Help Damage

[HangMan123]

This is my first post here, so I'm sorry if I'm doing anything wrong. I've been planning to hanging myself. I have everything set up, but I'm afraid that I could get saved and be left with serious brain damage. Are there any other easily-accessible methods that won't cause damage should I fail/get interrupted, or is that just an unavoidable risk? I don't care if it's painful so long as it's somewhat-quick, if that matters. Thanks in advance.

 

[Worndown]

Can you get 30 minutes alone?

 

[HangMan123]

Can you get 30 minutes alone?

Yeah—probably. Is that how long it takes?

 

[dontwakemeup]

Can I ask why do you want to ctb? If it's personal then it's ok. Welcome to SS!

 

[Worndown]

Yes. That insures revival is not an option.

You pass out quickly.

 

[HangMan123]

Yes. That insures revival is not an option.

You pass out quickly.

Great. Thanks a lot!

 

[looking4partner]

This is my first post here, so I'm sorry if I'm doing anything wrong. I've been planning to hanging myself. I have everything set up, but I'm afraid that I could get saved and be left with serious brain damage. Are there any other easily-accessible methods that won't cause damage should I fail/get interrupted, or is that just an unavoidable risk? I don't care if it's painful so long as it's somewhat-quick, if that matters. Thanks in advance.

I am pretty sure there is no method that doesn't cause some type of damage if it fails or is interrupted.

But it depends on how early it's interrupted (possible to probably not have much damage if interrupted very early.)

And some people who are lucky may have good recovery or not lose certain important physical functions even if it takes them a long time to recover. For example, I have heard of some people who became paralyzed from brain injury being able to walk-in their own again after a few years of rehabilitation therapy even when doctors had said they would never be able to walk again. The "luck" also depends on the mistake. For example, a bullet could get stuck inside the brain. If the person survived, this would probably be a high level of brain damage. But I have also heard stories where, for example, the bullet didn't work properly once inside and so it actually didn't cause a severe amount of damage. Or it avoided all the most important parts of the brain that control functioning. Or it didn't enter deeper than skin level.

I think with hanging it could range. Sometimes the rope breaks or the person frees themself because of fight-or-flight and the person remembers everything or wakes up with no witnesses. Idk what the level of this damage would be because a lot of people are scared to go to the doctor about it afterward. But if I had to guess, probably similar to a concussion. And for example, some people have almost drowned and experienced an amount of suffocation, but been rescued. And I don't think the doctor even tests to check their brain function after an event like that happens even though it probably caused some oxygen deprivation. On the other hand, someone could be found/rescued after going into a coma. If they did wake back up, they would probably have a more intense level of damage to recover from that would take longer.

Ironically(?), many of the people who recover well are those who didn't have ideation or mental illness before the accident/incident/event. Not that some people don't develop it as a result. But it seems like some of the people who recover well are those who didn't struggle mentally to an extreme level previously. Or who were able to adapt/adjust to and accept their "new normal" and figure out satisfactory ways to accommodate themselves. Personally, it also seems like many of these people who were able to recover and/or adjust to life &:changes even if it took years had strong support systems which many of those with ideation do not have.

Another example of surprising recovery from being shot in the head is Gabrielle Giffords. She did leave her job, but I believe she works for a charity now and is able to do that. She also still has the support of her spouse. And I believe she recovered better than what any of her doctors predicted. Idk her exact level of function currently though and I'm sure salary from her career also helped with accessing better help and rehabilitation programs.

I know that there are also people with physical disabilities who do not have mental illness or ideation. Although it is more likely to have these in this population partly because of how society is set up. (And again, many of the disabled people doing well mentally have a strong support system to help them find accommodations that will work and help advocate for them and figure out new strategies with them instead of leaving it up to that person to try and find the right resources and figure out everything on their own.)

And then there are some people who have been disabled by CTB attempts (cheerleader who shot herself in heart and now uses a wheelchair, the blind woodsman, & a lady who shot her face off aiming for the chin with a handgun. I think her name is Christine.) Somehow, they say that they are now not suicidal anymore. Tbh, I don't really understand how that's possible unless it was a spontaneous thought and snap decision they later regretted and they did not experience chronic continuous ideation. Because how can you go from chronic ideation to not having it anymore? Many people are more suicidal when they realize they are still here & it didn't work. Because I have also heard of other people/survivors who didn't stop trying until they finally attempted and completed and it took 4-5 times and they attempted using different methods each time. But there's a statistic that says a previous attempt is not an indicator that someone will try again in the future and that many people don't try again after the first try. There was also a statistic, surprising to me, that a high percentage of attempters did not have any history of suicidal thoughts/ideation. But, I believe it did admit that this could be skewed because of many people not wanting to admit that (especially if they are planning to attempt) and the level of stigma that exists directed towards people expressing that. From Psychology Today:

• A new study shows that some suicides don't involve worsening ideation—or any suicidal thoughts at all.
• In the study, one in ten lifetime suicide attempters never experienced suicidal ideation.

I have also heard of people saying they have attempted 10-20 times, but are still here.

Then there are the people who became too disabled from the attempt to be able to try a second time even if they wanted to. We probably don't hear much from them because they may not be able to communicate anymore.

The luckier people are able to still communicate such as using computer keyboard or text to audio and have someone in their circle who's aware this is an option and will help them access it. And still able to express themselves somewhat so that they can have a say/influence over decisions made about them. However, because of ableism, most people still don't listen to disabled people's boundaries & requests. And want to do what is easiest for me themself instead of what helps make things easier for the disabled person. They also blame the disabled person for miscommunication and not being assertive/expressing their needs enough. Even when the disabled person has expressed it 5 times each to 50 different people who don't pay enough attention to remember or document it. And even if the disabled person makes literal posters describing their needs taped to their door for other people to see. Most people will complain about how accommodating the disabled person's needs inconvenience them and create more work. Even though the disabled person is inconvenienced by their disabilities thousands of times each day and has to spend literal hours planning out around all the accomodations & preparation & transportation & figuring out accessibility & recovery they will need for a single event just to be able to do something fun. (And often, the accomodations will not be as helpful or accommodating as they're told they will be over the phone when they call ahead of time to plan everything out and talk to people giving information about accessibility help which causes additional problems to happen at the last minute which they must solve.)

Some people are also able to communicate with an accomodation device, but no one provided them with one. I am pretty sure I read about people who didn't have AAC for years and were unable to communicate because of this even though they would have been able to if someone had helped them get one earlier.

Another example is that there was a man who fell from a height that was much higher than the lethal level. (Not an attempt, during a job performed at dangerous heights). And I believe he survived that fall and also was not physically disabled from it. They basically interviewed him about being a miracle situation.

Chance & luck are always a factor in everything. And those are unpredictable. So, there is a range of possibilities and none of them are guaranteed. What is that quote popularized by Mark Twain?

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

From a website: Twain knew that mathematically accurate numbers could give false impressions

 

[HangMan123]

I am pretty sure there is no method that doesn't cause some type of damage if it fails or is interrupted.

But it depends on how early it's interrupted (possible to probably not have much damage if interrupted very early.)

And some people who are lucky may have good recovery or not lose certain important physical functions even if it takes them a long time to recover. For example, I have heard of some people who became paralyzed from brain injury being able to walk-in their own again after a few years of rehabilitation therapy even when doctors had said they would never be able to walk again. The "luck" also depends on the mistake. For example, a bullet could get stuck inside the brain. If the person survived, this would probably be a high level of brain damage. But I have also heard stories where, for example, the bullet didn't work properly once inside and so it actually didn't cause a severe amount of damage. Or it avoided all the most important parts of the brain that control functioning. Or it didn't enter deeper than skin level.

I think with hanging it could range. Sometimes the rope breaks or the person frees themself because of fight-or-flight and the person remembers everything or wakes up with no witnesses. Idk what the level of this damage would be because a lot of people are scared to go to the doctor about it afterward. But if I had to guess, probably similar to a concussion. And for example, some people have almost drowned and experienced an amount of suffocation, but been rescued. And I don't think the doctor even tests to check their brain function after an event like that happens even though it probably caused some oxygen deprivation. On the other hand, someone could be found/rescued after going into a coma. If they did wake back up, they would probably have a more intense level of damage to recover from that would take longer.

Ironically(?), many of the people who recover well are those who didn't have ideation or mental illness before the accident/incident/event. Not that some people don't develop it as a result. But it seems like some of the people who recover well are those who didn't struggle mentally to an extreme level previously. Or who were able to adapt/adjust to and accept their "new normal" and figure out satisfactory ways to accommodate themselves. Personally, it also seems like many of these people who were able to recover and/or adjust to life &:changes even if it took years had strong support systems which many of those with ideation do not have.

Another example of surprising recovery from being shot in the head is Gabrielle Giffords. She did leave her job, but I believe she works for a charity now and is able to do that. She also still has the support of her spouse. And I believe she recovered better than what any of her doctors predicted. Idk her exact level of function currently though and I'm sure salary from her career also helped with accessing better help and rehabilitation programs.

I know that there are also people with physical disabilities who do not have mental illness or ideation. Although it is more likely to have these in this population partly because of how society is set up. (And again, many of the disabled people doing well mentally have a strong support system to help them find accommodations that will work and help advocate for them and figure out new strategies with them instead of leaving it up to that person to try and find the right resources and figure out everything on their own.)

And then there are some people who have been disabled by CTB attempts (cheerleader who shot herself in heart and now uses a wheelchair, the blind woodsman, & a lady who shot her face off aiming for the chin with a handgun. I think her name is Christine.) Somehow, they say that they are now not suicidal anymore. Tbh, I don't really understand how that's possible unless it was a spontaneous thought and snap decision they later regretted and they did not experience chronic continuous ideation. Because how can you go from chronic ideation to not having it anymore? Many people are more suicidal when they realize they are still here & it didn't work. Because I have also heard of other people/survivors who didn't stop trying until they finally attempted and completed and it took 4-5 times and they attempted using different methods each time. But there's a statistic that says a previous attempt is not an indicator that someone will try again in the future and that many people don't try again after the first try. There was also a statistic, surprising to me, that a high percentage of attempters did not have any history of suicidal thoughts/ideation. But, I believe it did admit that this could be skewed because of many people not wanting to admit that (especially if they are planning to attempt) and the level of stigma that exists directed towards people expressing that. From Psychology Today:

• A new study shows that some suicides don't involve worsening ideation—or any suicidal thoughts at all.
• In the study, one in ten lifetime suicide attempters never experienced suicidal ideation.

I have also heard of people saying they have attempted 10-20 times, but are still here.

Then there are the people who became too disabled from the attempt to be able to try a second time even if they wanted to. We probably don't hear much from them because they may not be able to communicate anymore.

The luckier people are able to still communicate such as using computer keyboard or text to audio and have someone in their circle who's aware this is an option and will help them access it. And still able to express themselves somewhat so that they can have a say/influence over decisions made about them. However, because of ableism, most people still don't listen to disabled people's boundaries & requests. And want to do what is easiest for me themself instead of what helps make things easier for the disabled person. They also blame the disabled person for miscommunication and not being assertive/expressing their needs enough. Even when the disabled person has expressed it 5 times each to 50 different people who don't pay enough attention to remember or document it. And even if the disabled person makes literal posters describing their needs taped to their door for other people to see. Most people will complain about how accommodating the disabled person's needs inconvenience them and create more work. Even though the disabled person is inconvenienced by their disabilities thousands of times each day and has to spend literal hours planning out around all the accomodations & preparation & transportation & figuring out accessibility & recovery they will need for a single event just to be able to do something fun. (And often, the accomodations will not be as helpful or accommodating as they're told they will be over the phone when they call ahead of time to plan everything out and talk to people giving information about accessibility help which causes additional problems to happen at the last minute which they must solve.)

Some people are also able to communicate with an accomodation device, but no one provided them with one. I am pretty sure I read about people who didn't have AAC for years and were unable to communicate because of this even though they would have been able to if someone had helped them get one earlier.

Another example is that there was a man who fell from a height that was much higher than the lethal level. (Not an attempt, during a job performed at dangerous heights). And I believe he survived that fall and also was not physically disabled from it. They basically interviewed him about being a miracle situation.

Chance & luck are always a factor in everything. And those are unpredictable. So, there is a range of possibilities and none of them are guaranteed. What is that quote popularized by Mark Twain?

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

From a website: Twain knew that mathematically accurate numbers could give false impressions

I can't believe you took so much time to write me such a great response! I'm so thankful! It was super interesting and I learned a lot of new things. Thank you so so much!!