CTB: differences between men & women?

[toomuchgrief]

To me it the personality of the individual, regardless of sexes.

Woman here, and a mother too (but my son died). And my methods always been plunge 2,000 feet to my death, or a shotgun to my head. And join this site by heard other methods doesn't change me a bit, I still chose *my* method.

Anyways statistically, the place that I want to jump of 2,000 feet. 90% of those who jump down there it male though.

 

[Apathy79]

As others have mentioned, the data is well and truly in on this.

Significantly more women attempt suicide than men. Significantly more men succeed. The reality is essentially the opposite of the opening hypothesis, although there are plenty of exceptions on both sides.

Why this is the case is open for interpretation. The general consensus seems to be some combination of more women are just doing it as a cry for help than men, and women tend to use less violent means with lower expected success rates.

 

[c824767]

http://www.suicide.org/rape-victims-prone-to-suicide.html I mention this because rape victims are mostly female.

Sex and gender differences in post-traumatic stress disorder: an update

Background: Women have a two to three times higher risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) compared to men. Several factors are involved explaining this difference (Christiansen & Hansen, ). Both psychosocial and biological explanations ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women are way more likely to get PTSD, in other words, feel an event as traumatizing.

 

[EndItQuickly]

I agree that men will have a tendency to repress their emotions & to not seek help & also that they are not more likely to do a "cry for help" however I don't think using guns or hanging is an indicator of more rationally in suicide necessarily - but rather that tendency to being able to act more violently (due to repressed emotions) and maybe more impulsively too- where they have kept things locked up for so long- they just snap emotionally & act in the moment (in many cases- not all of course)

I disagree, when you shoot yourself in the head you almost know for certain you will end your life. Men are treated as disposable robots in our society, and if you show any weakness or sensitivity you are berated by those around you. That's not to say women have it easy, far from it, but in this regard they are treated with compassion and concern. I also don't see how swallowing a bunch of random pills is any more rational than a gunshot to the head. The goal of suicide is to stop living, so using the method with the highest success rate is completely rational in my opinion.

http://www.suicide.org/rape-victims-prone-to-suicide.html I mention this because rape victims are mostly female.

Sex and gender differences in post-traumatic stress disorder: an update

Background: Women have a two to three times higher risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) compared to men. Several factors are involved explaining this difference (Christiansen & Hansen, ). Both psychosocial and biological explanations ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women are way more likely to get PTSD, in other words, feel an event as traumatizing.

That's true until you factor in rape committed in prison

 

[MeltingHeart]

I disagree, when you shoot yourself in the head you almost know for certain you will end your life. Men are treated as disposable robots in our society, and if you show any weakness or sensitivity you are berated by those around you. That's not to say women have it easy, far from it, but in this regard they are treated with compassion and concern. I also don't see how swallowing a bunch of random pills is any more rational than a gunshot to the head. The goal of suicide is to stop living, so using the method with the highest success rate is completely rational in my opinion.


i guess what i meant is that the drive, determination and a will to suceed to ctb with a violent means (like a gun) isnt necessarily the same thing as rationality-in the decisions making process (if there is one) that lead to the suicide. Did not suggest swallowing pills is rational either-far from it.

I personally wont enter into debates about who 'has it easier' in soceity m/f, I i think there are too many other variables and multiple factors-cant just divide soceity into men or women -with no other sub sections to consider. Also from my personal lived experience, and from an entirely subjective point of view- I have received no compassion or care due to being a female-the opposite in fact, much cruelty in various forms from numerous men (often in positions of power) over the years, have never been allowed to show weakness of sensitivity either- as I believe women are also now meant to be equallly as 'strong' as men-and any signs of emotions or vunerabilty u can get labelled as too needy or 'crazy' type of girl, with 'issues'.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

I believe women have stronger survival instinct in general. Evolution favor preservation of females over males because it's more efficient for survival of the group.
But women also more emotional hence more attempts.
Better support nets and less social stigma over asking for help and appearing weak also play a role in the statistics.

This is only my opinion.

 

[killja]

When a boy writes off the world its done with sloppy misspelled words, if a girl writes off the world its done in cursive

 

[quifg]

Couldn't disagree more.

I don't want to bash men or women, but the reality is actually the opposite of what you've just said.

Men are much less likely to seek out help, for both physical and mental health. Men almost always repress how they truly feel, becuase people don't seem to care as much. You, for example, seem deeply bothered by any sight of emotional expression from men.

Men have a higher suicide rate than women in nearly every country in the world.

Apparently, women attempt 2x more than men, but why do they die so much less and use methods that don't work so often? Using the male methods (like guns, hanging) seem to be a much greater sign of rationality and planning than swallowing a handful of sleeping pills that could never really lead to death.

I hate generalizing, but this is just the reality that you blatantly deny.

Hanging isn't men way. Recently, more and more women choose hanging as their suicide method, though women risk a lot more than men of pissing themselves during hanging

 

[Wayfaerer]

Actually, it is the exact opposite. Where did you get those figures from? Cries-for-help is the polar opposite of manly.

 

[Secrets1]

As others have said statistics of attempts vs completed and types of attempts consistently point against OP's hypothesis.

Biological differences between sexes can explain this, mainly the prevalence of testosterone which is a major driver of impulsive aggression/violence. Going a bit further women are generally more verbally adept and therefore communicative while the brains of males offer advantages in spatial awareness (which some would describe as planning). Cultural differences vary by culture so that is tough to discern... but biological differences leading to cultural roles and resulting patterns make reasonable root causes. Obviously these are just broad trends among a few billion people.

 

[MeltingHeart]

As others have said statistics of attempts vs completed and types of attempts consistently point against OP's hypothesis.

Biological differences between sexes can explain this, mainly the prevalence of testosterone which is a major driver of impulsive aggression/violence. Going a bit further women are generally more verbally adept and therefore communicative while the brains of males offer advantages in spatial awareness. Cultural differences vary by culture so that is tough to discern... but biological differences leading to cultural roles and resulting patterns make reasonable root causes.

I was watching this thing about the criminal mind (not suggesting that suicides are crimes) but they often have differences in brain structure & chemicals: as revealed by scans- tht make them have less fear, a tendency to not overly think about consequences & less afraid of pain- which is further heightened by constant exposure to violence—its makes them "braver" in a sense-thats why they think some of those ex-cons were able to confront the London Bridge stabber & could also be said to account for the number of suicides in the police force & miltary (this immunity to pain & fear combined with factors such as ptsd)

 

[Heart of Ice]

Women, on the other hand, are deeper thinkers, more in touch with themselves, and better planners

Comedy gold.