CTB with Inner Gas tomorrow.

[sepetuk4s]

Been posting actively last couple days...Was trying to collect all needed information for not to FAIL.
Have no doubt anymore , time is sensitive for me...Already dragged it as much as possible , but tomorrow morning i will leave and won't come back.


Was trying to get Nitrogen or Helium , my tries were unsuccessful . Pure Gas can be sold from welding stores , however they request application and deliver only to businesses ...
So i came up with easy solution : Propane + Exit bag. Since propane is easy to get...

I rented a car for safety measures. Will leave tomorrow and will go to a place where there is no living soul that i could hurt in case of something go wrong.

My doubt right now only the smell...That it could trigger me ..Was thinking if nasal blocker would work..?If i would inhale and exhale through the mouth only...? Would that work...?


Wish me luck.I decided... Just collecting final information before CTB.

All advices would be highly appreciated it.

 

[Noctis]

I'm not sure if propane will work for the exit bag method, but make sure the car is completely off and no electronics or lights are still on. That much propane in an enclosed car worries me; it seems like a great way to make a huge fireball that will draw a crowd.

 

[sepetuk4s]

I'm not sure if propane will work for the exit bag method, but make sure the car is completely off and no electronics or lights are still on. That much propane in an enclosed car worries me; it seems like a great way to make a huge fireball that will draw a crowd.

Found couple articles stating it should work same way as other inner gas.The only problem is smell.

Should i keep any window open little bit ...?Since i'm using exit bag...? That gas would get out eventually after i'm gone..? I would make sure to go somewhere where i would be completely alone couple miles radius.

In order to this article... It should work...
Would really appreciate any advice or comments on this.
Don't want to FAIL somehow.

 

[Bone]

Interesting. I hadn't read about this before but logically it should work, based on the article. I would think it'd be more popular if it were a good method, though.

I also would think the risk of brain damage could be high as well as a fire risk as the earlier poster said. I understand desperation though. Please be careful.

 

[sepetuk4s]

Interesting. I hadn't read about this before but logically it should work, based on the article. I would think it'd be more popular if it were a good method, though.

I also would think the risk of brain damage could be high as well as a fire risk as the earlier poster said. I understand desperation though. Please be careful.

Would really appreciate any comments / Help on this . Replying just to pop this to the top.
Thank you.

 

[Noctis]

Would really appreciate any comments / Help on this . Replying just to pop this to the top.
Thank you.

Well, according to the article it could definitely work.

What worries me is the ethyl mercaptan they add. It won't affect you, but I hate the smell; it would be very difficult for me to breathe it in long enough to pass out.

Also, there's no backing out of this one. If you don't do it right or you run out of propane before asphyxiation, that article lists lots and lots of side effects that don't sound fun.

Just make sure your setup is solid (no leaks, the bag not too tight or too loose), don't have any fire or electronics near you, and it sounds like it'll work fine.

 

[Bone]

lots and lots of side effects

"Brain swelling" sounds terrible.

 

[sepetuk4s]

Well, according to the article it could definitely work.

What worries me is the ethyl mercaptan they add. It won't affect you, but I hate the smell; it would be very difficult for me to breathe it in long enough to pass out.

Also, there's no backing out of this one. If you don't do it right or you run out of propane before asphyxiation, that article lists lots and lots of side effects that don't sound fun.

Just make sure your setup is solid (no leaks, the bag not too tight or too loose), don't have any fire or electronics near you, and it sounds like it'll work fine.

What about if i block my Nose..? And breathe only through the mouth..? I couldn't feel the smell then..Would that help...? Would it work...?

 

[Ta555]

What about if i block my Nose..? And breathe only through the mouth..? I couldn't feel the smell then..Would that help...? Would it work...?

We don't know. Depends how strong and sensitive your sense of smell is.

 

[sepetuk4s]

We don't know. Depends how strong and sensitive your sense of smell is.

Another Dilemma , since Propane is Heavier than Oxygen.... Does that mean it won't puss oxygen out...? And will sit on the bottom of the bag...? While Oxygen will stay in the top of the bag...?

 

[Bone]

I think the main thing people are saying is that what you're trying to do is largely untested. If you do go through with it and are fully committed, you just take all the proper precautions and be as safe and careful as you can be, and at some point you let the chips fall where they may. Even SN or N or any method really has that element of "letting go"...unfortunately, there are numerous risks with this, as with all methods. I personally would feel uncomfortable trying something without at least a few anecdotes from users here with some experience, especially with the side effects/long-term damage that could be possible with this method.

Another Dilemma , since Propane is Heavier than Oxygen.... Does that mean it won't puss oxygen out...? And will sit on the bottom of the bag...? While Oxygen will stay in the top of the bag...?

Isn't the idea with the bag that you breathe in all the oxygen and it's replaced with the propane? I only have read about these methods a bit though, someone with more knowledge could add more to the discussion.

 

[sepetuk4s]

I think the main thing people are saying is that what you're trying to do is largely untested. If you do go through with it and are fully committed, you just take all the proper precautions and be as safe and careful as you can be, and at some point you let the chips fall where they may. Even SN or N or any method really has that element of "letting go"...unfortunately, there are numerous risks with this, as with all methods. I personally would feel uncomfortable trying something without at least a few anecdotes from users here with some experience, especially with the side effects/long-term damage that could be possible with this method.



Isn't the idea with the bag that you breathe in all the oxygen and it's replaced with the propane? I only have read about these methods a bit though, someone with more knowledge could add more to the discussion.

I understand , however i can not get any other gas...And i'm out of time...And i don't want to blow my brains out with firearm...Also Afraid of Hanging or other ways hurting myself.So this options seems the only one at the moment...Is Propane Toxic? I didn't think so , like any other gas. I would think the only danger different than Helium or Nitrogen is flammability.
Do you have any idea how long Regular Propane Tank LAST with open flow lets say at 20 PSI ? Approx...?

 

[Ta555]

I think the main thing people are saying is that what you're trying to do is largely untested. If you do go through with it and are fully committed, you just take all the proper precautions and be as safe and careful as you can be, and at some point you let the chips fall where they may. Even SN or N or any method really has that element of "letting go"...unfortunately, there are numerous risks with this, as with all methods. I personally would feel uncomfortable trying something without at least a few anecdotes from users here with some experience, especially with the side effects/long-term damage that could be possible with this method.



Isn't the idea with the bag that you breathe in all the oxygen and it's replaced with the propane? I only have read about these methods a bit though, someone with more knowledge could add more to the discussion.

You don't breathe in any oxygen. You prefill the bag and put it on so that you're in an oxygen deprived environment. You breathe and instead of breathing oxygen you breathe whatever gas you have used. With nitrogen it feels just like breathing in normal air

 

[Bone]

Thanks-you're teaching me a lot here. Wonder what it'd "feel like" inhaling propane, then? Can't imagine it'd feel quite like Nitrogen...

 

[sepetuk4s]

Thanks-you're teaching me a lot here. Wonder what it'd "feel like" inhaling propane, then? Can't imagine it'd feel quite like Nitrogen...

It should at least..Gas itself is odorless , but they added some smell for you to notice at home when there is a leak for example..Rotten Eggs smell..So thats the thing that should disturb you...

You don't breathe in any oxygen. You prefill the bag and put it on so that you're in an oxygen deprived environment. You breathe and instead of breathing oxygen you breathe whatever gas you have used. With nitrogen it feels just like breathing in normal air

So the weight of gas shouldn't matter ? It should be some air in the bag at the beginning anyway no ? So filling it with the gas..It should push the oxygen out..Leaving only the gas...My qiestion (since i have no idea) , since Propane is heavier than Air.. Would it still push oxygen out off the bag to fill it only with GAS?

 

[Noctis]

So the weight of gas shouldn't matter ? It should be some air in the bag at the beginning anyway no ? So filling it with the gas..It should push the oxygen out..Leaving only the gas...My qiestion (since i have no idea) , since Propane is heavier than Air.. Would it still push oxygen out off the bag to fill it only with GAS?

Well, yes and no. Normally, with the inert gas method, the oxygen and CO2 you exhale is heavier than the gas, so it floats down and out the bag.

But just because propane is heavier than most gas doesn't mean this won't work. You might have to crank the propane up higher than you would nitrogen, and just displace all the other gas by an overwhelming volume.

Like @Bone said, this is largely untested. I know a little bit of chemistry and biology enough to understand the article you linked, but I can't answer many "what if..." questions.

The only real issue I can see is you may need a lot more propane than you would if you were using nitrogen (I can't even begin to guess numbers), and it may take you longer to lose consciousness. Also, it sounds like you'll get high before you pass out. The article listed some good high feelings and some not great high feelings, but I can't tell you how you'll react or to minimize the bad feelings.

 

[sepetuk4s]

Well, yes and no. Normally, with the inert gas method, the oxygen and CO2 you exhale is heavier than the gas, so it floats down and out the bag.

But just because propane is heavier than most gas doesn't mean this won't work. You might have to crank the propane up higher than you would nitrogen, and just displace all the other gas by an overwhelming volume.

Like @Bone said, this is largely untested. I know a little bit of chemistry and biology enough to understand the article you linked, but I can't answer many "what if..." questions.

The only real issue I can see is you may need a lot more propane than you would if you were using nitrogen (I can't even begin to guess numbers), and it may take you longer to lose consciousness. Also, it sounds like you'll get high before you pass out. The article listed some good high feelings and some not great high feelings, but I can't tell you how you'll react or to minimize the bad feelings.

Would you have any idea of how long 20 LBS PROPANE TANK last with 20 PSI Pressure? Approx..?

 

[Noctis]

Would you have any idea of how long 20 LBS PROPANE TANK last with 20 PSI Pressure? Approx..?

Wait, the tank is at 20 psi? That tank is basically empty; I would fill it up.

Did you mean 20 liters per minute for the flow? A full tank at 20 lpm should last around ten hours, which will be more than enough to do the job.

 

[sepetuk4s]

Wait, the tank is at 20 psi? That tank is basically empty; I would fill it up.

Did you mean 20 liters per minute for the flow? A full tank at 20 lpm should last around ten hours, which will be more than enough to do the job.

Yes , i will make sure i have full tank. With normal pressure that would take long enough right ..?

 

[Of The Universe]

Many months ago I investigated using nitrogen or helium,that type of thing. It was very complicated!! When I found SS I gave up that stuff. Point? You have to research this very thoroughly and take your time! Don't ctb on impulse,at least that's my OPINION! Do what's best for you,but I would research this shit more!

 

[sepetuk4s]

Many months ago I investigated using nitrogen or helium,that type of thing. It was very complicated!! When I found SS I gave up that stuff. Point? You have to research this very thoroughly and take your time! Don't ctb on impulse,at least that's my OPINION! Do what's best for you,but I would research this shit more!

Its not on impulse , i have no other choice , and my case is time sensitive . I don't want to elaborate …

Long story short - i need to CTB. All other harmless ways require a lot of preparation and time which i don't have.

This seems effective and easy to get .


I have a car rented , and exit bag with propane ready for tomorrow night.


Not sure if i have guts for it , but ill try.

So i'm here taking all advices to have least chance of failure.


What you think could go wrong..? Why open the gas - fill the bag with it , shouldn't do the trick…?

 

[Noctis]

Yes , i will make sure i have full tank. With normal pressure that would take long enough right ..?

It takes ten hours to empty a tank on a big grill, so I figured it would be about the same amount of time. But even if I'm very wrong and it only lasts one hour, that's enough time.

What you think could go wrong..? Why open the gas - fill the bag with it , shouldn't do the trick…?

It's not that you just breathe in the propane and die. It's that you breathe so much propane that you aren't getting oxygen. You won't just fill the bag and go. You'll fill the bag, wrap it over your head, and breathe deeply. Once your body recognizes the oxygen deprivation, you'll lose consciousness so you use as little oxygen as possible. It's important the bag is secured on your head because if it falls off (or if you unconsciously rip it off) you'll wake up once you get enough oxygen, and this method has some pretty harsh effects for inhaling that much propane.

But, if the bag stays on and the gas keeps flowing, you'll die of oxygen deprivation.

 

[Ta555]

Many months ago I investigated using nitrogen or helium,that type of thing. It was very complicated!! When I found SS I gave up that stuff. Point? You have to research this very thoroughly and take your time! Don't ctb on impulse,at least that's my OPINION! Do what's best for you,but I would research this shit more!

You do have to research very thoroughly but in all honesty it's not that complicated especially if you get a regulator that has litres per minute on it.

 

[sepetuk4s]

It takes ten hours to empty a tank on a big grill, so I figured it would be about the same amount of time. But even if I'm very wrong and it only lasts one hour, that's enough time.


It's not that you just breathe in the propane and die. It's that you breathe so much propane that you aren't getting oxygen. You won't just fill the bag and go. You'll fill the bag, wrap it over your head, and breathe deeply. Once your body recognizes the oxygen deprivation, you'll lose consciousness so you use as little oxygen as possible. It's important the bag is secured on your head because if it falls off (or if you unconsciously rip it off) you'll wake up once you get enough oxygen, and this method has some pretty harsh effects for inhaling that much propane.

But, if the bag stays on and the gas keeps flowing, you'll die of oxygen deprivation.

Is it possible unconsciously rip it off ..? Does that happen a lot ..? Now you scared me. As much as i looked it up , propane itself isn't toxic to your body , same as any other inner gas ( fix me if i'm wrong ) . So i mean if my brains stays without an oxygen for some time … And then something goes wrong , it shouldnt matter is it propane or other inner gas ..? Isn't? What makes it more dangerous besides flammability ..?

 

[Noctis]

Is it possible unconsciously rip it off ..? Does that happen a lot ..? Now you scared me. As much as i looked it up , propane itself isn't toxic to your body , same as any other inner gas ( fix me if i'm wrong ) . So i mean if my brains stays without an oxygen for some time … And then something goes wrong , it shouldnt matter is it propane or other inner gas ..? Isn't? What makes it more dangerous besides flammability ..?

I don't actually know what's possible and what's not. I know I've heard stories of people ripping bags of their heads after falling unconscious, but those might have been just suffocation methods, and not inert gas. High levels of CO2 in your blood can cause a panic attack, but the suicide hood prevents that by keeping both oxygen and CO2 low, so you die without panicking like you would if you just typed a plastic bag over your head.

And that article you linked listed some pretty serious side effects from propane poisoning that aren't there if you use nitrogen or helium, but that only matters if you don't die. It does say you might get high from the propane, but just mild hallucinations or feeling high; nothing that should disrupt your attempt.

And nitrogen and helium are both inert because they don't react with anything. Propane is a hydrocarbon, and there can be some pretty serious side effects from inhaling that much of it, but developing lung cancer or brain swelling in three years means nothing it your attempt is successful and you die in less than an hour, so don't let those scare you.

The science is there and the method can work, that's not the question. But even the most researched and well-planned suicide can go wrong. This method just has some added little risks if you don't die, but if you attach the hood correctly and keep enough gas flowing, that shouldn't be a big concern. Just make sure the hood is tight enough that it won't accidentally fall off your head, the hood is made of heavy enough material that it won't rip (don't use something weak like plastic cling wrap), and make sure the gas flowing fast enough that it's the only thing you're breathing in.

 

[sepetuk4s]

I don't actually know what's possible and what's not. I know I've heard stories of people ripping bags of their heads after falling unconscious, but those might have been just suffocation methods, and not inert gas. High levels of CO2 in your blood can cause a panic attack, but the suicide hood prevents that by keeping both oxygen and CO2 low, so you die without panicking like you would if you just typed a plastic bag over your head.

And that article you linked listed some pretty serious side effects from propane poisoning that aren't there if you use nitrogen or helium, but that only matters if you don't die. It does say you might get high from the propane, but just mild hallucinations or feeling high; nothing that should disrupt your attempt.

And nitrogen and helium are both inert because they don't react with anything. Propane is a hydrocarbon, and there can be some pretty serious side effects from inhaling that much of it, but developing lung cancer or brain swelling in three years means nothing it your attempt is successful and you die in less than an hour, so don't let those scare you.

The science is there and the method can work, that's not the question. But even the most researched and well-planned suicide can go wrong. This method just has some added little risks if you don't die, but if you attach the hood correctly and keep enough gas flowing, that shouldn't be a big concern. Just make sure the hood is tight enough that it won't accidentally fall off your head, the hood is made of heavy enough material that it won't rip (don't use something weak like plastic cling wrap), and make sure the gas flowing fast enough that it's the only thing you're breathing in.

I'll try today. Will have one last stop today at some welding store ..Try to get Nitrogen..If it won't work...Propane is in my trunk already.
Will see....

 

[sepetuk4s]

I don't actually know what's possible and what's not. I know I've heard stories of people ripping bags of their heads after falling unconscious, but those might have been just suffocation methods, and not inert gas. High levels of CO2 in your blood can cause a panic attack, but the suicide hood prevents that by keeping both oxygen and CO2 low, so you die without panicking like you would if you just typed a plastic bag over your head.

And that article you linked listed some pretty serious side effects from propane poisoning that aren't there if you use nitrogen or helium, but that only matters if you don't die. It does say you might get high from the propane, but just mild hallucinations or feeling high; nothing that should disrupt your attempt.

And nitrogen and helium are both inert because they don't react with anything. Propane is a hydrocarbon, and there can be some pretty serious side effects from inhaling that much of it, but developing lung cancer or brain swelling in three years means nothing it your attempt is successful and you die in less than an hour, so don't let those scare you.

The science is there and the method can work, that's not the question. But even the most researched and well-planned suicide can go wrong. This method just has some added little risks if you don't die, but if you attach the hood correctly and keep enough gas flowing, that shouldn't be a big concern. Just make sure the hood is tight enough that it won't accidentally fall off your head, the hood is made of heavy enough material that it won't rip (don't use something weak like plastic cling wrap), and make sure the gas flowing fast enough that it's the only thing you're breathing in.

Sorry to bother you again.
If Nitrogen is used...And my regulator does not have liters per minute..Only has PSI levels...So my question is ...What it would have to be set at...? To achieve approx. 15l/minute flow using nitrogen..?

 

[Noctis]

I'll try today. Will have one last stop today at some welding store ..Try to get Nitrogen..If it won't work...Propane is in my trunk already.
Will see....

If they ask what the purpose is, tell them you homebrew beer. In my experience, they ask a lot more questions if you say you need it for welding than if you say it's for making beer.

Sorry to bother you again.
If Nitrogen is used...And my regulator does not have liters per minute..Only has PSI levels...So my question is ...What it would have to be set at...? To achieve approx. 15l/minute flow using nitrogen..?

I have no idea. I can't find a simple conversion rate, and I don't understand the complex conversion rates. Sorry, I can't help with this one.