Consciousness after death?

[Barf]

I'm so hoping there is something, and something better than this.

I fit pretty firmly in the category of "doesn't want to die, just can't stand living".

Actually, I really do want to live, just not on this miserable planet. I only want to die out of resignation, and I feel resentful of that. So, I guess all I'm left with is hoping that there is maybe something better hereafter?

If there isn't I guess I'll be none the wiser, it still bothers me though.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

[desertdreamer]

There are as many views on this subject as there are people on the planet. I believe we are part of something much larger than ourselves and people who are afraid to die are simply attached to their egos - they can't imagine a reality where they don't exist, so they make up an after life where there is reward and punishment but where they still exist. I think we merge back into something much larger than ourselves, back to universal energy but without the egoic identifiers. This thought brings me a lot of peace, but you will have to find your own beliefs. No other person's beliefs can help you when you are contemplating your own death, as most people here are.

 

[Blackjack]

I want to believe there is nothing conscious after death.

 

[Barf]

I want to believe there is nothing conscious after death.

You and I are opposites on this haha

 

[hunthunt]

The most well accepted theory is that there's no other side, heaven or hell or afterlife, once your brain cells die your cognitive capacity ends and with it ends all of yourself, all your memories, beliefs, ideals, morale, love, past, present and future. Everything you can call conscious ends there, with your non functional death brain.

 

[Stan]

I'm so hoping there is something, and something better than this.

I fit pretty firmly in the category of "doesn't want to die, just can't stand living".

Actually, I really do want to live, just not on this miserable planet. I only want to die out of resignation, and I feel resentful of that. So, I guess all I'm left with is hoping that there is maybe something better hereafter?

If there isn't I guess I'll be none the wiser, it still bothers me though.

Any thoughts are appreciated.

You got to try and take time to look through the site using the search facility and browsing all the forums including the off topic one as there are a fair few threads on this subject already

 

[GeorgeJL]

I astral projected a few times so I know there is an afterlife. Besides that I've experienced ghosts a hand full of times throughout my life too.

 

[Barf]

You got to try and take time to look through the site using the search facility and browsing all the forums including the off topic one as there are a fair few threads on this subject already

I did browse through a couple, but they seemed to be more focused on the hope that consciousness ends after life, not continues. Also, they seemed to be inactive by a few/couple months and I was hoping to engage with people.

I didn't see, or don't remember seeing anything in the rules mentioning repeat post topics, but I am new here and still gaining my bearings. Thank you for your suggestions.

 

[Stan]

I did browse through a couple, but they seemed to be more focused on the hope that consciousness ends after life, not continues. Also, they seemed to be inactive by a few/couple months and I was hoping to engage with people.

I didn't see, or don't remember seeing anything in the rules mentioning repeat post topics, but I am new here and still gaining my bearings. Thank you for your suggestions.

Sorry if you thought I was wagging my finger at you in a headmaster way, wasn't intended like that at all. I'm not too long here myself and know that there is a ton of information and conversations surrounding this whole topic and philosophical thoughts surrounding the whole subject. I guess i was clumsily trying to be helpful but missed the mark perhaps. You can always reactivate old conversations about a subject you like and the thread goes back up to the top of the list. A belated welcome to you

 

[Barf]

Sorry if you thought I was wagging my finger at you in a headmaster way, wasn't intended like that at all. I'm not too long here myself and know that there is a ton of information and conversations surrounding this whole topic and philosophical thoughts surrounding the whole subject. I guess i was clumsily trying to be helpful but missed the mark perhaps. You can always reactivate old conversations about a subject you like and the thread goes back up to the top of the list. A belated welcome to you

No worries, I realize my last message could have come across as passive aggressive. Definitely wasn't meant to be, I genuinely do appreciate the pointers, there's a lot of info to sort through here and I'm kind of a hasty person haha.

Thanks btw, I'm really relieved to find this place.

I'm just so glad I can talk about suicidal thoughts without having to disguise them behind some pro-life veil.

 

[Blackjack]

You and I are opposites on this haha

That's the beauty of this place, opposing views but acceptance.

 

[Barf]

That's the beauty of this place, opposing views but acceptance.

I agree completely. I'm so glad to have found this place

 

[Alpha_Draco_Pegasus]

It's all nonsense. No belief or perspective over-profounds another. People who strongly believe in anything actually being true are idiots. People who believe nothing can be true are straight-up savage ballers. Never mind me, I'm just making stuff up. That's what we all do isn't it? None of it can be serious. Astral projection, one love, universal one-ness, all that hippy-dippy Eastern Hindu psychedelic shite, is just messed up rotten expired bologna. Consciousness doesn't even exist.

Sorry to be offensive to the believers, I've just got an attitude problem right now! Working through some emotional baggage!

Seriously though, believing in anything is a mistake. Just forget about thinking entirely, and become a brute, an animal, a caveman. Thinking is for fools.

 

[Barf]

It's all nonsense. No belief or perspective over-profounds another. People who strongly believe in anything actually being true are idiots. People who believe nothing can be true are straight-up savage ballers. Never mind me, I'm just making stuff up. That's what we all do isn't it? None of it can be serious. Astral projection, one love, universal one-ness, all that hippy-dippy Eastern Hindu psychedelic shite, is just messed up rotten expired bologna. Consciousness doesn't even exist.

Sorry to be offensive to the believers, I've just got an attitude problem right now! Working through some emotional baggage!

Seriously though, believing in anything is a mistake. Just forget about thinking entirely, and become a brute, an animal, a caveman. Thinking is for fools.

I've been all over the board with spirituality, was raised non-denominational Christian, was an atheist and a nihilist shortly thereafter. Eventually I was satisfied with just not knowing. I figured I'd figure it out when I got there, that is if there even is anything to figure out.

It's just, looking down the barrel of a loaded gun (so to speak) I can't help but to wonder again, especially since the idea of nonexistence makes me so nervous, there is more I'd like to see, just not "here".

I guess it's pointless so wonder, however. It's not like I have any say in what happens.

 

[Asta]

@Barf (really?) Anyway, this may be of help to you - look online for "The near-death experience of Jeff Olsen". Best wishes!

 

[Barf]

@Barf (really?) Anyway, this may be of help to you - look online for "The near-death experience of Jeff Olsen". Best wishes!

I will do! And yeah lol big John Candy fan.

 

[FighterOfTheNightman]

I have done a lot of psychedelic adventuring and I believe death isn't something to fear, at least, and possibly a transition to something greater.
At my most morbid I consider life a trap that escaping should be the goal of, to get to the "real place"..

 

[Soul]

The most well accepted theory is that there's no other side, heaven or hell or afterlife, once your brain cells die your cognitive capacity ends and with it ends all of yourself, all your memories, beliefs, ideals, morale, love, past, present and future. Everything you can call conscious ends there, with your non functional death brain.

But that's "the most well-accepted theory" only among people who believe it.

My conviction is that I can't even say "no one knows what happens when we die", because it may well be that someone does know, but even they might not feel sure about it. I'd like to say we'll find out someday, but that might not be true; maybe what happens to me isn't what happens to you. A sweet popular version is that we get what we believe in - maybe! Maybe not!

I'm curious. But maybe I shouldn't be.

 

[Shamana]

In Tibetan buddhism when our teacher dies, we usually end up meeting him/her's supposed reincarnation within 10 years. If you have close relationship with this person and you can basicly start where you left off then reincarnation seems pretty natural.

There are NDE's as well where people can describe clearly what's going on the in the emergency room without having any supposed brain function.

 

[FighterOfTheNightman]

I was once a Richard Dawkins supporting militant atheist. I went to a rally in Washington DC put on by Dawkins and others called the "Reason Rally"

I have seen things though in life, that make me doubt this is the last stop..

In Tibetan buddhism when our teacher dies, we usually end up meeting him/her's supposed reincarnation within 10 years. If you have close relationship with this person and you can basicly start where you left off then reincarnation seems pretty natural.

There are NDE's as well where people can describe clearly what's going on the in the emergency room without having any supposed brain function.

The ability of consciousness to seemingly travel, even in my own experience, lends me to believe that there may be purpose.. that somehow all experience may be being catalogued somewhere.. and perhaps.. we go to the next experience..
I would challenge a lot of people to try a good hefty dose of ketamine with some DMT or LSD or mushrooms and tell me what they think is or isn't possible anymore. ;)

That being said I've already decided to take my exit soon so, I might be biased.
Hopefully I don't end up in hell with some sort of devil raping me.. but in that scenario I'd probably act like I like it to antagonize him..

 

[hunthunt]

But that's "the most well-accepted theory" only among people who believe it.

My conviction is that I can't even say "no one knows what happens when we die", because it may well be that someone does know, but even they might not feel sure about it. I'd like to say we'll find out someday, but that might not be true; maybe what happens to me isn't what happens to you. A sweet popular version is that we get what we believe in - maybe! Maybe not!

I'm curious. But maybe I shouldn't be.

Yes we know what happens when we die for the most part at least, your neurochemical activity which manages your brain stops completely and with it your subjetive experiences.

Try hitting the front of your head with a hammer, you will probably go blind or lost your memory completely, or maybe.both.

Thats because every perception of existence its created in the brain.

 

[ish]

After his death, every man "exists" only in
in the memory of living people.

 

[FighterOfTheNightman]

It might be different for each person.

Who knows, maybe some of us back ourselves up in other dimensions when we try psychedelics. Maybe I wrote myself a DMT insurance policy. Ya never know.

 

[Dawn0071111]

No one has fully died (like dead over 24 hours) to come back with a report. We wont know until we go. I used to think there was consciousness after, now not really. The brain is capable of giving us some pretty phenomenal experinces.... NEAR DEATH experinces are not DEATH.... not the same. So all the reports to me are just dream states, and stuff that takes place as Brain loses oxygen, and other brain based phenomena..... people have personal experinces. Thats all thier own beliefs, but no conclusive evidence of any true afterlife

 

[ish]

I talked to the Rabbi about his experiences
on the verge of death (heart attack) - nothingness.

 

[Barf]

I was once a Richard Dawkins supporting militant atheist. I went to a rally in Washington DC put on by Dawkins and others called the "Reason Rally"

I have seen things though in life, that make me doubt this is the last stop..

The ability of consciousness to seemingly travel, even in my own experience, lends me to believe that there may be purpose.. that somehow all experience may be being catalogued somewhere.. and perhaps.. we go to the next experience..
I would challenge a lot of people to try a good hefty dose of ketamine with some DMT or LSD or mushrooms and tell me what they think is or isn't possible anymore. ;)

That being said I've already decided to take my exit soon so, I might be biased.
Hopefully I don't end up in hell with some sort of devil raping me.. but in that scenario I'd probably act like I like it to antagonize him..

Haha that comment made me laugh.

But yeah, the closer I inch to being ready to ctb, the more I start to wonder again. I don't think there's anything wrong in being hopeful in that regards, it's impossible to be unsatisfied with nonexistance if that's what it is anyway. And believing in nothing feels at times almost as foolish and arrogant as believing in something. Who are we to know? If there's even a possibility, I feel more at peace with my decision.

 

[Kikoo Loool]

You and I are opposites on this haha

Yeah, but in this place everyone tolerates other, oppositely to real life.

 

[Thorn]

I have posted this who knows how many times, and it may not be anything you are hoping for, but here it is again:

Ian Stevenson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Barf]

I have posted this who knows how many times, and it may not be anything you are hoping for, but here it is again:

Ian Stevenson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks, too sleepy to read now but I definitely will <3

 

[Thorn]

It even let me attach the book, it would not attach the previous times I tried, but now it seems to be here.