Discussion Comparisons between abortion and the right to die

[Amumu]

In the 1960s in Western countries, abortion was an extremely controversial topic.
In the 2020s in Western countries, the right to die is an extremely controversial topic.

Abortion was legalised in the 1970s in most Western countries.
The fight has just begun. We'll have our right to die in the next decades.
Like a suicide cabin in Futurama.

Take care,

Amumu

 

[motel rooms]

We'll have our right to die in the next decades.

I'm so excited, I just can't hide it

 

[DeathWish77]

I highly doubt it. Once you're out of the womb, people are just all too eager to take advantage of you. They see you out and moving around in the world and see something that can be exploited.

I'll believe it when I see it with legal assisted suicide. Because the government makes the laws. And they want you alive and producing for them.

Plus, even if it is legalized, there will still be major interference by psychiatry, the science of control and abuse. There would be numerous impossible hoops to jump through.

Yes, I really hope one day there is a law that allows for peaceful deliverance for any person that wants it. But, I don't believe a society will ever allow that. Because a society is inherently selfish, and you dying is not aligned with what society wants.

 

[Pluto]

I predict that there will definitely be progress, at least in terms of voluntary euthanasia. However, there are genuine ethical issues if, for example, young people wanting their inheritance early 'persuade' their parents that they are no longer of use.

What we need for starters is 'grown-up' debate and discussion, not a complete dismissal of RTD because it offends religious special interest groups and such. All that's needed is an outcome that any reasonable person could find humane, well-considered and fair.

 

[Amumu]

I predict that there will definitely be progress, at least in terms of voluntary euthanasia. However, there are genuine ethical issues if, for example, young people wanting their inheritance early 'persuade' their parents that they are no longer of use.

What we need for starters is 'grown-up' debate and discussion, not a complete dismissal of RTD because it offends religious special interest groups and such. All that's needed is an outcome that any reasonable person could find humane, well-considered and fair.

Speak about it. Everywhere.
In the media, with link-minded people, or anonymously.
Maybe start organising to start protests.

I want my fucking right to die.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do hope so. It should be a basic human right. It is cruel denying us it, when animals are allowed it. However where I live in the UK, a terminally ill man lost a court case challenging these laws, so I doubt it will be legalised any time soon. There has been progress in many other countries which is promising though.

 

[lmon]

Can someone help me with this argument ; abortion is unsafe bc it may harm the mom, MAID is unsafe bc it's killing a person, that they have nothing to do with each other….

 

[Cathy Ames]

abortion is unsafe bc it may harm the mom,

This is false. Abortion is actually safer than pregnancy and childbirth, particularly the ones done in the first trimester which is the vast majority. That is true when evaluated by comparing death rates and also when you look at the woman's health status five years later.

 

[lmon]

This is false. Abortion is actually safer than pregnancy and childbirth, particularly the ones done in the first trimester which is the vast majority. That is true when evaluated by comparing death rates and also when you look at the woman's health status five years later.

Yes that's what I've heard it's safer than childbirth

 

[Cathy Ames]

Yes that's what I've heard it's safer than childbirth, but I don't think that fact would matter to them, what else can I say

I misunderstood, thinking you were repeating what YOU believed. Yeah, that one is total b.s. It isn't really about that at all.

 

[lmon]

This is false. Abortion is actually safer than pregnancy and childbirth, particularly the ones done in the first trimester which is the vast majority. That is true when evaluated by comparing death rates and also when you look at the woman's health status five years later.

Yes that's what I've heard legally safer than childbirth

I misunderstood, thinking you were repeating what YOU believed. Yeah, that one is total b.s. It isn't really about that at all.

oh, and they meant abortion should be legal bc DIY abortions harm the mom, so they should be legal to save moms life. But Maid should be illegal bc it harms ppl…..

 

[Cathy Ames]

oh, and they meant abortion should be legal bc DIY abortions harm the mom, so they should be legal to save moms lofe. But Maid should be illegal bc it harms ppl…..

Based on the OP, I'm not sure that the rest of the world realizes what's currently happening in the US, but nationwide legal abortion may not exist for very much longer.

 

[lmon]

Based on the OP, I'm not sure that the rest of the world realizes what's currently happening in the US, but nationwide legal abortion may not exist for very much longer.

But the point is is should stay legal just like rtd should become legal rite. Anyway I'm trying to think of a come back for someone saying the reason abortion was legalized was bc in the back alley ones moms were dying, and that euthinasia should stay illegal bc it would make people die where as legal abortion helps people live by not having a botched operation….

 

[its-about-time]

I've heard pro-life arguments about how the fetus (sorry, child) doesn't get a choice in the matter and should not be terminated because of that. So, implying that one's preference/decision/ability to advocate for oneself is important in life-or-death decisions.

Well, what about us adults... we are capable of determining our preference for living/dying and making decisions to end our own lives... yet it means nothing. It's a double standard.

 

[lmon]

I've heard pro-life arguments about how the fetus (sorry, child) doesn't get a choice in the matter and should not be terminated because of that. So, implying that one's preference/decision/ability to advocate for oneself is important in life-or-death decisions.

Well, what about us adults... we are capable of determining our preference for living/dying and making decisions to end our own lives... yet it means nothing. It's a double standard.

I think since we want it that makes us not competent, (unless hot here is a bad physical problem) bc it
F it is mental, how can we be competent and want to ctb , they'll just pat us on the head and say they know what's best for us, we don't. Smh

 

[callme]

I think since we want it that makes us not competent, (unless hot here is a bad physical problem) bc it
F it is mental, how can we be competent and want to ctb , they'll just pat us on the head and say they know what's best for us, we don't. Smh

How so? How can competency be established, on a subject like suicide? To answer you and I'm sure you knew, one can be competent and want to die, because they can accurately judge their life circumstances, and if they can, how is a medical establishment any better?

If you are say, 30, you've got a known ilness that impacts you bad enough you feel, key word feel, worse and worse, withiut knowing how bad is it going to end (it means you would technically know when you stop functioning otherwise) and estimate it' be up to 40. If that's a wild guess and you can be dismissed by a doctor, how are they any better if they say you could easily live to 60?

What would happen if you did indeed live to 60, but with your ilness only getting worse? At what cost?

Plus, people in despair wanting to die so a medical option for it must be banned sounds like people wsnting to go outside walk on the street and can be hit by a car, so maybe ban walking.

I am sorry if I misunderstood you, only trying to say that both cases can be easily made and dismissed.