Christians claim we will go to hell and suffer for all eternity.

[cursum.perficio]

Abrahamic religions are all a scourge to mankind. The worst thing the Romans did was was make Christianity the official religion of the empire and spread a desert cult to Europe.

 

[Emily123]

I don't call myself christian but This is a long time that I am going to chruch every Sunday . If I kill myself god really needs to come forward and hug me with love for whatever that he did to me . He did not even give me a body that belongs to my gender . He did not help me in any surgery that I did . I was suffering in my loneliness and no body could hear when I was crying from pain

 

[Lost in a Dream]

I don't call myself christian but This is a long time that I am going to chruch every Sunday . If I kill myself god really needs to come forward and hug me with love for whatever that he did to me . He did not even give me a body that belongs to my gender . He did not help me in any surgery that I did . I was suffering in my loneliness and no body could hear when I was crying from pain

I hope that he is able to do that for you, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for that. A god that would do something like this to you (especially if it is the Biblical one) can't possibly care about you. If the Christians are right, then all of us are screwed, because the Abrahamic god has got to be the most sadistic, petty, and controlling narcissist that has ever existed. I'm sorry for the things you went through, but it might be the case that hugs from people who understand your situation is the best you will be able to get.

 

[Cashewmilk]

Same story in all Abrahamic faiths, Islam and Judaism as well. Not only unique to Catholicism or Christianity. In Islam, hell is described great detail, it says that in hell your skin gets turned inside out and gets poured on with boiling liquid. Lots of torture is discussed, sadistic, all in middle eastern settings and climate, and plants... clearly the people who wrote the religious books never knew other climate existed all the holy books including the Bible all have scientific inaccuracies. They're not real. It's a fact I'm sorry but it just is... you can believe what you want though.

Hell and suicide is the reason why I became an atheist. I've been suicidal for 20 years but when I was 20 years old I was really thinking hard about it. I was terrified of hell, I had to know for sure if it really existed. I spent a year studying religion, history, biology and evolution, and read the holy books. I was so shocked and devastated to learn the real truth. We're all alone in the universe, there is no god or creator that has ever spoken to humans, religion is a construction of humanity and a political system. Everything I ever knew was a big lie. We don't know anything yet... I'm agnostic too, I don't think any human has ever known if there are gods or not, and what gods purpose is and what our purpose is. I felt reborn when I knew this, but deep down I felt uneasy and terrified, it all made sense now, why the world was the way it is, it's because we're alone. Sure there's probably aliens and other life, but we haven't made contact... shortly after I got addicted to heroin lol... but that could also be from other reasons, but yeah I felt totally wack when I found out what's really going on.

I am very much open minded and I still entertain the idea of gods. The other day my dad was talking about hell and how if I would just pray, I'd go to heaven...I've been telling him for 12 years I don't believe lol... but I told him that if God is real and if heaven is real, then god will put me in heaven because he gave me a bad life, so he won't punish me, because I've already been punished enough, even if I commit suicide.

 

[soundsofsilence]

I am absolutely convinced there is no hell, as it has been pointed out, because we are actually living in hell.

 

[Halnas]

It's ironic that people who want to diregard all religions like to mention science a lot.... but the more science progresses, the more crazy it gets.

First the wave-particle-dualism, which is totally illogical for our understanding and which we just have to accept as a given fact.
Then the whole big-bang theory in itself is a big fuck-you to all people who think that the current universe is just a coincidence.
So the big-bang created time... and what was before the big bang?... oh yes, nothing, because if there is no time, there is no concept of "before".
Then we have the universe actually expending faster rather then slower, which contradicts our calculations through background radiation - we called that error "dark matter" - and it destroyed every theory about the universe being an endless loop.
We also found out that the universe isn't infinite and that it has a limited amount of matter that we can calculate based on the cosmic microwave background.
The theory about life having the probability of 1 because the universe is either infinite or its an infinite loop had to get dropped.
The discussion about whether the universe is deterministic or not has also a religious vibe to it.
And now we have the theory that we all live in a simulation, which is very popular. Now how do you call whoever is running that simulation? That's not a god?

Science today isn't far away from religion.
50 years ago the popular believe was that science will one day be able to explain the universe and it's creation. Today we accept it that we, as beings in this limited universe, are limited in our understanding to it's boundaries. You can not imagine a time without time in your brain just like you can't imagine a new color.

Science and religion isn't contradicting each other. It is complementing it.

I don't believe in specific god stories that are written by humans and changed and adjusted over the years to their liking. But i do believe that there is a god. I do not believe that he minds it if someone decides to end his life on his own terms and i do not believe in hell (someone isn't just inherently bad or good, circumstances make you to what you are).
And i sincerely hope that there is no reincarnation

 

[Thatdude]

If you or somebody you know was raised catholic, then you have probably heard that suicide is a "sin," and anybody who commits suicide will spend all of eternity in unbearable pain and suffering.
Has this detered anybody from attempting to kill themselves?
I think that a loving God ( if there is one) would not punish a person for ending their life because they were in pain and suffering with more pain and suffering.
I also hate this ideology, because my father commited suicide and I can't bare the thought of him burning in hell.

I say show me in the bible where it says that clearly. And if they want to pull something that can kinda be taken that way. Then the commandment that you shouldn't kill. Well it doesn't say you shouldn't just kill people. Most likely they killed bugs, bacteria, and so on (have they used mouth wash? If so, then they killed germs). And then if they want to keep arguing I would ask who made the bible. It's the Mormons who believe God made a golden bible for them. But the ones you asked about it was just some guy or a bunch of them that MIGHT have been writing for god.
But ya, killing and suicide there is parts in the bible where people are looked up at doing. Like suicide on the battle field so the enemy doesn't capture you.
There is no real black and white, and I think it is more of a way to just keep people here at the time when the church had power so they can tax you. Somewhat now since they expect people to pay 10% of their income to the church. As far as Catholics, this is even more forced and there is a reason why they have a giant building, planes, their own country (look it up), and so on.

I'm not saying believing in something is bad. I actually do. But I'm not believing in the words of someone who can't/won't question their faith. One saying I like is "distrust, verify, and stay suspicious." Meaning you need to just distrust what is being said, verify it is true, and stay suspicious since that truth might change. Like if someone gets offended or angry when you question what they believe (being this or anything else). How can I trust that person? Unless if they can prove to me something with empirical evidence. Questioning should be looked up to IMO.

 

[Werewolf]

It's ironic that people who want to diregard all religions like to mention science a lot.... but the more science progresses, the more crazy it gets.

First the wave-particle-dualism, which is totally illogical for our understanding and which we just have to accept as a given fact.
Then the whole big-bang theory in itself is a big fuck-you to all people who think that the current universe is just a coincidence.
So the big-bang created time... and what was before the big bang?... oh yes, nothing, because if there is no time, there is no concept of "before".
Then we have the universe actually expending faster rather then slower, which contradicts our calculations through background radiation - we called that error "dark matter" - and it destroyed every theory about the universe being an endless loop.
We also found out that the universe isn't infinite and that it has a limited amount of matter that we can calculate based on the cosmic microwave background.
The theory about life having the probability of 1 because the universe is either infinite or its an infinite loop had to get dropped.
The discussion about whether the universe is deterministic or not has also a religious vibe to it.
And now we have the theory that we all live in a simulation, which is very popular. Now how do you call whoever is running that simulation? That's not a god?

Science today isn't far away from religion.
50 years ago the popular believe was that science will one day be able to explain the universe and it's creation. Today we accept it that we, as beings in this limited universe, are limited in our understanding to it's boundaries. You can not imagine a time without time in your brain just like you can't imagine a new color.

Science and religion isn't contradicting each other. It is complementing it.

I don't believe in specific god stories that are written by humans and changed and adjusted over the years to their liking. But i do believe that there is a god. I do not believe that he minds it if someone decides to end his life on his own terms and i do not believe in hell (someone isn't just inherently bad or good, circumstances make you to what you are).
And i sincerely hope that there is no reincarnation

Such a refreshing piece of insight. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the heat death scenario or maximum entropy.
The concept of time is irrelevant to a photon obviously and in a universe containing only photons time, as we conceive it, wouldn't exist.

Infinity aside wouldn't a singularity, or bing bang, in such a scenario, for whatever reason, that converted energy back into matter and cause time to "begin" again be called an act of god?

Im quite torn between this and the simulation theory, given the planc length and all. The math and physics is beyond me but the concepts on a philosophical lever fascinates me to no end.

 

[Cashewmilk]

It's ironic that people who want to diregard all religions like to mention science a lot.... but the more science progresses, the more crazy it gets.

First the wave-particle-dualism, which is totally illogical for our understanding and which we just have to accept as a given fact.
Then the whole big-bang theory in itself is a big fuck-you to all people who think that the current universe is just a coincidence.
So the big-bang created time... and what was before the big bang?... oh yes, nothing, because if there is no time, there is no concept of "before".
Then we have the universe actually expending faster rather then slower, which contradicts our calculations through background radiation - we called that error "dark matter" - and it destroyed every theory about the universe being an endless loop.
We also found out that the universe isn't infinite and that it has a limited amount of matter that we can calculate based on the cosmic microwave background.
The theory about life having the probability of 1 because the universe is either infinite or its an infinite loop had to get dropped.
The discussion about whether the universe is deterministic or not has also a religious vibe to it.
And now we have the theory that we all live in a simulation, which is very popular. Now how do you call whoever is running that simulation? That's not a god?

Science today isn't far away from religion.
50 years ago the popular believe was that science will one day be able to explain the universe and it's creation. Today we accept it that we, as beings in this limited universe, are limited in our understanding to it's boundaries. You can not imagine a time without time in your brain just like you can't imagine a new color.

Science and religion isn't contradicting each other. It is complementing it.

I don't believe in specific god stories that are written by humans and changed and adjusted over the years to their liking. But i do believe that there is a god. I do not believe that he minds it if someone decides to end his life on his own terms and i do not believe in hell (someone isn't just inherently bad or good, circumstances make you to what you are).
And i sincerely hope that there is no reincarnation

I don't believe science has answered anything really... yet. Like I said, we don't know anything and that's what terrified me when I first learned, not sure if future humans will ever find out tbh. But there are simple facts in science that clearly debunk religious books. Sometimes I do believe in a God or gods, but mostly it's mother nature in my mind.

 

[Halnas]

I don't believe science has answered anything really... yet. Like I said, we don't know anything and that's what terrified me when I first learned, not sure if future humans will ever find out tbh. But there are simple facts in science that clearly debunk religious books. Sometimes I do believe in a God or gods, but mostly it's mother nature in my mind.

Yes, science did clearly debunk some parts in some religious books. i.e. Noahs Ark couldn't have possibly been large enough to hold two out of every species. Nobody will really deny that.

It is the philosophical concept where religion has it's strength and manages to withstand where one scientific theory after another fails. Science is more busy with debunking itself than it is with debunking religion.

Some examples that might be a repost now:
Pretty much all religions tell you that while you can strive for wisdom, you are limited in what you can achieve and in your perception because you are bound to the rules of the (god given) universe that you life in. That's the common theme since as long as religions exists.
Science however — when it was done outside of an religious context, because science and religion was one and the same thing over centuries — was always driven by the hope that at some point you have a universal theory about everything.
Since science went into crazy stuff like quantum physics, it is admitting that this thinking is wrong and that we are in fact limited. We do know that we can't know everything. That's where modern physics and philosophers now agree with what religion tells us for thousands of years.

Another example is the creation story. Atheists love to shit on that.
The common theory in science was that the universe is either infinite in space or time. Because infinity would be a super easy simple logical explanation for life and everything. If you have infinity and the universe isn't deterministic, than everything that's possible to happen will eventually happen.
Meanwhile religion told us since forever that there was a moment of creation and that there was either "chaos" before or simply "nothing" (depending on which religion you ask). Which was used by early Atheists to mock religion.
Here a list of creation myths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths
Every single entry in this list, without exception, is closer to the current scientific theories than the pre-Big Bang scientists were.

Just think about how huge of a deal the Big Bang theory actually is. It is the one single thing that caused science to throw all it's current theories into the trash can and to adopt theories that are closer to what religion says.
No infinite time, you have a moment 0 where it got created.
No infinite space, the universe has a finite mass.
The Big Bang theory and its implications were such a huge issue that research now focused on:
"But couldn't there still be inifinity somewhere? What about if the universe collapses again to its Big Bang stage in an endless loop?"
And before they were able to form theories around that, it already got destroyed again by the discovery that the universe actually keeps expanding faster.

Scientists had (not anymore) the habit to try to go the most human logical way. Which works really well on the limited scale we life in, because we are a part of it. Thermodynamics and classical mechanic can all be explained by examples that you have right in front of your eyes. But that way of thinking is what caused problems. Suddenly we are talking about a time without time. If you apply basic logic there, you are lost. Even Einstein went on a crusade against Quantum Physics in his older days and eventually had to accept that it's a thing.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

"You're going to hell if you kill yourself"
Me:

 

[Unlucked]

The bible says time and time again that God is the embodiement of love. I recall one scripture I read when I still attended church that literally said "God IS love." I honestly dont think a God of love would condemn a person who has endured such severe suffering that they feel death is the only way out to burn for an eternity in hell. Its morally reprehensible to even think of such a thing occuring, I highly doubt God, who supposedly has a higher level of morals than humans would be so devoid of love and compassion to ever do that to someone.

 

[Raggas]

The bible says time and time again that God is the embodiement of love. I recall one scripture I read when I still attended church that literally said "God IS love." I honestly dont think a God of love would condemn a person who has endured such severe suffering that they feel death is the only way out to burn for an eternity in hell. Its morally reprehensible to even think of such a thing occuring, I highly doubt God, who supposedly has a higher level of morals than humans would be so devoid of love and compassion to ever do that to someone.

You don't get condemned to hell for for comitting suicide. You get condemned for having comitted sins and not having Jesus' blood to pay for it.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

You don't get condemned to hell for for comitting suicide. You get condemned for having comitted sins and not having Jesus' blood to pay for it.

But if you kill yourself you are rejecting a gift from God (life) and that is a sin.

 

[Raggas]

But if you kill yourself you are rejecting a gift from God (life) and that is a sin.

You can't lose salvation, only the churches say that to make people scared and keep coming back.

 

[Unlucked]

You can't lose salvation, only the churches say that to make people scared and keep coming back.

Not necessarily. According to the bible "wilfull" sin is not covered under sacrifice. I know some people like to claim that Jesus ransom covers all sin, but Im pretty sure thats not true. According to how I was taught it (raised a Jehovahs Witness)

Hebrews 10:26 - "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"

Suicide is a willful sin, because you are deliberately taking action to end your life. I dont believe in hell, but im pretty sure thats how it is taught in other Christian denominations as well.

 

[Raggas]

Not necessarily. According to the bible "wilfull" sin is not covered under sacrifice. I know some people like to claim that Jesus ransom covers all sin, but Im pretty sure thats not true. According to how I was taught it (raised a Jehovahs Witness)

Hebrews 10:26 - "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"

Suicide is a willful sin, because you are deliberately taking action to end your life. I dont believe in hell, but im pretty sure thats how it is taught in other Christian denominations as well.

You can't just pull verses out of nowhere. Romans 1-5 teaches eternal security.

 

[Unlucked]

You can't just pull verses out of nowhere. Romans 1-5 teaches eternal security.

I dont get how that is pulling a verse out of nowhere. That is a well-known verse that is used by many christian pastors when it comes to sinning deliberately, and used often against the misguided belief that the ransom covers ALL SIN, as you say. Lets say that Jesus ransom DOES hypothetically cover everything, then people dont have incentive to do anything good really except get baptized. I dont really think that makes sense. Its funny how you talk about Romans, when literally in that same book the apostle Paul urges people not to continue living in sin or else they wont inherit gods kingdom. Sorry, but this whole argument of being unable to lose your salvation isnt really biblical. It just sounds like your own personal opinion.

 

[puppy9]

Muslims thinks Christians will burn in eternal hell for not embracing Islam. Good Luck Christians.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Disclaimer: no idea the accuracy just seemed like something interesting related to the topic.

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