Concern: vomiting on N

[cloudb685]

Assuming downing 200ml of N is possible without gagging (going to guess yes, have had ayasuasca before in similar measure, cannot be worse than that, as was worse than the ass of asses)

- if don't vomit how long till 100% dead?
- if do vomit how long till 100% dead?

Cannot fuck this up. Has to be guaranteed.





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[PeacefulTonic]

No vomiting, around 25 min to 2 hours. Benzos and alcohol could speed up time to death.

If you do vomit, my guess is you need somewhere around 36-48 hours to not be found

 

[Smart No More]

Anti emetics are not to be overlooked. Whilst there are accounts of people vomiting on AE's it's undeniable that in most instances thwy help people avoid vomiting. Also Meto increases the speed of gastric transit which will help with the time to death. I was reading the KNMG-KNMP euthanasia guide which ia used for the euthanasia guidance at assisted suicide organisations and it has some good info on the whole thing. If you search 'KNMG-KNMP euthanasia' you should find the download link for the pdf of the full document.

 

[cloudb685]

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No vomiting, around 25 min to 2 hours. Benzos and alcohol could speed up time to death.

If you do vomit, my guess is you need somewhere around 36-48 hours to not be found

Guess is not helpful.

Is this method guaranteed? Is there any data on successful attempts? (Via oral consumption of veterinary N, NOT dignitas etc). Has anyone actually done this & suceeded?

If veterinary N isn't guaranteed it's no better than any other option bar train / high jump.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Many people on this site use vet N to successfully ctb. You just need to give yourself enough time to not be found and saved

 

[cloudb685]

Many people on this site use vet N to successfully ctb. You just need to give yourself enough time to not be found and saved

Can you link to evidence of these successes?

 

[PeacefulTonic]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/which-members-used-n.33937/

 

[cloudb685]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/which-members-used-n.33937/

No proof of anything on that thread. A few 'assumptions' & the rest vague chatter.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

No proof of anything on that thread. A few 'assumptions' & the rest vague chatter.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-time-has-come.77383/

Mod confirmed death via obituary. I don't know what more you can expect. You also have to account for people who order N and don't make goodbye threads. And you won't truly know unless you know their real name/know them in real life, or see it in an obituary. I'm sure there are a bunch of lurkers who order N and have successfully ctb as well.

N is the best you're gonna get. If you can't give yourself enough time to not be found, perhaps you should look into another method

 

[cloudb685]

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[PeacefulTonic]

If you can easily find space and time to not be found, I don't see why you are worrying so much. The only reason the people who vomit survived, was because they were found and saved.

And I never said I'd ctb in August. I thought it would September, then October, now it's already November. I get more depressed as time goes on. And I keep pushing the affairs I have to get in order. Hopefully it'll be soon though.

And as for D, there's too much fear mongering on this site that makes people hesitant to order. So I share my experience to help alleviate peoples' fear in regards to that

 

[cloudb685]

If you can easily find space and time to not be found, I don't see why you are worrying so much. The only reason the people who vomit survived, was because they were found and saved.

And I never said I'd ctb in August. I thought it would September, then October, now it's already November. I get more depressed as time goes on. And I keep pushing the affairs I have to get in order. Hopefully it'll be soon though.

And as for D, there's too much fear mongering on this site that makes people hesitant to order. So I share my experience to help alleviate peoples' fear in regards to that

Worry is that if vomit, will survive no matter how long am undisturbed. I'd like to see proof.

When it comes to that final drink, I don't want uncertainty.

Your first post sounded like an echo.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

There's no proof then. Follow the protocol hope for the best

 

[PassingThrough]

Ideally we would all be shooting SN/N, rather than drinking it. IV is better than oral because it eliminates the risk of vomiting/nausea and, to my understanding, requires a much, much lower quantity of SN/N to ctb successfully.

But I don't know. Maybe getting hold of a syringe, finding a vein and administering the drug by yourself is not that easy. Then again Heroin users do it every day...

 

[healthrecovery]

Exactly what i worry about throwing up and it not being good enough to ctb

 

[healthrecovery]

How the f long it takes to ctb on N actually..don't want to be found and saved

 

[Smart No More]

Most people seem to take a few mins to 3hrs. In some circumstances it can take much longer. 24hours+. But it is apparently quite rare. If you want to read the guidlines used in euthenasia facilities search the forum for KNMG-KNMP-euthanasia and you should find a thread with a download link for the pdf. It's contains some good info and is more reliable than posts on a forum. :)

 

[eternalmelancholy]

How the f long it takes to ctb on N actually..don't want to be found and saved

You will lose consciousness within minutes even if death doesn't come immediately. As long as you are not found right away death is guaranteed. It is the best method available. At some point you just have to do it even if it is scary. It beats hanging yourself or jumping from height, that is for sure.

 

[sfabians]

What is the maximum amount of time to finish ctb with 100ml?

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Ideally we would all be shooting SN/N, rather than drinking it. IV is better than oral because it eliminates the risk of vomiting/nausea and, to my understanding, requires a much, much lower quantity of SN/N to ctb successfully.

But I don't know. Maybe getting hold of a syringe, finding a vein and administering the drug by yourself is not that easy. Then again Heroin users do it every day...

You can't inject N with a syringe yourself. You'll pass out and fail

What is the maximum amount of time to finish ctb with 100ml?

Probably a couple minutes max, if you're talking about the time you have to drink it that is

 

[Smart No More]

What is the maximum amount of time to finish ctb with 100ml?

Please be careful of believing advice on a forum. It's wise to seak out multiple accounts before assuming anything you read to be correct. If you can find an official source of info all the better.

Truth is nobody can really answer your question specifically.

 

[sfabians]

You can't inject N with a syringe yourself. You'll pass out and fail

Probably a couple minutes max, if you're talking about the time you have to drink it that is

Sorry , I mean After drinking 100ml, what's The most it will take to complete ctb? Thanks

 

[After Life]

I don't think any one could truly give you any exact info on those questions. Like with all things it depends on the individual everybody is different and would react differently. There are a few post where a few have tried and failed this method your best bet is to read those post that's the closest you're gonna get to the answers you seek. There are a no guarantee for any method all have chances to fail or go wrong some how. That's the hard truth I'm sorry to say.

 

[PassingThrough]

You can't inject N with a syringe yourself. You'll pass out and fail

Good point!

 

[Smart No More]

Good point!

Still, the general idea remain the same. Finding a vein etc. It's then a case of setting up a suitable automated system to keep the solution flowing. It's been suggested that a drip or pump could work but there are technicalities that need thinking over.

Does anybody know any specifics about Philip Neitzche's 'death machine'? It was an automated system in a brief case that the user would push a key on (it was computerised using a laptop I think) and it would start the flow of the N. It's in a museum now and I'm not sure why it never got used again. I'm thinking it may have been hard monetize without legal ramifications. That and the probable need for a medical assistant of some kind to insert a canula to a vein. I'm not sure what solution was used either. It may be that it was designed to use less than 200ml of vetinary liquid. Perhaps that's a big issue now I think about.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Anti emetics are not to be overlooked. Whilst there are accounts of people vomiting on AE's it's undeniable that in most instances thwy help people avoid vomiting. Also Meto increases the speed of gastric transit which will help with the time to death. I was reading the KNMG-KNMP euthanasia guide which ia used for the euthanasia guidance at assisted suicide organisations and it has some good info on the whole thing. If you search 'KNMG-KNMP euthanasia' you should find the download link for the pdf of the full document.

I looked at this document and it outlines some interesting info.

Begin administering metoclopramide one day (twelve hours) in advance. Preferably, it should be administered according to the following schedule: 12 hours, 6 hours and 1 hour before the euthanasia procedure.

I was just going to take 30mg of meto 1 hour prior to N. But would it be wiser to split it into 3 doses? Does it even matter?

Does anybody know any specifics about Philip Neitzche's 'death machine'? It was an automated system in a brief case that the user would push a key on (it was computerised using a laptop I think) and it would start the flow of the N. It's in a museum now and I'm not sure why it never got used again. I'm thinking it may have been hard monetize without legal ramifications. That and the probable need for a medical assistant of some kind to insert a canula to a vein. I'm not sure what solution was used either. It may be that it was designed to use less than 200ml of vetinary liquid. Perhaps that's a big issue now I think about.

Unless you have medical training, I think it is easier just to drink the N. Hooking up an IV or assembling an automated system sounds very complicated for the average person. Maybe someone who has experience in this field can 3d print a prototype.

 

[Smart No More]

I looked at this document and it outlines some interesting info.

Begin administering metoclopramide one day (twelve hours) in advance. Preferably, it should be administered according to the following schedule: 12 hours, 6 hours and 1 hour before the euthanasia procedure.

I was just going to take 30mg of meto 1 hour prior to N. But would it be wiser to split it into 3 doses? Does it even matter?





Unless you have medical training, I think it is easier just to drink the N. Hooking up an IV or assembling an automated system sounds very complicated for the average person. Maybe someone who has experience in this field can 3d print a prototype.

I'm not sure about thw N regimen but I think for anybody with stomach issues and/or opiod use they would probably fair better from a 12hr or even 24hr regimen in order to empty the stomach properly and speed up absorbtion of the N. For people with a healthy digestive system I think they could get away with less but with a healthy digestive system I kind of think vomiting is more likely just because vomiting is a healthy response tova foreign body/poison introduced to it. Therefore my thinking is that there would be more agument for using a proton pump inhibitor to stop the peoduction of bile/acid as that's what your body produces a lot of in order to facilitate vomiting. The metoclopramide is different in its function in that it blocks the signal of sickness and the thing that prompts vomiting. The two things used together would have a stronger effect in avoiding vomiting. So for a healthy person I think that's sensible. It would have to be a personal choice as to your meto dose and when yoy would take it but stat doses are now being recommend as a mix of meto and zofran. I think it may be 20 or 30mg meto and 8mg zofran. Somebody may be able confirm/correct me on those numbers as my memory isn't great.


As far as setting up the necessary stuff for an IV I agree, it's definitely not for the majoriry of people. Drinking is obviously a lot easier. It just doesn't suit everyone as there are people who suffer gastric issues and in these cases it's much more problematic. Doesn't hurt to look into the possibility of persuing another method of consumption if you think you could potentially do it.

 

[Johnjohn1]

I'm not sure about thw N regimen but I think for anybody with stomach issues and/or opiod use they would probably fair better from a 12hr or wven 24hr regimen in order to empty the stomach properly and speed up absorbtion of the N. For people with a healthy digestive system I think they could get away with less but with a healthy digestive system I kind of think vomiting is more likely just because vomiting is a healthy response tova foreign body/poison introduced to it. Therefore my thinking is that there would be more agument for using a proton pump inhibitor to stop the peoduction of bile/acid as that's what your body produces a lot of in order to facilitate vomiting. The metoclopramide is different in its function in that it blocks the signal of sickness and the thing that prompts vomiting. The two things used together would have a stronger effect in avoiding vomiting. So for a healthy person I think that's sensible. It would have to be a personal choice as to your meto dose and when yoy would take it but stat doses are now being recommend as a mix of meto and zofran. I think it may be 20 or 30mg meto and 8mg zofran. Somebody may be able confirm/correct me on those numbers as my memory isn't great.


As far as setting up the necessary stuff for an IV I agree, it's definitely not for the majoriry of people. Drinking is obviously a lot easier. It just doesn't suit everyone as there are people who suffer gastric issues and in these cases it's much more problematic. Doesn't hurt to look into the possibility of persuing another method of consumption if you think you could potentially do it.

How would opioids come into play with N?

 

[Smart No More]

How would opioids come into play with N?

The guidance for facilities offering assisted euthanasia is that opiods are often used by ill and/or elderly people and that they slow gasteic transit. It says that it's not ideal as a result because it can slow the time it takes for N absorbtion. I can say for certain as I'm not a medical professional but I don't imagine it would be as much of an issue to somebody with a healthy digestive system that fasts and uses meto. It's worth reading for yourself if you're inclined. If you search KNMG - KNMP euthanasia you shoud find the thread that had the pdf download link. It's a useful read.
I get the impression (from reading the guidelines mentioned) that it largely of concern to thwm because it can prolong the comatose phase and its awkward foe family or friends attending the process. It says something about this, mentioning that it can 3hr+ and that if it gets to two hours it's best to step in. It seems like they really prefer to avoid doing that. Understandably. Probably loads more paperwork and potential legal hoops to jumo through. It's just a bit awkward all round when you imagine the situation with loved ones present.

 

[Butterflyfree]

You will lose consciousness within minutes even if death doesn't come immediately. As long as you are not found right away death is guaranteed. It is the best method available. At some point you just have to do it even if it is scary. It beats hanging yourself or jumping from height, that is for sure.

What causes death to occur from N?

The guidance for facilities offering assisted euthanasia is that opiods are often used by ill and/or elderly people and that they slow gasteic transit. It says that it's not ideal as a result because it can slow the time it takes for N absorbtion. I can say for certain as I'm not a medical professional but I don't imagine it would be as much of an issue to somebody with a healthy digestive system that fasts and uses meto. It's worth reading for yourself if you're inclined. If you search KNMG - KNMP euthanasia you shoud find the thread that had the pdf download link. It's a useful read.
I get the impression (from reading the guidelines mentioned) that it largely of concern to thwm because it can prolong the comatose phase and its awkward foe family or friends attending the process. It says something about this, mentioning that it can 3hr+ and that if it gets to two hours it's best to step in. It seems like they really prefer to avoid doing that. Understandably. Probably loads more paperwork and potential legal hoops to jumo through. It's just a bit awkward all round when you imagine the situation with loved ones present.

I have gastric issues, gastroparesis and I take oxycodone for many years now due to heavy pain. That's why I decided N or SN wouldn't be a good option for me. So I'll be riding the Nitrogen