Chiropractic/Osteomyology

[Red]

Anyone had any experiences with these practices? I've had sciatica and a weird pain right at the very base of my spine for years, have gone to various doctors, specialists and therapists with little diagnosis or improvement. The only thing I've had diagnosed are an apparently incidental small lesion in the middle of my spine and osteoarthritis of the hip.

Recently I've started to see an "osteomyologist"; a man trained in chiropractic but who has since left the field to join the self regulatory body of osteomyology. This by itself seemed slightly off to me but the fact that he apparently had serious problems himself that were "fixed" by a combination of practices made his approach seem different and maybe worth a go…

I've been to three sessions so far and have come out feeling worse each time. The initial consultation was him asking questions and then talking over the answers. He proceeded to "work" on various parts of my spine that didn't even hurt until he jabbed his fingers into them. He'd crack a joint then press softer, making it seem that it wasn't as tender. He has had no effect on the places that hurt and has even caused pain in places that didn't hurt before.

He claims that "toxins" are released during these "adjustments", which is scientifically proven to be bullshit, it's just gas being released. When he asks if I feel something and I say no, he corrects me and says that I did? I want to give it a chance to work but yet don't feel any better after three sessions around a week apart. I'm kind of worried he's going to make (or is already making) things worse - when I tell him I have extra pain he doesn't seem to address it and the last visit was excruciating, leaving me more sore than ever!

I can't work out if I'm just pissed off at his cockiness or if he's a charlatan?

Should I tell him to bollocks and not book another one? I have a session booked next week and am thinking that if there is no improvement and I'm feeling worse after then I'm going to give up and dismiss him as a quack - I'm seriously in way more pain than I ever was before!

 

[rationaltake]

Anyone had any experiences with these practices? I've had sciatica and a weird pain right at the very base of my spine for years, have gone to various doctors, specialists and therapists with little diagnosis or improvement. The only thing I've had diagnosed are an apparently incidental small lesion in the middle of my spine and osteoarthritis of the hip.

Recently I've started to see an "osteomyologist"; a man trained in chiropractic but who has since left the field to join the self regulatory body of osteomyology. This by itself seemed slightly off to me but the fact that he apparently had serious problems himself that were "fixed" by a combination of practices made his approach seem different and maybe worth a go…

I've been to three sessions so far and have come out feeling worse each time. The initial consultation was him asking questions and then talking over the answers. He proceeded to "work" on various parts of my spine that didn't even hurt until he jabbed his fingers into them. He'd crack a joint then press softer, making it seem that it wasn't as tender. He has had no effect on the places that hurt and has even caused pain in places that didn't hurt before.

He claims that "toxins" are released during these "adjustments", which is scientifically proven to be bullshit, it's just gas being released. When he asks if I feel something and I say no, he corrects me and says that I did? I want to give it a chance to work but yet don't feel any better after three sessions around a week apart. I'm kind of worried he's going to make (or is already making) things worse - when I tell him I have extra pain he doesn't seem to address it and the last visit was excruciating, leaving me more sore than ever!

I can't work out if I'm just pissed off at his cockiness or if he's a charlatan?

Should I tell him to bollocks and not book another one? I have a session booked next week and am thinking that if there is no improvement and I'm feeling worse after then I'm going to give up and dismiss him as a quack - I'm seriously in way more pain than I ever was before!

You obviously have doubts about this practitioner. I've never heard of osteomyology so can't comment. Osteopathy and chiropractic I have heard of. Maybe you could try a registered osteopath or chiropractor? I know people who found them helpful.

 

[_Seeking]

This guy sounds like a charlatan, I wouldn't go back if I were you. I have had some success with a chiropractor in the past, but a lot of them can be terrible and even make a situation worse if they don't know what they are doing. You might want to look up online reviews of practitioners in your area to find someone better. You shouldn't feel worse every time you go there, maybe a little more sore after the first adjustment for a day but nothing that can't be fixed with some ice on the area. Anything worse than that indicates they don't know what they are doing.

That he isn't listening to what you are telling him, and the "toxins" releasing BS are red flags to me. Also, I have experienced that when someone claims to be fixed of very serious problems by the one thing that they are charging you for, that they are often full of it.

 

[Foresight]

I don't believe in or respect chiropractic medicine. I think this guy can do more damage than good, sometimes very serious damage. I do respect functional medicine but there are actual physicians for that.

 

[Red]

You obviously have doubts about this practitioner. I've never heard of osteomyology so can't comment. Osteopathy and chiropractic I have heard of. Maybe you could try a registered osteopath or chiropractor? I know people who found them helpful.

I've been to both with no success

This guy sounds like a charlatan, I wouldn't go back if I were you. I have had some success with a chiropractor in the past, but a lot of them can be terrible and even make a situation worse if they don't know what they are doing. You might want to look up online reviews of practitioners in your area to find someone better. You shouldn't feel worse every time you go there, maybe a little more sore after the first adjustment for a day but nothing that can't be fixed with some ice on the area. Anything worse than that indicates they don't know what they are doing.

That he isn't listening to what you are telling him, and the "toxins" releasing BS are red flags to me. Also, I have experienced that when someone claims to be fixed of very serious problems by the one thing that they are charging you for, that they are often full of it.

It's hard to go by reviews as obviously they only keep the good ones up lol this guy has many rave reviews but I find him irritating in so many different ways!

I don't believe in or respect chiropractic medicine. I think this guy can do more damage than good, sometimes very serious damage. I do respect functional medicine but there are actual physicians for that.

I'm inclined to agree at this point… I think spinal manipulation is good for some minor acute problems but I don't think he's doing me any good at all!

I think that's decided then, not going back…

 

[Chinaski]

Anyone had any experiences with these practices? I've had sciatica and a weird pain right at the very base of my spine for years, have gone to various doctors, specialists and therapists with little diagnosis or improvement. The only thing I've had diagnosed are an apparently incidental small lesion in the middle of my spine and osteoarthritis of the hip.

Recently I've started to see an "osteomyologist"; a man trained in chiropractic but who has since left the field to join the self regulatory body of osteomyology. This by itself seemed slightly off to me but the fact that he apparently had serious problems himself that were "fixed" by a combination of practices made his approach seem different and maybe worth a go…

I've been to three sessions so far and have come out feeling worse each time. The initial consultation was him asking questions and then talking over the answers. He proceeded to "work" on various parts of my spine that didn't even hurt until he jabbed his fingers into them. He'd crack a joint then press softer, making it seem that it wasn't as tender. He has had no effect on the places that hurt and has even caused pain in places that didn't hurt before.

He claims that "toxins" are released during these "adjustments", which is scientifically proven to be bullshit, it's just gas being released. When he asks if I feel something and I say no, he corrects me and says that I did? I want to give it a chance to work but yet don't feel any better after three sessions around a week apart. I'm kind of worried he's going to make (or is already making) things worse - when I tell him I have extra pain he doesn't seem to address it and the last visit was excruciating, leaving me more sore than ever!

I can't work out if I'm just pissed off at his cockiness or if he's a charlatan?

Should I tell him to bollocks and not book another one? I have a session booked next week and am thinking that if there is no improvement and I'm feeling worse after then I'm going to give up and dismiss him as a quack - I'm seriously in way more pain than I ever was before!

From your posts on here I think we're having not entirely dissimilar problems wrt getting actual treatment for a thoroughly debilitating health issue, I've been trying for nearly two years and have found it to be the worst experience of my life, by some distance. After a time suffering with the problem and having zero treatment from the NHS you tend to get desperate, throwing cash at snake oilers, looking online for anything that might be able to ease your pain and get you through a day. I too went through this, and the desperation gets to a point where you'd be willing to throw good cash after bad.

Another thing with these bastards is they do genuinely 'gaslight', this is an overused term but is very apt in these situations - they will browbeat you with their dazzling array of qualifications and experiences, their success stories and their confidence in their own ability, to the point where you do genuinely consider that you *are* a hypochondriac after all, or that any doubts you may have about the ability of the practitioner is your own neuroses. This is what this chump is doing by the sounds of it. I've been there too, it's horrible, and you've my every sympathy - but if any doctor does anything which makes you worse, then refuses to acknowledge this when you tell them, they're a bad 'un and you should never see them again.

 

[Red]

From your posts on here I think we're having not entirely dissimilar problems wrt getting actual treatment for a thoroughly debilitating health issue, I've been trying for nearly two years and have found it to be the worst experience of my life, by some distance. After a time suffering with the problem and having zero treatment from the NHS you tend to get desperate, throwing cash at snake oilers, looking online for anything that might be able to ease your pain and get you through a day. I too went through this, and the desperation gets to a point where you'd be willing to throw good cash after bad.

Another thing with these bastards is they do genuinely 'gaslight', this is an overused term but is very apt in these situations - they will browbeat you with their dazzling array of qualifications and experiences, their success stories and their confidence in their own ability, to the point where you do genuinely consider that you *are* a hypochondriac after all, or that any doubts you may have about the ability of the practitioner is your own neuroses. This is what this chump is doing by the sounds of it. I've been there too, it's horrible, and you've my every sympathy - but if any doctor does anything which makes you worse, then refuses to acknowledge this when you tell them, they're a bad 'un and you should never see them again.

That desperation is a huge driving force - I've tried many things that I would never have considered if I were in a better health position. I'm sure I wouldn't recommend any of these things to anyone else struggling in a similar position, having found that none of these therapies, treatments and supplements have done any good.

I mean the fact he didn't listen even from the first instance was a huge red flag!
He didn't treat the areas that I told him hurt and he proceeded to make other areas hurt instead. Then when I complained of these issues in the third session it felt like he punished me for speaking up by being outright brutal and leaving me in way more pain than I ever had before?!

Plus he even made a weirdly sexual joke with my husband right there; when he asked if I "felt that" when I did an "adjustment" I said "well I felt something?" He made out like I'd been suggestive and it made me very uncomfortable as moments before he had twisted me into a rather uncompromising position where I felt his genitals on my leg…
The guy gives me creep vibes, doesn't listen and is overly confident when he really doesn't seem to be helping, yet is getting paid for the pleasure of messing me up further.
I was trying to persevere for the sake of my husband, who for some reason has faith in him, but the more I think about these sessions the more dodgy the whole thing feels.
Gonna cancel the next appt - I'd rather do that than give him more money to do more damage.

 

[Chinaski]

This sounds like a truly awful experience and if you can be arsed it might be worth detailing his creepiness in reviews, if only as catharsis. I paid to see one bloke who was just totally fucking ghoulish, absolutely chilled me to the bone, inattentive grey man who talks over patients to gripe about how he's underpaid - for all the "angels and superheroes" rhetoric so many of these people are just unremittingly repulsive human beings and it's worth making other potential patients aware of this imo.

 

[Red]

This sounds like a truly awful experience and if you can be arsed it might be worth detailing his creepiness in reviews, if only as catharsis. I paid to see one bloke who was just totally fucking ghoulish, absolutely chilled me to the bone, inattentive grey man who talks over patients to gripe about how he's underpaid - for all the "angels and superheroes" rhetoric so many of these people are just unremittingly repulsive human beings and it's worth making other potential patients aware of this imo.

They always seems totally wrapped up in themselves while claiming so hard to be "centred around the patient and their needs"…
It is all heavily based on their own overconfidence, they force it onto you by steamrollering you into submission!
The very fact that he talks over me, "corrects" me when asking me things (my opinion!) and then that very creepy suggestive comment kind of swung it for me in the end and made me push past his wall of bluster.
If I felt better afterwards I might be inclined to just go in and just call him out on the creepiness but it genuinely feels like he's messing me up just to claim to "fix" me later as I'm still sore and tweaks from my session on Tuesday, despite self care with heat therapy and salt soaks etc…

Thanks to all you guys for your thoughts n advice! It really does seem cut and dry when seeing your responses and goes to show just how gaslit I've been for so long into not being able to trust my own initial instincts

I wish it wasn't so hard to be taken seriously with health issues right now, if standard doctors weren't so rude and dismissive we wouldn't be pushed to seek out help from quacks like these!! To be treated like a malingerer or drama queen when I feel so weak and broken despite doing everything in my power to fight it is just devastating…

I've lost supposed family, apparent friends, long awaited independence and my dream career through this still undefined illness, yet people have the audacity to think that it's self inflicted or played up to be far more serious than it is, as if I'd ever choose to be this way?! I was so CONTENT and HAPPY and it was all taken away in the space of a few months!

I want so much to be able to be function again and am trying so hard to get back to normal… I'm even considering seeking out illegal stimulants to push past the pain and fatigue as the frustration and sense of uselessness is getting too much. It's do or die time. I'd rather be a speed freak who gets stuff done than a wastrel any longer!

Sorry slipped into a rant there lol it's just too much, sick of being sick and beaten down and taken advantage of for it.

 

[Chinaski]

They always seems totally wrapped up in themselves while claiming so hard to be "centred around the patient and their needs"…
It is all heavily based on their own overconfidence, they force it onto you by steamrollering you into submission!
The very fact that he talks over me, "corrects" me when asking me things (my opinion!) and then that very creepy suggestive comment kind of swung it for me in the end and made me push past his wall of bluster.
If I felt better afterwards I might be inclined to just go in and just call him out on the creepiness but it genuinely feels like he's messing me up just to claim to "fix" me later as I'm still sore and tweaks from my session on Tuesday, despite self care with heat therapy and salt soaks etc…

Thanks to all you guys for your thoughts n advice! It really does seem cut and dry when seeing your responses and goes to show just how gaslit I've been for so long into not being able to trust my own initial instincts

I wish it wasn't so hard to be taken seriously with health issues right now, if standard doctors weren't so rude and dismissive we wouldn't be pushed to seek out help from quacks like these!! To be treated like a malingerer or drama queen when I feel so weak and broken despite doing everything in my power to fight it is just devastating…

I've lost supposed family, apparent friends, long awaited independence and my dream career through this still undefined illness, yet people have the audacity to think that it's self inflicted or played up to be far more serious than it is, as if I'd ever choose to be this way?! I was so CONTENT and HAPPY and it was all taken away in the space of a few months!

I want so much to be able to be function again and am trying so hard to get back to normal… I'm even considering seeking out illegal stimulants to push past the pain and fatigue as the frustration and sense of uselessness is getting too much. It's do or die time. I'd rather be a speed freak who gets stuff done than a wastrel any longer!

Sorry slipped into a rant there lol it's just too much, sick of being sick and beaten down and taken advantage of for it.

I feel exactly like this, like every single word rings true - if there is one thing keeping me alive more than anything else, it's the knowledge that they'll get away with it, scott fucking free, stories like yours make me so angry and l wish there was something l could do to help you beyond offering banal platitudes.

 

[Red]

Spoke to my husband regarding this tonight and, bafflingly, he is trying to get me to continue with this "therapy"..?
What is it with men thinking that they know best and steamrollering me despite me knowing my body better than they do?!
I'm absolutely livid!
Fuck these guys

 

[Chinaski]

Spoke to my husband regarding this tonight and, bafflingly, he is trying to get me to continue with this "therapy"..?
What is it with men thinking that they know best and steamrollering me despite me knowing my body better than they do?!
I'm absolutely livid!
Fuck these guys

Leave him a bad review as well imo

 

[Red]

What my husband?
So damn angry at him for not listening, he above all people should be on my side!

 

[Chinaski]

What my husband?
So damn angry at him for not listening, he above all people should be on my side!

Tbf l experience this too, l sometimes suspect those close to me do this because they are simply bored with me being unwell and think keep telling me to persevere with shit that doesn't work will generate some false optimism and return some of the old me, literally all of my personal relationships have been re-evaluated as a result. Horrible, innit?

 

[Red]

Tbf l experience this too, l sometimes suspect those close to me do this because they are simply bored with me being unwell and think keep telling me to persevere with shit that doesn't work will generate some false optimism and return some of the old me, literally all of my personal relationships have been re-evaluated as a result. Horrible, innit?

I think you're absolutely spot on there hon! It's more for their state of mind than ours I'm sure… however I'm not going to be bullied into further discomfort when I know that this isn't the right path.

I'm so sorry that you have had to experience this too what is it that you suffer from, if you don't mind me asking? How long have you lived this way and is there anything you've found that helps you any??

I'm seriously considering stimulants to work in conjunction with my current meds; stimulants and opioids can apparently work really well together to maximise analgesia and energy levels. Deffo worth a shot for me rather than being spoken down to by a bunch of pompous idiots only looking out for themselves!

 

[Chinaski]

I think you're absolutely spot on there hon! It's more for their state of mind than ours I'm sure… however I'm not going to be bullied into further discomfort when I know that this isn't the right path.

I'm so sorry that you have had to experience this too what is it that you suffer from, if you don't mind me asking? How long have you lived this way and is there anything you've found that helps you any??

I'm seriously considering stimulants to work in conjunction with my current meds; stimulants and opioids can apparently work really well together to maximise analgesia and energy levels. Deffo worth a shot for me rather than being spoken down to by a bunch of pompous idiots only looking out for themselves!

I'd rather not go into too much detail on public forum but it is the result of a very basic, literally everyday procedure which went wrong and the impact is constant pain plus more besides, in terms of functionality. I didn't get ill, they literally did this to me and since denied there was anything wrong. It's been almost two years, decline has been steady, it very much is kill or cure imo, "management" is not an option with this.

I understand why you'd seek to self-medicate tbh, but you really shouldn't have to. Idk how you feel about these people but my fury towards them is all-consuming, and whilst l normally pride myself on my resilience and stoicism I'm finding very basic things increasingly difficult, mentally. It's also very isolating, isn't it? People stop asking how you are because they don't like the honest answer, and in return you tend to avoid contact because having to pretend to please them is exhausting. The fact I'm spending more and more time posting shite on here is quite indicative of this. I don't think I'll ever get better, the issue is how much of a fight can l muster and how much can l upset them.

 

[Red]

I'd rather not go into too much detail on public forum but it is the result of a very basic, literally everyday procedure which went wrong and the impact is constant pain plus more besides, in terms of functionality. I didn't get ill, they literally did this to me and since denied there was anything wrong. It's been almost two years, decline has been steady, it very much is kill or cure imo, "management" is not an option with this.

I understand why you'd seek to self-medicate tbh, but you really shouldn't have to. Idk how you feel about these people but my fury towards them is all-consuming, and whilst l normally pride myself on my resilience and stoicism I'm finding very basic things increasingly difficult, mentally. It's also very isolating, isn't it? People stop asking how you are because they don't like the honest answer, and in return you tend to avoid contact because having to pretend to please them is exhausting. The fact I'm spending more and more time posting shite on here is quite indicative of this. I don't think I'll ever get better, the issue is how much of a fight can l muster and how much can l upset them.

Aw hon that sounds awful I'm so sorry

Again you've hit the nail exactly on the head and described exactly how it has gone and continues to go… it's horrible just how quickly people give up and lose interest. Easy for them, eh?

It's hard to fight just how consuming that frustration and hate towards those who should be helping is!

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I'd rather not go into too much detail on public forum but it is the result of a very basic, literally everyday procedure which went wrong and the impact is constant pain plus more besides, in terms of functionality. I didn't get ill, they literally did this to me and since denied there was anything wrong. It's been almost two years, decline has been steady, it very much is kill or cure imo, "management" is not an option with this.

I understand why you'd seek to self-medicate tbh, but you really shouldn't have to. Idk how you feel about these people but my fury towards them is all-consuming, and whilst l normally pride myself on my resilience and stoicism I'm finding very basic things increasingly difficult, mentally. It's also very isolating, isn't it? People stop asking how you are because they don't like the honest answer, and in return you tend to avoid contact because having to pretend to please them is exhausting. The fact I'm spending more and more time posting shite on here is quite indicative of this. I don't think I'll ever get better, the issue is how much of a fight can l muster and how much can l upset them.

I had a similar experience with a treatment making me permanently worse. Doctors swore that this couldn't be happening, that nothing like what happened to me had ever happened before. It's infuriating when there is zero accountability from medical professionals. Give 'em hell!

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

I haven't read everything here because I'm at full stop with genital contact with your body.

No practitioner worth his or her salt lets this happen.

He's a quack. Please don't return, and tell your husband it's a decision only you can make.

 

[Chinaski]

I haven't read everything here because I'm at full stop with genital contact with your body.

No practitioner worth his or her salt lets this happen.

He's a quack. Please don't return, and tell your husband it's a decision only you can make.

Pretty certain there are more creeps in there than we'd like to admit. One pain specialist not too far from me was recently jailed for injuring his partner during an exorcism (!) and upon arrest his phone was searched, he was found to have taken pictures of naked female patients while they were under anaesthetic. Somehow this last bit was less of a headline than the exorcism and there has been little fuss kicked up abliy it, no response to it by the NHS, just kind of shrugged off. Another doctor, again not far from here, was struck off for having sex with vulnerable female patients in his GP surgery when they consulted him with problems.