Corvalol, Barboval - Phenobarbital

[orlandom]

In my country, a medicine such as Corvalol and Barboval 25 ml is available.

They contain phenobarbital - in one jar - 0.425g.

In total, for a lethal dose of phenobarbital in 6 g, you need to drink 15 jars - 0.38 liters.

What do you think about this?

 

[mpnf]

Where are you from?

 

[aminend]

In my country, a medicine such as Corvalol and Barboval 25 ml is available.

They contain phenobarbital - in one jar - 0.425g.

In total, for a lethal dose of phenobarbital in 6 g, you need to drink 15 jars - 0.38 liters.

What do you think about this?

Phenobarbital is different with pentobarbital and is risky. I think u have SN. Sn is more reliable

 

[orlandom]

If I had pure Phenobarbital tablets in the right dose, there would be no risk. This is slightly worse than H, but overall excellent.

 

[Aap]

You must be from Russia. 6 grams is only a nominal dose. Double that should likely be used. Doesn't corvalol contain valerian root? If so, I would imagine it tastes unbelievably bad.

 

[orlandom]

In fact - I have SN. I have gelatin capsules in which I will put it. I think I will die with a 95% chance. But the brain is such that it is constantly looking for something even better. Evolution. Even in suicide. It smiles at me.

 

[UnemployedMD]

Phenobarbital is completely different than pentobarbital even though the names are similar. It is much harder to ctb using phenobarbital as it is not really a true barbiturate (acts in a completely different way and does not act as a depressant on the central nervous system in the same way. Pentobarbital which I think is probably referred to as "N" (I am new to thisforum) for the trade name Nembutal is much much better as a means to ctb as the lethal does needed is much smaller and easier to administer. Drinking .38L of phenobarbital would make you vomit well before ever reaching that level and is almost certainly to put you in the 95% of ctb attempts by overdose that fail. Good luck in whatever you decide but pick your poison carefully with something like this. Understandable that the useful stuff is very hard to obtain in most parts of the world but seriously please pick another method than that if you are actually serious about ctbing and this is not a gesture.

 

[intr0verse]

You are totally wrong. Phenobarbital (Luminal) IS a barbiturate, actually the 2nd ever discovered after barbital (Veronal) and does act as a central nervous system depresant just like any other barbiturate. Because it has a different molecular structure (and because what you get in pharmacy is the free acid instead of the sodium salt) it takes longer than N, some say up to 72 hours, but it's definitely a barbiturate and acts like one.

 

[Aap]

@unemployed - go look in Goodman and gillman's and then come back and say that phenobarbital is not a barbiturate and acts at a distinct receptor compared to other barbiturates. I'm not sure if you are attempting to simplify things to the point of being incorrect or are confusing duration of action with something else.

 

[UnemployedMD]

You are totally wrong. Phenobarbital (Luminal) IS a barbiturate, actually the 2nd ever discovered after barbital (Veronal) and does act as a central nervous system depresant just like any other barbiturate. Because it has a different molecular structure (and because what you get in pharmacy is the free acid instead of the sodium salt) it takes longer than N, some say up to 72 hours, but it's definitely a barbiturate and acts like one.

Yes I am mostly talking about duration of action and it's potential to fail. 72 hours is a long time and you may well be discovered by someone by then or have second thoughts and end up in the ER in that time. I know it acts on the CVS as it is a barbiturate but it not the same drug in any way to pentobarbital. Nembutal will kill you in minutes (seconds if injected). You would actually be hard pressed to find obtain phenobarbital too as it is mainly used an anti seizure medication, but just saying there are better options out there and this is not the drug I would choose. So yes it will probably work if done correctly, I just see a lot of ways doing this could go wrong, but drugs wouldn't be the way I would ctb so it isnt something I have thought a lot about. Though I have glanced at the peaceful pill handbook and think nembutal is the way go if seriously wanting to ctb.

 

[orlandom]

Yes I am mostly talking about duration of action and it's potential to fail. 72 hours is a long time and you may well be discovered by someone by then or have second thoughts and end up in the ER in that time. I know it acts on the CVS as it is a barbiturate but it not the same drug in any way to pentobarbital. Nembutal will kill you in minutes (seconds if injected). You would actually be hard pressed to find obtain phenobarbital too as it is mainly used an anti seizure medication, but just saying there are better options out there and this is not the drug I would choose. So yes it will probably work if done correctly, I just see a lot of ways doing this could go wrong, but drugs wouldn't be the way I would ctb so it isnt something I have thought a lot about. Though I have glanced at the peaceful pill handbook and think nembutal is the way go if seriously wanting to ctb.

Where did you get the information about 72 hours? Can I have a source? I think this is a lie.

 

[UnemployedMD]

Where did you get the information about 72 hours? Can I have a source? I think this is a lie.

I am just quoting the user above. This is not a common drug in clinical medicine, and I honestly don't know how long exactly it would take to cause death from an OD as barbiturates are really antiquated drugs at this point and really are only seen in animal euthanasia clinics and in some countries where lethal injection is used to execute prisoners. Just I am sure it would take longer than Nembutal or secobarbital.

 

[intr0verse]

Can't remember if it was Final Exit or the Guide to a Humane Self-Chosen Death where i've read that but it was an expert book nevertheless.
I'm sorry if that's not what you'd like to hear but phenobarbital is slower that N for sure and even if the percentage of people that will take up to 72 hours to die is very small, one must consider all options. If you go down this route, just make sure you have plenty of time before someone might find you.
Now, as any other barbiturate, phenobarbital is lethal, provided you have enough of it and enough time.

 

[orlandom]

Can't remember if it was Final Exit or the Guide to a Humane Self-Chosen Death where i've read that but it was an expert book nevertheless.
I'm sorry if that's not what you'd like to hear but phenobarbital is slower that N for sure and even if the percentage of people that will take up to 72 hours to die is very small, one must consider all options. If you go down this route, just make sure you have plenty of time before someone might find you.
Now, as any other barbiturate, phenobarbital is lethal, provided you have enough of it and enough time.

What are 72 hours? Maximum 8 hours! Yes, he acts more slowly. But if the dose is high. This is death!

 

[Aap]

Alright, everyone simmer down. I used duration of action in reference to half life. Phenobarbital has a half life in the range of 80-120 hours, which will result in an extended effective duration of action for certain effects for individuals who have loaded/are in steady state.

 

[Longman]

In total, for a lethal dose of phenobarbital in 6 g, you need to drink 15 jars - 0.38 liters.

I think that the main problem would be vomiting, because each 100ml of Corvalol contain 79ml of ethanol (95% purity). In fact, 0.38 litres of Corvalol contain the same amount of ethanol as ~700ml of vodka. I heard that Corvalol may be fully evaporated using heated bath, which could be the solution of the problem.

 

[orlandom]

I think that the main problem would be vomiting, because each 100ml of Corvalol contain 79ml of ethanol (95% purity). In fact, 0.38 litres of Corvalol contain the same amount of ethanol as ~700ml of vodka. I heard that Corvalol may be fully evaporated using heated bath, which could be the solution of the problem.

What are the easiest methods to eat without a hot bath? What if you leave this liquid open without a lid? I think 95% ethanol should evaporate quickly? How quickly does alcohol evaporate? Maybe in a week or two I will see that there is no liquid left at all? I am not a chemist. I don't understand anything about this

 

[Cockney_Rebel]

In my country, a medicine such as Corvalol and Barboval 25 ml is available.

They contain phenobarbital - in one jar - 0.425g.

In total, for a lethal dose of phenobarbital in 6 g, you need to drink 15 jars - 0.38 liters.

What do you think about this?

See if you can get pentobarbital instead.

That's what they use at Dignitas, in Sweden.

It comes in powder form, and is mixed with a small amount of water.

Does the job in about two minutes.

You must be from Russia. 6 grams is only a nominal dose. Double that should likely be used. Doesn't corvalol contain valerian root? If so, I would imagine it tastes unbelievably bad.

Have a small bar of chocolate to hand ...

 

[orlandom]

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Let's try to discuss only corvalol, barboval and phenobarbital in this thread. I'm still interested in the emphasis on phenobarbital. And the evaporation of ethanol from the drug.

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[orlandom]

Yes, indeed, now I am reading experiments with phenobarbital on rats. Indeed - 1-3 days after taking ...

It is really important that no one finds at this time ...

Maybe alcohol could speed it up? I'll try to find information.

But as I understand it, it is most likely very peaceful. But very long

 

[Wrennie]

Is Corvalol also available in the United States, or only Russia?

 

[orlandom]

Is Corvalol also available in the United States, or only Russia?

I don't know if it is available in Russia.

But it is available in my country without a prescription.

 

[Longman]

What if you leave this liquid open without a lid?

Maybe pour it into a shallow plate (to maximize liquid surface) and keep this plate in a place with constant air replacement (on a balcony or under air stream of a working fan). This should speed up evaporation.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Barboval is actually available on eBay from the Ukraine. Haven't bought any, but it's there.

 

[peacefulhorizons]

Barboval is actually available on eBay from the Ukraine. Haven't bought any, but it's there.

ebay....

 

[OnlyTheWind]

ebay....

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I understand your skepticism, but it is a legal tranquilizer containing phenobarbital (some sources equate the two). Although it's availability is pretty much restricted to the Ukraine and Eastern Europe from what I've read. The capsules on ebay come from two different sellers, both with 100% feedback.

 

[Drimacus]

Maybe alcohol could speed it up? I'll try to find information.

Corvalol (in liquid form) already contains a lot of alcohol.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Phenobarbital is completely different than pentobarbital even though the names are similar. It is much harder to ctb using phenobarbital as it is not really a true barbiturate (acts in a completely different way and does not act as a depressant on the central nervous system in the same way. Pentobarbital which I think is probably referred to as "N" (I am new to thisforum) for the trade name Nembutal is much much better as a means to ctb as the lethal does needed is much smaller and easier to administer. Drinking .38L of phenobarbital would make you vomit well before ever reaching that level and is almost certainly to put you in the 95% of ctb attempts by overdose that fail. Good luck in whatever you decide but pick your poison carefully with something like this. Understandable that the useful stuff is very hard to obtain in most parts of the world but seriously please pick another method than that if you are actually serious about ctbing and this is not a gesture.

The Heaven's Gate exits employed Phenobarbital. I recall that it was mixed with hydrocodone, applesauce and followed by alcohol. No info on the dose.

 

[Aap]

...they were also bagged by someone...

 

[WillSterben]

The Heaven's Gate exits employed Phenobarbital. I recall that it was mixed with hydrocodone, applesauce and followed by alcohol. No info on the dose.

This. Phenobarbital works, 100%, just as well as N and any other Barbiturate There was even some guide around here, I believe from the PPeH, mentioning a mix consisting of antiemetic + Phenobarbital + Benzo + Phenytoin + Alcohol. All of this is just for speeding it up, though, Phenobarbital works 100% on its own. With the combo it even becomes fast, like N!