Method CTB with inert gases

[PointlessDebate]

Hi everyone, I know that I am not the first one to open this topic, but if I wanted ton CTB with let's say, helium or nitrogen, am I forced to buy a shit-ton quantity of these ? I mean, I read here that I would need regulators, and the right amount of stuff and all... Can't I just put a plastic bag on my head, link the gas bottle and the bag with a pipe or whatever, and wait ? I saw that I would lose consciousness in a matter of seconds, the bag filled with my CO2 and the inert gas can't do the rest ? I'm not really rich, but it seems like the best way to go.
Sorry for my bad english, i'm french (which is a really good reason to want this), and thanks for your answers.

 

[zentiiicharcoal]

I'm pretty sure you can do this as you asked, if there is a steady supply to the bag, it should get it done. If i had the gas bottle you have i would have done this, but i cannot aquire that in a soon enough time frame

 

[locked*n*loaded]

There is too much pressure in a tank. It has to be regulated. The CO2 you exhale must be allowed to escape from the bag, or you'll trigger the hypercapnic response.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-method.183680/#post-2720019

i'm french (which is a really good reason to want this)

Why? What's wrong with being French? I could say the same thing about being American lol.

 

[PointlessDebate]

I'm pretty sure you can do this as you asked, if there is a steady supply to the bag, it should get it done. If i had the gas bottle you have i would have done this, but i cannot aquire that in a soon enough time frame

Nobody seems to agree with one another - while continuing my researchs, I found someone who said that the regulator is mandatory to regulate the pressure, which I understand. But it also seems that the CO2 MUST be out of the bag for the process, which I don't understand, because if the helium or whatever makes me lose consciousness within 1 minute, why would the CO2 bother me ? I don't care if i'm twitching or gasping for air as long as I can't feel it.

Why? What's wrong with being French? I could say the same thing about being American lol.

Ahahah, well it's a sort of a running-gag between me and a friend, mostly because we hate our government - but I must confess that I still prefer being french than american, sorry ahah

 

[NegevChina]

Nobody seems to agree with one another - while continuing my researchs, I found someone who said that the regulator is mandatory to regulate the pressure, which I understand. But it also seems that the CO2 MUST be out of the bag for the process, which I don't understand, because if the helium or whatever makes me lose consciousness within 1 minute, why would the CO2 bother me ? I don't care if i'm twitching or gasping for air as long as I can't feel it.

With no regulator the gas pressure will blow of the bag. Same if there is no way for the gas to get out of the bag once its full, it will blow up. If you stop filling the bag and flushing out the CO2, there is no guarantee that once you lose consciousness and start involuntary panic movement due to CO2 inhaling, you wont tear off the bag. One more thing to consider is that when you exhale your first breaths in the bag, you still release oxygen to the bag making it a longer time to pass out.

 

[Intoxicated]

But it also seems that the CO2 MUST be out of the bag for the process

I haven't seen any proof that removing CO2 from the bag is mandatory.

because if the helium or whatever makes me lose consciousness within 1 minute, why would the CO2 bother me ?

This question has been raised many times here, and so far I haven't seen any references to real researches that would confirm negative influence of CO2 on unconscious people. Scary speculations about "involuntary panic movements" are no more than guesses.

For those who are worried about "tearing the bag off", assuming that we are speaking of a properly sealed (e.g. with 10 rounds of PVC electrical tape) bag of a decent strength, I could advise to carry out an experiment, trying to break airtightness of such a construct on purpose, being fully conscious. And I would really love to witness how someone would do this being in a nearly comatose state ))

If you use nitrous oxide (which is widely available in small cartridges for making whipped cream) instead of plain inert gases, your sensitivity to CO2 will probably be reduced even before losing consciousness
https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2025/02/221151_Death_from_Nitrous_Oxide.pdf
https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2025/02/221152_nitrous_oxide_reduces_dyspnoea.pdf).

Breathing a mixture of 95% nitrogen and 5% oxygen for two minutes is likely sufficient to induce unconsciousness that is deep enough for extracting teeth without experiencing pain (in experiments of F. Hewitt, general anesthesia in patients who breathed such a mixture was achieved in 75 - 95 seconds, see https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2024/12/215946_N2O_-_BRITISH_JOURNAL_OF_ANAESTHESIA.pdf page 956).

 

[heyismeman]

It's more complicated but I was going to do this a 3 way solenoid valve which is set to a timer, take a huge benzo dose, and when unconscious being the system is timed it would close of oxygen the release nitrogen gas instead.

It's more complicated but I was going to do this a 3 way solenoid valve which is set to a timer, take a huge benzo dose, and when unconscious being the system is timed it would close of oxygen the release nitrogen gas instead.

And I would use a scuba mask, nothing too expensive but not a bag personally

 

[outrider567]

Nobody seems to agree with one another - while continuing my researchs, I found someone who said that the regulator is mandatory to regulate the pressure, which I understand. But it also seems that the CO2 MUST be out of the bag for the process, which I don't understand, because if the helium or whatever makes me lose consciousness within 1 minute, why would the CO2 bother me ? I don't care if i'm twitching or gasping for air as long as I can't feel it.

Ahahah, well it's a sort of a running-gag between me and a friend, mostly because we hate our government - but I must confess that I still prefer being french than american, sorry ahah

That's understandable, after all, the French have contributed much to the world, the Guillotine and Devil's Island, the Algerian Civil War, and the great French African Empire, where 22 African countries were invaded....However, I will admit that Napoleon was a genuine military genius

I haven't seen any proof that removing CO2 from the bag is mandatory.

This question has been raised many times here, and so far I haven't seen any references to real researches that would confirm negative influence of CO2 on unconscious people. Scary speculations about "involuntary panic movements" are no more than guesses.

For those who are worried about "tearing the bag off", assuming that we are speaking of a properly sealed (e.g. with 10 rounds of PVC electrical tape) bag of a decent strength, I could advise to carry out an experiment, trying to break airtightness of such a construct on purpose, being fully conscious. And I would really love to witness how someone would do this being in a nearly comatose state ))

If you use nitrous oxide (which is widely available in small cartridges for making whipped cream) instead of plain inert gases, your sensitivity to CO2 will probably be reduced even before losing consciousness
https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2025/02/221151_Death_from_Nitrous_Oxide.pdf
https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2025/02/221152_nitrous_oxide_reduces_dyspnoea.pdf).

Breathing a mixture of 95% nitrogen and 5% oxygen for two minutes is likely sufficient to induce unconsciousness that is deep enough for extracting teeth without experiencing pain (in experiments of F. Hewitt, general anesthesia in patients who breathed such a mixture was achieved in 75 - 95 seconds, see https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2024/12/215946_N2O_-_BRITISH_JOURNAL_OF_ANAESTHESIA.pdf page 956).

Wow, that last paragraph, didn't know that