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noname223

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I have 3 very close friends. Two of them fully know my plans on suicide. One of them has a patient decree of mine where I clarify to respect the autonomy of my decision. I am kind of scared my dad could sue him for that. Lol. In case I ended up in a hospital in a coma where my friend has the legal right to end my life and my family wants to keep me going as a vegetable. I was more scared about that when I had my prior method choice in mind.

But this is not the question in the title. I won't make a goodbye thread in this forum when my time comes. (though when it actually happens is unclear for now). I am scared of the subtle and subconscious pressure that a goodbye thread can invoke. Moreover the moments are too private for me. Though I could imagine to give my two closest friends updates in my last hours.

When I thought about it I had some concerns. I think it could alleviate my pain being able to say goodbye to them. However could there be legal issues for them? I have mental illness so they will probably claim I never had the mental capacity to make this choice. In my patient degree I explained that my suicidality persists since many years and that the reason for my suicide is no acute crisis. I think this could give my friends some legal leeway. I am not sure who would actually sue them? The authorities or my family? I could imagine my friends could easily blame my parents for my suicide which certainly is the case. So maybe the guilt of their actions could lead to the fact that they blame themselves for it (?) and not my friends.

Maybe I could also delete all the messages soon before I die to decrease the likelihood people will go against them. As I said I think talking to them could help me a lot in my darkest hours. By the way I fully trust them that they would not interfere in it. So this is no reason for me not to do it.

What do you think?
 
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アホペンギン

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No, i don't think they'd be held accountable if any conversations with them concerning your ctb are found soon after you die. I may be wrong though, i have never been in such a situation before.
 
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AShipinthedark

AShipinthedark

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Aug 1, 2023
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From what I just searched...assisted suicide is considered legal in 10 states, the rules surrounding it, in my own reckoning, would only apply to your friends if they actively encouraged you. If it became something of a spectator event, so to speak. Otherwise, if you are doing it and they are reluctantly showing support, then I do not believe they can be held accountable for anything. I am not a lawyer though...
 
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Sweet Tart

Sweet Tart

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May 10, 2023
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You raise important and complex questions. I doubt the patient decree would hold up as a legal document, since ctb is not a legally respected right. Even where assisted suicide is legal, I imagine there are strict protocols that must be followed in order for it to be considered a legal act.

If it became known that your friends knew in real time that you took actions to ctb and they did not intervene, that could potentially be seen as some type of criminal neglect (I don't have the legal language to speculate on charges). I'd be more worried about your family suing them than the state, tho I wouldn't rule that out.

Ultimately, it is up to your friends how they handle it if you give them live updates. I don't think there is a way to completely remove risk for them but I also don't know how realistic it is that anyone would investigate their involvement in your ctb plan.
 
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d3c96524be95

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I could checkup the jurisprudences, but my uneducated guess is that they'd be very likely to be criminally charged in France. Your friends could be accused of failure to assist a person in danger, and risk up to 5 years in prison and a fine of €75,000 (increased to 7 years in prison and a fine of €100,000 if the person in "peril" was under 15 years old).

Dura lex. I would strongly suggest that you do everything possible to not leave any proof.
 
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