justfloating

justfloating

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Feb 13, 2020
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I lost my best friend because I was feeling suicidal and it kills me everyday to see her walking around.

Another person I was extremely close with has cut me off and come back three times now, I cant trust him but I cant leave him either. I think this is my final chance to be his friend before he cuts me off completely, so I need to make sure I don't fuck it up. He is the only person I will talk about by suicidal thoughts with (I have a councillor but won't discuss ctb) yet he has told me he doesn't want to know the heavy shit this time. I don't want to put him under unwanted stress, but if I cant calmly talk to him about it im going to have another 'crazy' episode.

He says he wants to be my friend, and I want it too, but its unfair that people only want me when I'm perfect
 
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I lost my best friend because I was feeling suicidal and it kills me everyday to see her walking around.

Another person I was extremely close with has cut me off and come back three times now, I cant trust him but I cant leave him either. I think this is my final chance to be his friend before he cuts me off completely, so I need to make sure I don't fuck it up. He is the only person I will talk about by suicidal thoughts with (I have a councillor but won't discuss ctb) yet he has told me he doesn't want to know the heavy shit this time. I don't want to put him under unwanted stress, but if I cant calmly talk to him about it im going to have another 'crazy' episode.

He says he wants to be my friend, and I want it too, but its unfair that people only want me when I'm perfect
Doesnt sound like a real friend to me :/ but i had the same issue with friends and im all alone right now. It hurted in the beginning but i'm felling better about it now. Do you skate?
 
stevieu

stevieu

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Feb 10, 2020
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I lost my best friend because I was feeling suicidal and it kills me everyday to see her walking around.

Another person I was extremely close with has cut me off and come back three times now, I cant trust him but I cant leave him either. I think this is my final chance to be his friend before he cuts me off completely, so I need to make sure I don't fuck it up. He is the only person I will talk about by suicidal thoughts with (I have a councillor but won't discuss ctb) yet he has told me he doesn't want to know the heavy shit this time. I don't want to put him under unwanted stress, but if I cant calmly talk to him about it im going to have another 'crazy' episode.

He says he wants to be my friend, and I want it too, but its unfair that people only want me when I'm perfect

A lot of people don't know how to react or what to say in that situation. It's not always because they don't care, they just don't know how to go about helping. I think it's hard to talk about CTB to anyone other than people who have been in this situation themselves. That's why I feel so much comfort here - we can all relate in some way.

Anyway, I hope you stay friends. And there are people here you can talk to, so try not to go crazy! :)
 
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justfloating

justfloating

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Doesnt sound like a real friend to me :/ but i had the same issue with friends and im all alone right now. It hurted in the beginning but i'm felling better about it now. Do you skate?
nah I just saw a Tony Hawk meme I found funny where it said skmateboard
A lot of people don't know how to react or what to say in that situation. It's not always because they don't care, they just don't know how to go about helping. I think it's hard to talk about CTB to anyone other than people who have been in this situation themselves. That's why I feel so much comfort here - we can all relate in some way.

Anyway, I hope you stay friends. And there are people here you can talk to, so try not to go crazy! :)
all I ever want from people if for them to say 'what do you need from me' or something, cus all I want is for them to talk to me and hang etc. but no-one cares enough to do that
 
stevieu

stevieu

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Feb 10, 2020
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all I ever want from people if for them to say 'what do you need from me' or something, cus all I want is for them to talk to me and hang etc. but no-one cares enough to do that

I get you. I've learnt that being able to talk about feeling suicidial just falls on deaf ears to anyone who hasn't experienced those thoughts or feelings. I mean, I have a really good mate, but I couldn't imagine talking to him about this stuff because I know he would feel uncomfortable or not know what to say. He's a good mate in other ways, so I can live with that. I just don't share this real 'deep stuff' with him.

But either way, at least we can vent our frustrations here and not be judged.
 
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Beautiful_Disgrace

Beautiful_Disgrace

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Mar 8, 2020
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I don't even talk about being suicidal but my friends only want to be around me when I feel happy. I cried in front of my best friend about being homeless and she just ignored me for the most part. But I try not to let myself feel bitter towards them, it seems like finding anyone remotely emotionally intelligent with my interests is impossible. At the same time, I've been withdrawing from everyone because the relationships feel fake when I'm at my lowest. It's a terrible feeling.
 
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Feb 28, 2020
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I think people freak out over 'the deep shit'. Like, they don't want to say anything that will make you feel worse and push you over the edge because they'll feel it's their fault and they'll have to live with that. That said, as someone who's experienced intense suicidal feelings for a long time, it would be nice to be heard. Tbf I don't feel comfortable talking about my wishes to ctb to friends or family so I just don't do it. I've just kind of closed myself off and put on a fake smile because I don't want to worry people. Kind of sucks as I'd like to just pour my heart out without scaring people or them think I'm saying it for attention.
 
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lostangel

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Mar 22, 2019
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I lost all my friends because of depression and because of them moving on with their lives. I have nobody.
 
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pillow933

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Mar 7, 2020
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I think it's difficult to automatically expect your closest friends to be willing to talk about something as serious as this tbh, as others have said some people will have experienced being in a similar situation to you and others will have absolutely no clue what it's like. Some may be more aversive to talking about personal things despite being very close, others may be completely open about everything and anything with you.

I guess it's hard to know what a person's limit is when it comes to what they'll be okay with talking about, but if you're close friends with him then I'm sure you have a good idea. All I'd say is that for the sake of the friendship it's best not to push it further than that, at least not too quickly.
 
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GoodPersonEffed

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Another person I was extremely close with has cut me off and come back three times now, I cant trust him but I cant leave him either. I think this is my final chance to be his friend before he cuts me off completely, so I need to make sure I don't fuck it up. He is the only person I will talk about by suicidal thoughts with (I have a councillor but won't discuss ctb) yet he has told me he doesn't want to know the heavy shit this time. I don't want to put him under unwanted stress, but if I cant calmly talk to him about it im going to have another 'crazy' episode.

He says he wants to be my friend, and I want it too, but its unfair that people only want me when I'm perfect

I hear that you're hurting and am sending compassion.

I also want to offer a different perspective in the hopes it will help you.

Your friend *wants* to be your friend. He has several different wells from which you can get healthy water, but that particular well is dry. He needs to replenish it so that he has enough resources for his own emotional health, if you try to tap into it again, he will take away from you *all* of his wells. He is practicing healthy boundaries with you, this makes him a good and trustworthy friend. Maybe you provide benefits for him also, maybe he enjoys partaking of your wells of friendship and common interests.

Here is an example from outside of you so that maybe you can see without it feeling personal.

I had two friends for several years.

Friend A became a student in a demanding program for the limited time of a couple years. Friend B wanted to spend time with Friend A, but Friend A did not have the time to spare. The resources of that well were already spoken for and were very low. Friend B was bored. She called Friend A selfish and tried to lay guilt trips on her so that she would give in and hang out, rather than find something else to relieve her boredom, that is, find another well.

Friend B also made a personal life choice. She decided to do an illegal profession part-time. She told me about it. I told her I could be her friend, but that I didn't want to hear anything about the job. We had mutual interests and other topics of conversation, a long history, and we liked each other. She agreed, and we remained close friends, but a month later, she complained that the job was a major portion of her life, and she wanted to talk about it, that she couldn't *not* talk about it. So for several months I tried to listen without judgment, to laugh at some of the stories, to care about things she experienced in those stories. But I was still bothered by the fact she was doing the job, and being made to listen about it took more from my well of friendship and compassion than I was willing to give. I did not have the resources to both accept her choice and listen to her talk about enacting it. It hurt me to listen. It took from me. So I finally told her that I could no longer accept what she was doing, took responsibility for my feelings about it without judging her, ended the friendship for my own emotional health, and replenished my inner resources.

Friend A still maintains a limited friendship with Friend B, but Friend A regularly has to reinforce her boundaries about her time, which drains from her wells, which Friend B does not replenish with support for choosing a difficult field of study that will provide good foundations for Friend A's future. Every time she mentions Friend B, Friend A is frustrated and not enjoying the friendship.

I have no more complaints about Friend B. I wish her the best and love her from afar, and I am relieved she can't draw from my wells anymore, which are full again and serve me so that I have more than enough for myself and can share the surplus with others, such as I do here on SS.

Does that perspective help at all?
 
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justfloating

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I hear that you're hurting and am sending compassion.

I also want to offer a different perspective in the hopes it will help you.

Your friend *wants* to be your friend. He has several different wells from which you can get healthy water, but that particular well is dry. He needs to replenish it so that he has enough resources for his own emotional health, if you try to tap into it again, he will take away from you *all* of his wells. He is practicing healthy boundaries with you, this makes him a good and trustworthy friend. Maybe you provide benefits for him also, maybe he enjoys partaking of your wells of friendship and common interests.

Here is an example from outside of you so that maybe you can see without it feeling personal.

I had two friends for several years.

Friend A became a student in a demanding program for the limited time of a couple years. Friend B wanted to spend time with Friend A, but Friend A did not have the time to spare. The resources of that well were already spoken for and were very low. Friend B was bored. She called Friend A selfish and tried to lay guilt trips on her so that she would give in and hang out, rather than find something else to relieve her boredom, that is, find another well.

Friend B also made a personal life choice. She decided to do an illegal profession part-time. She told me about it. I told her I could be her friend, but that I didn't want to hear anything about the job. We had mutual interests and other topics of conversation, a long history, and we liked each other. She agreed, and we remained close friends, but a month later, she complained that the job was a major portion of her life, and she wanted to talk about it, that she couldn't *not* talk about it. So for several months I tried to listen without judgment, to laugh at some of the stories, to care about things she experienced in those stories. But I was still bothered by the fact she was doing the job, and being made to listen about it took more from my well of friendship and compassion than I was willing to give. I did not have the resources to both accept her choice and listen to her talk about enacting it. It hurt me to listen. It took from me. So I finally told her that I could no longer accept what she was doing, took responsibility for my feelings about it without judging her, ended the friendship for my own emotional health, and replenished my inner resources.

Friend A still maintains a limited friendship with Friend B, but Friend A regularly has to reinforce her boundaries about her time, which drains from her wells, which Friend B does not replenish with support for choosing a difficult field of study that will provide good foundations for Friend A's future. Every time she mentions Friend B, Friend A is frustrated and not enjoying the friendship.

I have no more complaints about Friend B. I wish her the best and love her from afar, and I am relieved she can't draw from my wells anymore, which are full again and serve me so that I have more than enough for myself and can share the surplus with others, such as I do here on SS.

Does that perspective help at all?
yeah. I guess I will end up not talking to him about anything but it just really fucking sucks. when I asked him what it means for us to be friends he said to help each other, but he doesn't want to help me. im trying to figure out where I stand with him because he wants to restart the friendship slowly, but its so confusing for me
 

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