ctb with benzos & opioids (orally)

[Bauhaus]

Both benzos and opioids cause respiratory depression.
So I assume even if the opioid is taken orally, by adding benzos it should be lethal ?

https://coloradopaincare.com/why-mixing-opioids-and-benzodiazepines-is-so-dangerous/

"
Recent reports indicate that the risk of fatality rises significantly when combining opioids with benzodiazepines. A study in North Carolina reported that the likelihood of an overdose death was ten times higher among patients on both kinds of drugs than those only on opioids.


The key reason for this uptick in lethality is the combined effect on respiration. Separately, both drugs suppress breathing to somewhat dangerous levels, but in combination, the effect is virtually fatal in many circumstances. Also, the risk of lowered respiration is exacerbated by the sedative effects of both drugs. Many users may experience respiratory distress, but they are too sedated to seek help."

So why isn't this combination mentioned by suicide organisations ?

 

[Ricky1@@]

I always dreamed of cab with opioids but its not recommended I would think fent is lethal

 

[Somage]

Are you going to try this? if so please keep us updated best you can. My prediction is waking up with the hangover from hell.

 

[Ricky1@@]

where do u guys get opioids

 

[Somage]

Fent is lethal and very effective. Not easy to obtain though

 

[Ricky1@@]

Fent is lethal and very effective. Not easy to obtain though

what is your method I wish I could get fent

 

[Somage]

SN with meto and proplanol, tagamet and painkillers to ease the journey

 

[Bauhaus]

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I don't have SN.

Please let's get back to the topic.

 

[Ricky1@@]

I wish I could get opiods or fent

 

[Bauhaus]

Why if you have SN ?

 

[virginiawoolf]

im not sure so this is only speculation. but from my own research i observed that people who are opoid-naive - or people who aren't used to taking opiates - tend to become nauseous and/or vomit when taking opiates. so weirdly, it's a lot easier to overdose on opiates once you're addicted but not so easy before. this is not advice & only an observation.

 

[Bauhaus]

im not sure so this is only speculation. but from my own research i observed that people who are opoid-naive - or people who aren't used to taking opiates - tend to become nauseous and/or vomit when taking opiates. so weirdly, it's a lot easier to overdose on opiates once you're addicted but not so easy before. this is not advice & only an observation.

And were the opioid users using orally or IV ?
Cos orally there's much more chance of nausea vs. orally.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Both benzos and opioids cause respiratory depression.
So I assume even if the opioid is taken orally, by adding benzos it should be lethal ?

https://coloradopaincare.com/why-mixing-opioids-and-benzodiazepines-is-so-dangerous/

"
Recent reports indicate that the risk of fatality rises significantly when combining opioids with benzodiazepines. A study in North Carolina reported that the likelihood of an overdose death was ten times higher among patients on both kinds of drugs than those only on opioids.


The key reason for this uptick in lethality is the combined effect on respiration. Separately, both drugs suppress breathing to somewhat dangerous levels, but in combination, the effect is virtually fatal in many circumstances. Also, the risk of lowered respiration is exacerbated by the sedative effects of both drugs. Many users may experience respiratory distress, but they are too sedated to seek help."

So why isn't this combination mentioned by suicide organisations ?

It takes many benzos to suppress respirations, I don't know much about opoids. If you find the right dose combination please let us know. The article you pasted is interested, but no clue as to dose of each necessary.

 

[virginiawoolf]

And were the opioid users using orally or IV ?
Cos orally there's much more chance of nausea vs. orally.

as i remember, oral.
isn't it difficult to get iv right?

 

[oblivion_seeker]

I knew someone who did this accidentally. Would probably be my ideal method also but I don't have the means to get either or the required knowledge

 

[Bauhaus]

Yes, there's a lot of nausea but not with IV.
Usually regular users take orally or intranasally while (heavy) addicted use IV.

 

[virginiawoolf]

Yes, there's a lot of nausea but not with IV.
Usually regular users take orally or intranasally while (heavy) addicted use IV.

very interesting. thanks for your knowledge.
do you know if anti-emetics would help the nausea?

 

[Pony]

I can't remember where I saw it or if i'm misremembering something but I think methadone, benzos and alcohol can be used pretty successfully. So I think opioids might work in place of the methadone?

 

[Cleopatra123]

I can't remember where I saw it or if i'm misremembering something but I think methadone, benzos and alcohol can be used pretty successfully. So I think opioids might work in place of the methadone?

Thank you Pony, never heard of using methadone. So many benzos are necessary to create respiratory suppression.

 

[Dee38]

This may well end up being my method if I am unable to acquire N. I have a box of Deprancol (propoxyphene) that I bought over a decade ago. That combined with benzos should be lethal. My only worry is experiencing heart failure from the propoxyphene, if benzos are not enough to provide deep unconsciousness. I would really like to get my hands on some phenobarbital to induce a coma and hasten death.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Diphendramine is an incredible sleep aid. I have a sleep disorder, was tried on all kinds of things that didn't work. I put the Diphendramine (Benadry actually) with 10 mg benzos and that was the best and only solution for sleep. Used it for many years. Am wondering if a lethal dose of this plus benzos might be an answer:

://whttpsww.reference.com/world-view/lethal-dose-benadryl-359dbb1f66ec5a57

 

[Bauhaus]

I'm sure antihistamines + benzos won't work Cleopatra123.

 

[Cleopatra123]

I'm sure antihistamines + benzos won't work Cleopatra123.

Thank you Bauhaus, why are you sure. Though they are essentially antihistamines, they are sold over the counter as a sleep aid, and they were more powerful for me than any other sleep meds. given me. I guess you saw my post above.

 

[itsallover]

I nearly killed myself accidentally by taking some benzos and opiates to get high, not die. My heart started racing and seemed to be pumping out of my chest and somehow I managed to survive without having a heart attack or stroke.

 

[Bauhaus]

Thank you Bauhaus, why are you sure. Though they are essentially antihistamines, they are sold over the counter as a sleep aid, and they were more powerful for me than any other sleep meds. given me. I guess you saw my post above.

Combo is just not strong enough.

Found a benzo/opioid cocktail in this thread:
How my opioid/benzos ODs failed and what I will try next time

 

[Cleopatra123]

Combo is just not strong enough.

Found a benzo/opioid cocktail in this thread:
How my opioid/benzos ODs failed and what I will try next time

If you don't mind my asking what will you "try next time"

This may well end up being my method if I am unable to acquire N. I have a box of Deprancol (propoxyphene) that I bought over a decade ago. That combined with benzos should be lethal. My only worry is experiencing heart failure from the propoxyphene, if benzos are not enough to provide deep unconsciousness. I would really like to get my hands on some phenobarbital to induce a coma and hasten death.

I don't know what "Deprancol" is? But even meds. have an expiration date. If it's over a decade old it most likely is no good. Look for the expiration date on the box. Good luck.

 

[Octavina]

Diphendramine is an incredible sleep aid. I have a sleep disorder, was tried on all kinds of things that didn't work. I put the Diphendramine (Benadry actually) with 10 mg benzos and that was the best and only solution for sleep. Used it for many years. Am wondering if a lethal dose of this plus benzos might be an answer:

://whttpsww.reference.com/world-view/lethal-dose-benadryl-359dbb1f66ec5a57

What benzos were you prescribed if you don't mind me butting in? I OD on Diphenhydramine weekly but the most symptoms I get is bad nausea and auditory hallucinations. Also people on here told me that it is nearly impossible to die from that alone, so I'm trying to get prescribed something much stronger than promithazine

 

[Cleopatra123]

What benzos were you prescribed if you don't mind me butting in? I OD on Diphenhydramine weekly but the most symptoms I get is bad nausea and auditory hallucinations. Also people on here told me that it is nearly impossible to die from that alone, so I'm trying to get prescribed something much stronger than promithazine

See the link to the "lethal" dose of diphendramine I copied above. I have valiums, and Tamazipam which is valiums 15mg tablets. Why would you OD on diphendramine weekly? Do you go to sleep? They're labeled OTC as a sleep aid; when I mix it with Valium it puts me to sleep.

 

[Dee38]

I don't know what "Deprancol" is? But even meds. have an expiration date. If it's over a decade old it most likely is no good. Look for the expiration date on the box. Good luck.

Deprancol was also know as Darvon in the US, I believe. It contains dextropropoxyphene, which is an opiod painkiller that is lethal in overdose. Yes, the box I have is well past its expiry date, although I have learned that if the medication is stored properly, it can still retain much of its original potency, even a decade later.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Deprancol was also know as Darvon in the US, I believe. It contains dextropropoxyphene, which is an opiod painkiller that is lethal in overdose. Yes, the box I have is well past its expiry date, although I have learned that if the medication is stored properly, it can still retain much of its original potency, even a decade later.

Ah yes, I remember Darvon, who would've thought, after all this time. I didn't know it was an opoid though. Can it still be gotten. Do you know what the lethal dose is? I've never had an opoid, what kind of effects does it have, sedative or excitatory? If I recall long ago having it briefly, it was a fairly mild painkiller. Thanks Dee