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I would like to know what is after death. This question terrifies me, and my life also terrifies me because I am disabled, suffering, and I see others having succeeded in their lives.

I have CTB means as I have 150mg of N and if that's not enough some SN could complete the deliverance cocktail.

I'm looking for books, testimonials, like the NDE, some kind of "scientific" proof that there is something good after death. We are going to die anyway, no one is immortal. After all, why do we have a conscience? How our consciousness was created before being born? We have no memory of before we were born, while life existed long before we were born. Why do we always have the same body and why are we not in another person's body (the soul remains a prisoner of its body)?

Homozygous twins (i.e. with the same genetic heritage) are different at the soul level, although their bodies are totally identical, and each keeps his body, without the spirit of a twin going into the other's body.

I thank this forum for existing, because people in my life are fed up with me talking about my craving for CTB.
 
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I would like to know what is after death.
Nothing. Once your brain dies, there is no more consciousness, no memory, no awareness. It will be like before you were born.
I'm looking for books, testimonials, like the NDE, some kind of "scientific" proof that there is something good after death.
There has never been any scientific evidence of an afterlife. We live in a material universe, and as far as we know there are no others universes or dimensions, so where is the afterlife? If it is a place, it has to exist in this universe, and that just makes no sense at all. There has never been any evidence of reincarnation, or anything like that.
After all, why do we have a conscience? How our consciousness was created before being born? We have no memory of before we were born, while life existed long before we were born.
We have a consciousness because human beings evolved over millions of years to have a certain level of sentience and awareness. As a fetus develops, the brain grows to a point where it becomes somewhat sentient and self aware. This is why you have no memory of "before" you were born. A sufficiently developed brain becomes self aware, conscious, at some point in its development.
Why do we always have the same body and why are we not in another person's body (the soul remains a prisoner of its body)?
Why would you have any other body? That is absurd on the face of it. You can't ever have any other body. Nature doesn't make mistakes, it just is, and you have only one body.
Homozygous twins (i.e. with the same genetic heritage) are different at the soul level, although their bodies are totally identical, and each keeps his body, without the spirit of a twin going into the other's body.
There has never been any evidence that human beings have a soul. There is no soul-particle, no immaterial soul-substance or invisible spirit we have discovered, that floats away from the body at the moment of death. Where does this soul go, to another dimension? Is the afterlife somewhere in this universe we haven't discovered? That is just silly to think about.

I don't know if any of us can give you what you are asking for, because the scientific evidence doesn't exist and is pretty clear that when the brain dies, there is nothing after death. Your consciousness ceases to be. There is no pain, no suffering, there is no more anything. Life continues on without you.
 
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Afterlife is one of those things that are cool to fantasize about but have no basis in reality. Like say, superheroes. Or magical kingdoms. Let's face it, when you die you just.. die. Everything just stops for you.

The notion of afterlife (along with there being a just, loving "God") is humanity's massive cope -- heaven/hell gives us some reassurance that people who do bad shit and get away with it, will face justice at some point; and likewise people who do good will get their rewards. Logically thinking about it for a minute would make it clear that it's a laughable, delusional concept. Any fantastical NDEs etc can be explained away by the same reasoning as drug effects -- brain chemistry is weird.

As for whether "there is something good after death" though, there definitely IS, at least for me. The mental torture is gone.
 
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But suddenly, what makes us aware of being born in this body and not in another?

We could also have been born as a cat, a dog, a fish, a bird, a boy, a girl, etc.

What makes us conscious in one body? Is there a collective consciousness, which would bring together several living beings or even all of the living? After all, the brain has several neurons that work together.

Moreover, with the evolution of technologies and in particular artificial intelligence, could it be that machines have a conscience?
 
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I would like to know what is after death. This question terrifies me, and my life also terrifies me because I am disabled, suffering, and I see others having succeeded in their lives.

I have CTB means as I have 150mg of N and if that's not enough some SN could complete the deliverance cocktail.

I'm looking for books, testimonials, like the NDE, some kind of "scientific" proof that there is something good after death. We are going to die anyway, no one is immortal. After all, why do we have a conscience? How our consciousness was created before being born? We have no memory of before we were born, while life existed long before we were born. Why do we always have the same body and why are we not in another person's body (the soul remains a prisoner of its body)?

Homozygous twins (i.e. with the same genetic heritage) are different at the soul level, although their bodies are totally identical, and each keeps his body, without the spirit of a twin going into the other's body.

I thank this forum for existing, because people in my life are fed up with me talking about my craving for CTB.
You may be interested in reading the stories on NDRF. ORG.

It is a research foundation that studies NDES. They collect NDE stories from people around the world. I started reading some of the stories a few years ago after a friend of mine told me about it. It's very interesting. Most of the NDES people had were positive experiences. One notable thing is that many of these people were afraid of dying before they had their NDE. After the NDE, they were no longer afraid of dying. In fact many of these people were very mad that they were revived and brought back here. They wanted to stay there and said they look forward to going back someday.
 
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But suddenly, what makes us aware of being born in this body and not in another?

We could also have been born as a cat, a dog, a fish, a bird, a boy, a girl, etc.

I feel like this is basically a combination of pareidolia / cherry picking and centering onself (not saying it's bad, it's a natural tendency). Sometimes, things just.. are. There's no deep meaning or explanation underneath. If a bird shat on you one day, it just happened -- the bird didn't choose you for a reason or whatever. Your mind (and hence consciousness etc) being in your body is just a coincidence and something that happened, just like the billions of other X's minds in their bodies. There is nothing unique or special going on here.

Is there a collective consciousness, which would bring together several living beings or even all of the living? After all, the brain has several neurons that work together.

Why would the former infer from the latter? Again, this is just classic pareidolia. Looking for patterns where there aren't. Definitely fun to fantasize about though.
 
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But suddenly, what makes us aware of being born in this body and not in another?

What makes us conscious in one body?
Evolution. We evolved to have a certain level of self awareness and sentience. Other animals like cats and dogs are sentient to a certain degree as well, and their capacity for thought is modified by their specific evolutionary path. It's not better or worse to be more consciously aware, imo, humans with all their sophisticated reasoning have made a mess of things. Maybe having a lower level of consciousness or intelligence is better, at least cats aren't building nuclear weapons.
Is there a collective consciousness, which would bring together several living beings or even all of the living?
This is called panpsychism, and there isn't any evidence to the idea. It's just something some people believe, without any evidence, sort of like the afterlife. People want to believe the universe is conscious, or even speaks to them, or sends them messages and blessings in life. This is silly. Nature just is, it doesn't have purpose, or intention, those are human constructs that we project onto nature, which is itself indifferent and unaware.
Moreover, with the evolution of technologies and in particular artificial intelligence, could it be that machines have a conscience?
I don't think a machine could ever truly be conscious. It could mimic what we think is consciousness, but then again I do not think that humans are all that conscious either, or that is to say that consciousness is an illusion.

If you are interested I would recommend this short video on the subject:

 
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don' waste your time with that kind of bullshit. wether is hell or heaven, both are better than this existence
 
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I would like to know what is after death. This question terrifies me, and my life also terrifies me because I am disabled, suffering, and I see others having succeeded in their lives.

I have CTB means as I have 150mg of N and if that's not enough some SN could complete the deliverance cocktail.

I'm looking for books, testimonials, like the NDE, some kind of "scientific" proof that there is something good after death. We are going to die anyway, no one is immortal. After all, why do we have a conscience? How our consciousness was created before being born? We have no memory of before we were born, while life existed long before we were born. Why do we always have the same body and why are we not in another person's body (the soul remains a prisoner of its body)?

Homozygous twins (i.e. with the same genetic heritage) are different at the soul level, although their bodies are totally identical, and each keeps his body, without the spirit of a twin going into the other's body.

I thank this forum for existing, because people in my life are fed up with me talking about my craving for CTB.
When I die I'm going to be with my partner again. I don't wanna wait 50 years.

I think it will be a heaven of some kind but there very likely could be a different dimension.

David icke has a very interesting take and uplifting view on it, although am not really sure I agree with most things he says.

 
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What is your disability, I too am a T4 para, been in this fucking chair 37 years and my body is failing me, I dont have much time to wait though, got my N all ready to go, just need to tie up my affairs and cash in my ticket to whatever is waiting out there after this godawful life.
 
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When I die I'm going to be with my partner again. I don't wanna wait 50 years.

I think it will be a heaven of some kind but there very likely could be a different dimension.

David icke has a very interesting take and uplifting view on it, although am not really sure I agree with most things he says.



David Icke also thinks that reptilian aliens are disguised as humans and that they are running the world, apparently the queen of England and George Bush and obama are all reptilian aliens. I am not sure I would tale that guy to seriously.
 
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David Icke also thinks that reptilian aliens are disguised as humans and that they are running the world, apparently the queen of England and George Bush and obama are all reptilian aliens. I am not sure I would tale that guy to seriously.
That's a bit of an over simplification but crux of his argument has some validity yah. Going a>z and straight to 'they're reptiles' is a jump that looks a bridge to far, but if you look into the argument he makes in massive details the reptilian part is more to do with selective breeding and elites interbreeding that's not unreasonable to suggest.
 
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There really doesn't need to be gods or spirits for there to be something "after".

If the universe is spatially infinite, there are other versions of you existing trillions of light years away. If the universe is spatially finite, it is potentially subject to Poincaré recurrence. If there is a multiverse, you probably exist in some of them. If simulation theory is possible, you might be resurrected by advanced quantum archaeologists in the future.
 
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David Icke also thinks that reptilian aliens are disguised as humans and that they are running the world, apparently the queen of England and George Bush and obama are all reptilian aliens. I am not sure I would tale that guy to seriously.
He also exposed famous celebrity pedophiles decades before they where found out publicly, lot of his information is well researched and he may naturally come to wrong conclusions about some things but I don't think that's actually the case. Maybe he just goes too deep down the rabbit hole and instead of accepting things as facts and stopping at certain point, goes on an on an on an on an on. And completely goes to depths that aren't needed
 
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There really doesn't need to be gods or spirits for there to be something "after".

If the universe is spatially infinite, there are other versions of you existing trillions of light years away. If the universe is spatially finite, it is potentially subject to Poincaré recurrence. If there is a multiverse, you probably exist in some of them.
Yes but there does need to be a scientific explanation for how that is possible, and so far there isn't any.

Theres no evidence that consciousness exists beyond death, and how would it be sustained? As far as we know, consciousness depends upon a brain to function.

Where is the afterlife? Another universe, another dimension? How does that even make sense, when all we have evidence of is this material universe, that is governed by physical forces.

What is a soul, or a spirit made of? If it is a physical substance, even if it's invisible, it should be discoverable by science, and so far we have no evidence of spirit or soul existing, and where would it go? Does it just linger here as a ghost? There has never been any evidence of ghosts.
 
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Yes but there does need to be a scientific explanation for how that is possible, and so far there isn't any.

Theres no evidence that consciousness exists beyond death, and how would it be sustained? As far as we know, consciousness depends upon a brain to function.

Where is the afterlife? Another universe, another dimension? How does that even make sense, when all we have evidence of is this material universe, that is governed by physical forces.

What is a soul, or a spirit made of? If it is a physical substance, even if it's invisible, it should be discoverable by science, and so far we have no evidence of spirit or soul existing, and where would it go? Does it just linger here as a ghost? There has never been any evidence of ghosts. If heaven and hell and purgatory exist, they would have to exist somewhere else besides this universe, or somewhere in this universe, and we have yet to discover a planet heaven. There is no evidence of anything existing outside of this universe, so it can't be there.

Right, but I am not taking about any of that. I'm talking about either purely naturalistic possibilities (Poincaré recurrences, multiverses) or future technological resurrection (Omega Point/simulation/quantum archaeology). No gods or ghosts required.

Roger Penrose thinks he's found the remnants of black holes from a prior universe - at any rate, their radiation signatures are older than the observable universe.
 
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i dont like when people say that after death it will be like before you were born. like hello, you didnt have freakin conciousness before you were born so how the fk would you know. that is the difference, so no it is not like before you were born because you were already bound to become concious. when you die its nothing like that
 
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What is your disability, I too am a T4 para, been in this fucking chair 37 years and my body is failing me, I dont have much time to wait though, got my N all ready to go, just need to tie up my affairs and cash in my ticket to whatever is waiting out there after this godawful life.
I have several disabilities from birth and from abuse during my childhood. I also have a genetic disease and psychiatric disorders, in short, my medical file is a dictionary. I am constantly tired, exhausted. My handicaps forced me to stop my studies, the health costs cost me too much, obliging me to sacrifice my studies to take care of myself. I no longer have any social status, I am alone, isolated, marginalized, I see that everyone around me has succeeded in their lives. The worst part of all this is that I am gifted, and therefore totally aware of my shitty life, the other gifted people I frequent in associations for high intellectual potential have succeeded very well in their lives. There are some people who think that I only have psychiatric disorders, and a psychiatrist who I left because she told me the same thing without seeing my medical records which are definitive proof of all the disabilities. It's so sad that people don't realize that you can have disabilities that you can't see from the outside, for people in general, being disabled means necessarily being in a wheelchair, for example! Yet a blind person, a deaf person, a person who has internal cancer can be handicapped. I have been told that I am too young to die, so to benefit from euthanasia in countries that allow it, and that they do not want to help me, I am apparently, according to them, a coward who does not failed in life out of laziness!
 
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i dont like when people say that after death it will be like before you were born. like hello, you didnt have freakin conciousness before you were born so how the fk would you know. that is the difference, so no it is not like before you were born because you were already bound to become concious. when you die its nothing like that
This isn't a critique of people on here, but I do think people are so adversely effected by their trauma of their life and issues that they can't see anything but nothingness when they're gone, or even want that as a way to escape.

All other forums I've been apart of, and other discussions it's usually 50/50. Seems like it's 90/10 here in favor of there's nothing after death, I think that's because of issues everyone has partly at least.
 
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Being gifted, it is impossible not to think, with anguish, about existential questions, about the soul, the conscience, what is there after death...
 
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Nothing. Once your brain dies, there is no more consciousness, no memory, no awareness. It will be like before you were born.

There has never been any scientific evidence of an afterlife. We live in a material universe, and as far as we know there are no others universes or dimensions, so where is the afterlife? If it is a place, it has to exist in this universe, and that just makes no sense at all. There has never been any evidence of reincarnation, or anything like that.

We have a consciousness because human beings evolved over millions of years to have a certain level of sentience and awareness. As a fetus develops, the brain grows to a point where it becomes somewhat sentient and self aware. This is why you have no memory of "before" you were born. A sufficiently developed brain becomes self aware, conscious, at some point in its development.

Why would you have any other body? That is absurd on the face of it. You can't ever have any other body. Nature doesn't make mistakes, it just is, and you have only one body.

There has never been any evidence that human beings have a soul. There is no soul-particle, no immaterial soul-substance or invisible spirit we have discovered, that floats away from the body at the moment of death. Where does this soul go, to another dimension? Is the afterlife somewhere in this universe we haven't discovered? That is just silly to think about.

I don't know if any of us can give you what you are asking for, because the scientific evidence doesn't exist and is pretty clear that when the brain dies, there is nothing after death. Your consciousness ceases to be. There is no pain, no suffering, there is no more anything. Life continues on without you.
you never took DMT? LSD? Psilocybin?

OP, look up psilocybin which has been used with terminal cancer patients.

Buddhism says that reincarnation is a misnomer, as we do not have a memory of our past lives (most of us) so even if the 'soul' reincarnates it doesn't mean much, as every life is a new storyline so to speak.

After death - the general stuff I read in the past talks about white light, being greeted, a life review...But the Tibetan Book of the Dead contains specific guidance on how to get a better reincarnation and get off the wheel of incarnation faster. My mum told me my late grandma saw a white light and family members who had passed on, greeting her as she was dying of cancer. She was in a hospice.

There are documented cases of children remembering past lives and literature out there. You want to possibly look up Dr Brian Weiss MD. He is quite comforting and his story is interesting. He was giving hypnotherapy to a patient when she 'regressed' into a past life memory that helped her feel better. He was a scientist and is one, and a doctor, and became convinced of the veracity of past lives and now teaches about them.

Scientists are beginning to agree that this whole world is a simulation - like a very sophisticated computer game. That is what neuroscience and Hinduism teach us, as well as quantum physics. That this world is an illusion created by our minds, through the experience of the senses. It's a matrix of experience. E.g. the documentary with David Eagleman on the brain shows how the brain creates our experience of reality rather than vice versa.

When climate change hits (sorry it's not cheerful!) then we will be the lucky ones as we have researched exit methods. Watching people die of thirst/starvation is less fun than exiting peacefullly.

OP, I honour your decision whatever you decide to do....I would recommend a psychedelic experience or two if your mind is truly made up, so you can explore consciousness a little. However, ymmv. I have never had one of those beautiful mystical experiences on mushrooms for example, I just found them scary - like they are the master and I am the slave. They are God in my opinion. The architects of the world. That is what they told me. I prefer weed by a long way. Ketamine is amazing. It saved my life this year. I am not addicted to it, but some peopel get addicted to it and it can cause bladder issues. With any drugs, check your contraindications.

Saying all of this - you asked for book recommendations, so my book recommendation is 'Dr Brian Weiss'. I forget the title. I will look up his website and add it shortly.
His book is called 'Many Lives, Many Masters' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Weiss

I was worried about the afterlife, then my depression became worse than any worries I had. Then Prozac helped me then Ketamine helped me - after years of torture with depression. But I am always in favour of assisted dying and pro choice. I know suffering. Not phsyical so far in this life as yet, but mental definitely.


Anyway, check out the website and Dr Brian Weiss. Sending you my best wishes. I also told friends and family for years I wanted to be dead - and it is a very rare few that can sit with you when you feel like that. We are here with you. You are not alone and you have done amazingly to suffer as long as you have and to get this far, no matter what you decide in future.

All best
 
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I like to think if you are really willing to leave everything here behind, that is enough because soon you will have nothing.
In my case, nothingness is what I long for.
Absence of things. Absence of suffering and pain.
 
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OP, people want to label people as lazy when they are disabled, especially invisible disability. I was discussing this with my religious community on Saturday. invisible disabilty and being labelled as lazy (in my case by my family) as if being disabled is a lifestyle choice.

Fuck em. You know yourself. They are ignorant and you are gifted. So ignore that shit. Make your own decisions about your own life.
 
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Right, but I am not taking about any of that. I'm talking about either purely naturalistic possibilities (Poincaré recurrences, multiverses) or future technological resurrection (Omega Point/simulation/quantum archaeology). No gods or ghosts required.
There is no scientific evidence that any of that stuff exists.

At the most, I would concede that maybe in the future some day, you will be able to store or download your memories and consciousness into a computer, or even cybernetic body. But that would not be you. It would be a copy of you, and you would have died when your original brain and body died.
Roger Penrose thinks he's found the remnants of black holes from a prior universe - at any rate, their radiation signatures are older than the observable universe.
Roger Penrose is a quack, and I wouldn't pay attention to or listen to anything he has to say, just like I would not listen to anything David Icke has to say.
like hello, you didnt have freakin conciousness before you were born
That's kind of the point.

You're complaining about nothing. No one expects that your consciousness, which ends at death, will evolve again into more consciousness. This Is a straw man argument.
 
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Hinduism knew about the atom before modern science.
 
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I do think people are so adversely effected by their trauma of their life and issues that they can't see anything but nothingness when they're gone, or even want that as a way to escape.
Or, you know, it's based on scientific reasoning and skepticism. There has never been any reason to assume there is an afterlife. Look at the person here saying that lsd and shrooms are somehow evidence. It's absurd. There has never been any evidence of an afterlife, and ancient people's only assumed there was because they couldn't scientifically explain things like hallucinations and weird dreams. They literally assumed that their consciousness must have gone somewhere else, and there you go. From there they expanded on that to believe that consciousness extends beyond death and that it "goes somewhere", but there has never been the slightest bit of scientific evidence to support that idea.

Earlier you said you believe in a kind of heaven. This has to be taken on faith. You can't possibly explain how that would scientifically exist. Where is this heaven. How is your consciousness sustained there without a brain? You don't know. It's an extreme leap of faith.
 
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Anyway we are going to die, no one is eternal, at least for the bodily envelope. The best thing is to die well according to your own wishes. No one asked to be born and we are unequal from birth (rich, poor, handicapped or not, boy, girl, Chinese, Spanish, Brazilian..., good or bad parents, genetics...), so it is normal of BTC without blame from others. Society (regardless of the countries in the world) should legalize euthanasia or assisted suicide so that all people who wish to die can die surrounded by caring people, and to die without suffering or pain, it would be a duty of the society which imposed the fact of being born on us. Society should only be content to try to convince a person wishing to die that there are other solutions in life, to help him to live better, but without imposing life by constraint or reproach.
 
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Poincaré recurrence absolutely exists. It's just unknown if it would apply to the universe as a hole.
 
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Or, you know, it's based on scientific reasoning and skepticism. There has never been any reason to assume there is an afterlife. Look at the person below this, saying that lsd and shrooms are somehow evidence. It's absurd. There has never been any evidence of an afterlife, and ancient people's only assumed there was because they couldn't scientifically explain things like hallucinations and weird dreams. They literally assumed that their consciousness must have gone somewhere else, and there you go. From there they expanded on that to believe that consciousness extends beyond death and that it "goes somewhere", but there has never been the slightest bit of scientific evidence to support that idea.

Earlier you said you believe in a kind of heaven. This has to be taken on faith. You can't possibly explain how that would scientifically exist. Where is this heaven. How is your consciousness sustained there without a brain? You don't know. It's an extreme leap of faith.
It is taken on faith it's my personal belief ya.

All I've seen is you go on about is scientists, pre Galileo there was a set consensus that was monolithic then within a year a total 180 shift in the consensus. I'm not sure there is scientific evidence 100% about any afterlife yeah but I don't think there is any 100% saying there's not either. Imo you saying there isn't an afterlife Is based off feelings of your own too as I can't see how it's proven one way or another. My feeling is always that there is an afterlife
 
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