be left with those damages instead of being healthy or dying.

while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage

OP: Is there any way to make it into Ukraine and seek political asylum?

 

[Елена]

Hello. If a person does not die by this method, there are no or few side effects, such as irreparable harm to health. At least compared to other suicide methods. However, there have been cases of death even from small doses. The body is unique and there are no guarantees. If you do not want to die, taking SN, even in small doses, can lead to death.

 

[darkwater]

Its simple, if you take SN there is no guarantee to survive it.
Can you not cross Finish Border and get asylum?

 

[imdoneee]

Another method could maybe be «freezing to death»? Idk I thought about it myself, take enough drugs/sedate myself enought to fall asleep in the cold outdoors, maybe I wake up and maybe not. Also you can choose a location where you know you're likely to be found, don't make it obvious of course, make it seem like a coincidence. Death by hypothermia usually takes time, so you'd have more time than with a lot of other methods to be found/rescued I think.

I'd read a bit about hypothermia and potential risks etc.

 

[makethepainstop]

I live in Russia. I am really disgusted by Putin for many years, especially for the last year, of course. Now he declares mobilization, and I am going to avoid it, whatever it takes. Not sure whether I am ready to die right now, however for the case when Putin's servants catch me and try to send me to the army by force, I consider the possibility of demonstrative suicide attempt which will force them to send me to a hospital instead before I formally become a soldier, i.e. a slave of the government with very limited rights. It is much harder to escape the army once you officially belong to it in Russia.

I have SN. Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time? What should be the dosage? May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

You are in a trap it would seem. I hope you can save and prolong your life. Governments all seem to cause their own people harm. Peace and love to you.

 

[Someonewhotypes]

wouldn't this just delay the mobilization for a short while? and you can never predict if it leaves you with any long term health problems or not.
I guess the best way to avoid it would be just leaving the country if it's possible or hiding within it somewhere where they don't know you actually live at.

 

[Hollowillow]

I live in Russia. I am really disgusted by Putin for many years, especially for the last year, of course. Now he declares mobilization, and I am going to avoid it, whatever it takes. Not sure whether I am ready to die right now, however for the case when Putin's servants catch me and try to send me to the army by force, I consider the possibility of demonstrative suicide attempt which will force them to send me to a hospital instead before I formally become a soldier, i.e. a slave of the government with very limited rights. It is much harder to escape the army once you officially belong to it in Russia.

I have SN. Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time? What should be the dosage? May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

I am so very sorry that we still live in barbaric times...

This is a forum about suicide, so my first thought would be to go to the front without a bullet proof vest.

But if your goal is to live but be too handicapped to be a soldier... I forgot... I think they shoot their feet the first day?

 

[mjosjueiowl]

I live in Russia. I am really disgusted by Putin for many years, especially for the last year, of course. Now he declares mobilization, and I am going to avoid it, whatever it takes. Not sure whether I am ready to die right now, however for the case when Putin's servants catch me and try to send me to the army by force, I consider the possibility of demonstrative suicide attempt which will force them to send me to a hospital instead before I formally become a soldier, i.e. a slave of the government with very limited rights. It is much harder to escape the army once you officially belong to it in Russia.

I have SN. Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time? What should be the dosage? May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

The system doesn't care about you, so doing this to deliver a political message is pointless.
Try to save yourself and your loved ones instead of ruining your life. Russia is a very big country, probably you could leave somewhere.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time?

People already said it, but SN does not cause serious health conditions if you get help fast enough. This is one of the reason why it is such a popular method.
SN also works pretty fast. As far as I know, it will kill you faster than an average waiting time for an ambulance in most places in Russia. As someone from another post-soviet county with the same issues, c'mon, knowing Russian emergency services you'd have to drink SN right in front of a hospital for the ambulance to arrive in time, and even then there's a chance paramedics would choose to finish their coffee before they save you and you'd be dead.

May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

I absolutely hate giving out this kind of advice, but taking a lot of Paracetamol is a popular method that got a lot of teenagers severe liver and kidney damage without killing them. But please, beware that any method that can cause serious physical harm has a risk of killing you on accident. Some people survive a 15 floor fall, but others slip on ice, bump their head and die. It is not unrealistic to kill yourself via a "suicide gesture" when you didn't really mean to. I'd look into anything else before you try harming yourself.
And also you can break a limb, that wouldn't kill you, but will allow you to spend some time in a hospital. Horrible advice as well. Jesus, what a time we live in for all of this to be viable options!

Is there any way to make it into Ukraine and seek political asylum?

That's not an option, folks.

But there are other countries you can go to. Is there any way at all you can make it to the border and run anywhere at all? Which border is the closest to you?

 

[MountainMonkey]

I get so angry when I hear stories like this. The governments abusing power for involuntary military servitude, aka slavery. I wish a nato country could grant you asylum.

I can't imagine how many young people are terrified and willing to mutilate their bodies to escape war.

I really don't have any good ideas about hurting yourself enough not to be drafted. I'm a US veteran and I know that the US cannot send soldiers into battle if they are mentally unstable.
Maybe you can go that route

Much love from your Slavic sister

 

[SoDead]

SN also works pretty fast. As far as I know, it will kill you faster than an average waiting time for an ambulance in most places in Russia.

Hm, I was under impression that it is much slower than cyanide or something like that. Some medics are usually present in places where military conscription is organized in Russia.

taking a lot of Paracetamol is a popular metho

I am aware about that, however it can leave liver permanently damaged, so I do not like it. I thought about Dramamine overdose, however some symptoms seem very unpleasant.

Breaking a limb is much harder for me than swallowing some substance.

But there are other countries you can go to.

Right now my documents are not in order unfortunately. Also western sanctions made emigration much harder for Russian citizens in various ways.

The system doesn't care about you, so doing this to deliver a political message is pointless

It is not about political message. It is about forcing the system to stop conscription procedure because of medical emergency. Should I be detained in a conscription facility, this may be the only way out.

wouldn't this just delay the mobilization for a short while?

I think it will break their procedure completely. After handling my health condition they will have to send me to a mental health facility because it is a suicide.

 

[mjosjueiowl]

Can't you just flee from Russia?
Are all borders closed for you? If you want to get an official business invitation from another country, feel free to post your destination and we will try to figure out how to get you an invite.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

SN is indeed much slower than cyanide, but it will still fairly fast. Having medics around is not going to help you if they don't have any medications or reanimation equipment on hand - SN isn't like hanging, or bleeding, they will not be able to save you with nothing but their bare hands. So it is super risky.
I'm afraid any option that will look like a serious suicide attempt will have lasting very unpleasant consequences. There is simply no easy and harmless way to do what you're trying to do.
I think I saw information about crossing to Kazakhstan from Russia even if you don't have a passport. I can look into it and send you the link if you'd like.

 

[SoDead]

SN is indeed much slower than cyanide, but it will still fairly fast.

Well, I've read some reports about suicide attempts with SN. For example, here the case of a young female is described who consumed 10 g of SN, and was still alive 30 minutes later when she got to the hospital. She was saved.

Another case: 20-year-old male took 21 g of SN and was still alive when he got to emergency department one hour later. He survived too.

There is simply no easy and harmless way to do what you're trying to do.

I understand that. This plan is for the case when there is no better option. Threat of involuntary participation in war makes almost any risk acceptable.

I think I saw information about crossing to Kazakhstan from Russia even if you don't have a passport. I can look into it and send you the link if you'd like.

I know about such possibility. I doubt I can do it. It would be hard for me to adapt to illegal immigrant status, find money to live, etc. I have little energy and I am depressed for a long time.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

I understand, you are in a very difficult situation, and I can't express how sorry I am that this is the case. I just want you to understand the risks before you take them. 30 minutes is pretty much the longest time you can hope to stay alive after ingesting SN and for your situation to still be reversible. I don't think that the probability of ambulance not only arriving on a spot, but also getting you to a hospital within 30 minutes in Russia is very high, if you aren't lucky enough to be close to a hospital to begin with. If you ingest an unknown liquid and pass out, you'd be surprised, but it is very likely that your case will not be classified as critical by the ambulance operator - unless the person calling the ambulance will say that you're not breathing, but by the time you'd actually stop breathing it would probably be too late. There is a significant difference in the response time of emergency services in countries like US or Canada and post-soviet countries like Russia, so if someone from US got saved - that is still not super reassuring in your case.
So I guess the bottom line is that drinking SN is only a good idea if you're open to a significant risk of actually dying. I wish I had better options for you. This is very sad, but that's how it is.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

How about getting into the Russian military, then getting into Ukraine, and then deserting once in Ukraine?

Another method could maybe be «freezing to death»? Idk I thought about it myself, take enough drugs/sedate myself enought to fall asleep in the cold outdoors, maybe I wake up and maybe not. Also you can choose a location where you know you're likely to be found, don't make it obvious of course, make it seem like a coincidence. Death by hypothermia usually takes time, so you'd have more time than with a lot of other methods to be found/rescued I think.

I'd read a bit about hypothermia and potential risks etc.

Might lose some fingers or toes.

I am so very sorry that we still live in barbaric times...

Still? It's never going to get better. Never. There will always be conflict and war. That's what humans do.

 

[mjosjueiowl]

I live in Russia. I am really disgusted by Putin for many years, especially for the last year, of course. Now he declares mobilization, and I am going to avoid it, whatever it takes. Not sure whether I am ready to die right now, however for the case when Putin's servants catch me and try to send me to the army by force, I consider the possibility of demonstrative suicide attempt which will force them to send me to a hospital instead before I formally become a soldier, i.e. a slave of the government with very limited rights. It is much harder to escape the army once you officially belong to it in Russia.

I have SN. Do you think taking it is a good way to cause a serious health condition, while not necessarily causing death or irreversible damage if ambulance arrives in time? What should be the dosage? May be other substances or drugs are better for this purpose?

Would you tell in which city, region you live?

 

[darkwater]

Russian man sets himself on fire to protest mobilization