Concerning the term self-murderer

[noname223]

In the German language there is a discussion whether to call someone who has ctb self-murderer. There is a difference between self-murder (Selbstmord) and suicide (Suizid). With the term self-murder(er) you imply that someone has murdered oneself. The term murder has a negative connotation. To murder someone is often used when someone has vile intentions whereas a suicide can have good reasons or might be just an act of desperation.
I never use the the term self-murder(er). I prefer killing onneself (Selbsttötung) and suicide. Due to that fact they have less negative connotation.

I am not sure whether this discussion is helpful. It might reduce the stigmatization and might let people think about the fact that suicide is not an evil act.
On the other hand this might be just an academic language game which won't change anything.
Not sure about it. What do you think?

 

[BottomlessPit]

I prefer Suizid due to its neutral connotations, but Selbstmord sounds way more metal. In the end I don't care too much if people think badly of suicide and reflect that in their language use, their opinion is irrelevant to me as long as they don't impose their views on others.

 

[Sebuet]

Petition to call selbstmörder "vergesse Menschen"

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, the term 'self murder' does have negative connotations, I agree with what you are saying. Murder implies a criminal act, and suicide is not that, it should be seen as a human right to exit this life when we decide to, as we did not ask to be alive in the first place. I personally prefer the term 'ended their own life'. I think avoiding terms like that could reduce the stigma of suicide.

 

[Callie Arcale]

Selbstmord sounds way more metal.

I just imagined a really intricate black metal logo :-) So intricate that no one can read it he he he

 

[Deleted member 8579]

"Suizid" is technically not a "real" German word, as it is directly derived from the Latin "sui caedere", i.e. "(to) kill oneself".
Besides "Selbsttötung" there are also the archaic "Selbstentleibung/Entleibung" and "Freitod", a poetic variant coined by Nietzsche.

"Freitod" is the best synonym. "Selbstmord" (=murder of the self) carries a negative connotation, while the others are entirely neutral. "Freitod" is not only free of any judgmental undertones, but underlines the determination behind this action, i.e. the person wanted to kill himself out of their own volition.

In French exists a highly poetic expression for suicide: "Se donner la mort", which may be translated as "(to) give oneself death".

 

[Meliæ]

In French : un suicide = a suicide se suicider = to commit suicide
Se donner la mort litteraly to give oneself death
Or more trivial "se foutre en l'air" literally to fuck up oneself

More poetic, no murder involved

 

[VivantMort]

In French : un suicide = a suicide se suicider = to commit suicide
Se donner la mort litteraly to give oneself death
Or more trivial "se foutre en l'air" literally to fuck up oneself

More poetic, no murder involved

Comme j'adore la langue française. Même quand on décrit <<le langage du suicide>>, poétiquement ou autrement, ça sonne si belle.

 

[Meliæ]

Comme j'adore la langue française. Même quand on décrit <<le suicide>>, poétiquement ou autrement, ça sonne si belle.

Oui, c'est beau.

Also, à zombie is un '' mort-vivant" haha

 

[VivantMort]

Oui, c'est beau.

Also, à zombie is un '' mort-vivant" haha

Ah ah, c'est génial ! L'envers c'est cool... mais <<le verlan>> m'échappe presque toujours. Vachement difficile pour un amérloque à comprendre mais j'adore les expressions argotique en français... très futé à mon avis.

Et je me demandais... est-ce que l'envers de Feuilles-Mortes (Mortes-Feuilles) signifie quelque chose? Probablement non, mais le contraire c'est les Feuilles- Vivantes, n-est-ce pas?

 

[Makko]

Self-assassination sounds even cooler. How would that sound in original Arabic?

 

[Meliæ]

Ah ah, c'est génial ! L'envers c'est cool... mais <<le verlan>> m'échappe presque toujours. Vachement difficile pour un amérloque à comprendre mais j'adore les expressions argotique en français... très futé à mon avis.

Et je me demandais... est-ce que l'envers de Feuilles-Mortes (Mortes-Feuilles) signifie quelque chose? Probablement non, mais le contraire c'est les Feuilles- Vivantes, n-est-ce pas?

It's not verlan...
Verlan is not even understandable for us.

This is only a '' mot composé'' meaning zombie.

Mortes feuilles ou feuilles mortes you can say both. Des feuilles vivantes it's also possible depends of the season

 

[Luchs]

In the German language there is a discussion whether to call someone who has ctb self-murderer. There is a difference between self-murder (Selbstmord) and suicide (Suizid). With the term self-murder(er) you imply that someone has murdered oneself. The term murder has a negative connotation. To murder someone is often used when someone has vile intentions whereas a suicide can have good reasons or might be just an act of desperation.
I never use the the term self-murder(er). I prefer killing onneself (Selbsttötung) and suicide. Due to that fact they have less negative connotation.

I am not sure whether this discussion is helpful. It might reduce the stigmatization and might let people think about the fact that suicide is not an evil act.
On the other hand this might be just an academic language game which won't change anything.
Not sure about it. What do you think?

Idk, I like the term "Freitod", but "Selbstmord" is the most commonly ised one, so I use it when talking about the subject.

 

[VivantMort]

It's not verlan...
Verlan is not even understandable for us.

This is only a '' mot composé'' meaning zombie.

Mortes feuilles ou feuilles mortes you can say both. Des feuilles vivantes it's also possible depends of the season

Ouais je pige... le verlan c'est pratiquement incompréhensible même pour les francophones natifs, comme certains de mes amis français m'ont dit. Concernant les feuilles, les feuilles vivantes et mortes existent à chaque saison, de mon point de vue, mais pour la plupart vous avez raison... ça dépend de la saison. Moi j'aime mieux les feuilles d'automne... they're like brilliantly colored "zombie leaves" :)

 

[Marktheghost]

Murder is just unlawful killing; so if suicide is illegal it is murder.
Suicide is killing yourself, whether it's unlawful or not.
So I suppose it is just an academic language game which won't change anything.