Story Cheerleader paralyzed after suicide attempt stunning speech. I'm speechless.

[Insomniac]

Shooting the brain is probably not the best way to kill a person. Many people are still alive with large parts of the brains damaged (due to stroke or accident). Shooting the heart is probably more reliable.

I think people aim for the brain because they want to lose consciousness instantly but I don't see how you could shoot your heart and still be consciousness

 

[lofticries]

Shooting the brain is probably not the best way to kill a person. Many people survive with large parts of the brains damaged (due to stroke or accident). Shooting the heart is probably more reliable.

I think she would have died if not being found so shortly after.

It is still a wound to the head after all.

 

[Julgran]

I think she would have died if not being found so shortly after.

It is still a wound to the head after all.

Wouldn't the best way to do this be to put the gun right behind and at the lowest point of one ear from behind, and aim inwards across the head...? I mean, the brainstem should be hit quite accurately then, right..?

 

[akana]

not the music at the end

I think that the problem with videos like that, is that they might make people think that everyone who attempts suicide will go on to regret it and it may make pro lifers think that all suicidal people need to be saved, as they think that things will get better for the person if they don't go through with it, which is harmful and does not reflect reality.

I think that 'saving' someone against their wishes from an attempt is cruel and selfish. To me, it is horrifying how someone attempted and ended up in a wheelchair. A peaceful suicide should be a human right. And also, many people pretend to be happy in front of others, but that does not often reflect how they really feel.

yes

 

[veryhappyhuman]

I think people aim for the brain because they want to lose consciousness instantly but I don't see how you could shoot your heart and still be consciousness

It's said that consciousness would be there for upto 15 sec even in case of decapitation. Compared to that, when the heart stops, a lot more blood is still available to the brain from the large arteries etc for some time (relatively) before the flow stops. I'd guess in this case there'd be consciousness for at least 20-30 sec, but could be wrong. I once saw a video of someone who ctb this way and he definitely wasn't instantly unconscious.

 

[damaged_soul]

It's upsetting how they only show the people who regret their attempt and not the ones who don't regret it. I don't regret my attempt at all, if anything it made me even more passionate/determined about ctb.

 

[Insomniac]

It's said that consciousness would be there for upto 15 sec even in case of decapitation

It's said that consciousness would be there for upto 15 sec even in case of decapitation

Actually, this is true. How could I forget that video I found on a gore website of a guy cut in half after a motorcycle accident. He was there lying down turning his head and trying to look at his decapitated area.

Life is HORRIBALLL

But what freaked me out is as soon as I read decapitation, I thought of head decapitation. Surely, you'd lose consciousness instantly if its the head.. right?

 

[Ligottian]

A lot of people who survive suicide attempts and end up paralyzed or disfigured are happy their attempts failed and are happier and more positive about life.

I'm happy for them. really. but this really makes me sick idk. nothing personal against them obviously. It's just me, myself. I'm just.. arghh, I could never.

I don't understand what they are so happy about. Please someone explain because I'm a bit stuck here.

If she shot herself in the neck as she claimed, she should be paralyzed from the neck down, not the waist....If shooting is your method, never shoot yourself in the neck or belly.

 

[Efilismislife]

Shooting the brain is probably not the best way to kill a person. Many people survive with large parts of the brains damaged (due to stroke or accident). Shooting the heart is probably more reliable.

Even if your heart stops youre still conscious and aware and feel every seconds of the horror untill your brain shutsdown.
Shooting the brain is better but you really need to aim right which i guess can be tricky too

It's said that consciousness would be there for upto 15 sec even in case of decapitation. Compared to that, when the heart stops, a lot more blood is still available to the brain from the large arteries etc for some time (relatively) before the flow stops. I'd guess in this case there'd be consciousness for at least 20-30 sec, but could be wrong. I once saw a video of someone who ctb this way and he definitely wasn't instantly unconscious.

Even for cardiac arrest patient where the heart stops and no blood pumping to the brain anymore they still could be brought back to life if its not more than 4-5 minutes

There are some cases where patient in ER who heart stopped and thought was dead can be brought to life and they can hear/recall what happends during the time after their hearts stop

 

[NeverEndingPain]

Not to be insensitive to this topic but does anyone have any ideas of what gun she used and where she aimed to survive. Other than her being in a wheel chair she looks normal.

Anyone notice how most suicidal gun survivors never mention pain.

She said something about blood pouring out of the back of her neck. I couldn't see anything on her face/ head that showed evidence that she shot herself in the head.

Wouldn't the best way to do this be to put the gun right behind and at the lowest point of one ear from behind, and aim inwards across the head...? I mean, the brainstem should be hit quite accurately then, right..?

I read somewhere to put the gun in your mouth and aim for the uvula ( flesh piece hanging in the back of your throat). It said something about that hitting the brain stem. Anyone else hear this ?

 

[veryhappyhuman]

But what freaked me out is as soon as I read decapitation, I thought of head decapitation. Surely, you'd lose consciousness instantly if its the head.. right?

No, I did mean head decapitation (body cut in half is called something else, I can't recall the term). I read an account of a scientist from the middle ages who observed a severed head of a guy and noted that it responded when the guy's name was called (multiple times).

There was also a research paper which measured brain electrical activity after severing of the head and they found that there's at least some activity for upto 15 sec. If I recall correctly, this study was done on mice. I recently saw a YT video on this topic which is why I remember this.

 

[Efilismislife]

No, I did mean head decapitation (body cut in half is called something else, I can't recall the term). I read an account of a scientist from the middle ages who observed a severed head of a guy and noted that it responded when the guy's name was called (multiple times).

There was also a research paper which measured brain electrical activity after severing of the head and they found that there's at least some activity for upto 15 sec. If I recall correctly, this study was done on mice. I recently saw a YT video on this topic which is why I remember this.

yeah i also read a lot on research on brain activity during/after 'dying'/'death' to measure consciousness

cause before people learn about consciousness they thought if breathing stops/the heart stops the person is dead but its wrong and some people got buried alive and still conscious

also our knowledge about consciousness is still limited and science is still progressing

 

[obafgkm]

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Actually, this is true. How could I forget that video I found on a gore website of a guy cut in half after a motorcycle accident. He was there lying down turning his head and trying to look at his decapitated area.

Life is HORRIBALLL

But what freaked me out is as soon as I read decapitation, I thought of head decapitation. Surely, you'd lose consciousness instantly if its the head.. right?

Even if your heart stops youre still conscious and aware and feel every seconds of the horror untill your brain shutsdown.
Shooting the brain is better but you really need to aim right which i guess can be tricky too

Even for cardiac arrest patient where the heart stops and no blood pumping to the brain anymore they still could be brought back to life if its not more than 4-5 minutes

There are some cases where patient in ER who heart stopped and thought was dead can be brought to life and they can hear/recall what happends during the time after their hearts stop

Some people have documented their stroke (brain damage) experiences. It can be conscious for a long time. It probably depends on where and how bad the damage is:



Brought back to life after a heart attack doesn't mean the person is conscious throughout. Without blood supply to the brain, a person should be unconscious within a short time, but may regain consciousness when blood supply resumes. Many people recall their first experience after ctb is waking up in hospital.

NDE is probably something else. Many report calm, seeing tunnel... This is probably not the same kind of consciousness.

 

[Soulless Angel]

It's upsetting how they only show the people who regret their attempt and not the ones who don't regret it. I don't regret my attempt at all, if anything it made me even more passionate/determined about ctb.

This is what I want to know, why do the people who chose not to regret their attempt speak out...oh that;s right because society will lock them up and try to repair them!
When people can't play hero's. or they cannot comprehend someone not being pro life, then they don't want to hear it.
When I attempted, or at least was on the path too, there was so much *postivity* in the fact I didn't complete it, yet when people realized that suicidal ideation was something I lived with, then they chose to ignore.

The OP video, I find it awful, her expressions to me didn't seem to match the words, I wonder how much she has been made to say, how much she meant and how much she really doesn't regret it.
I understand someone else wrote that there's two types, internal and external, I get that, but to pull the trigger to me you have crossed over that line, and surviving isn't regret, to me its more oh crap it didn't work, now SI is telling me I must survive and I am glad I am.
Our minds are fucked up big time!

 

[Efilismislife]

Some people have documented their stroke (brain damage) experiences. It can be conscious for a long time. It probably depends on where and how bad the damage is:



Brought back to life after a heart attack doesn't mean the person is conscious throughout. Without blood supply to the brain, a person should be unconscious within a short time, but may regain consciousness when blood supply resumes. Many people recall their first experience after ctb is waking up in hospital.

NDE is probably something else. Many report calm, seeing tunnel... This is probably not the same kind of consciousness.

I watch the video, its about having a brain hemorrhage, during the beginning of the that attack she still conscious of course

but its a different case. My aunt had a stroke and she went unconscious=went into a comma for months. And lost memory after she woke up


so like i said that depends on wether the brain region that controls consciousness&awareness has been shutdown or still active

Same as how i wrote before about people going into brain surgery but awake but with pain killer. Because the region that control consciousness doesnt get affected.

with cardiac arrest there are numerous study where people can still consciousness even after the heart stops because their consciousness still working(you can look up the NDE study, parnia, etc)

AWARE-AWAreness during REsuscitation-a prospective study - PubMed

CA survivors commonly experience a broad range of cognitive themes, with 2% exhibiting full awareness. This supports other recent studies that have indicated consciousness may be present despite clinically undetectable consciousness. This together with fearful experiences may contribute to PTSD...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Among 2060 CA events, 140 survivors completed stage 1 interviews, while 101 of 140 patients completed stage 2 interviews. 46% had memories with 7 major cognitive themes: fear; animals/plants; bright light; violence/persecution; deja-vu; family; recalling events post-CA and 9% had NDEs, while 2% described awareness with explicit recall of 'seeing' and 'hearing' actual events related to their resuscitation. One had a verifiable period of conscious awareness during which time cerebral function was not expected.

The incidence and validity of awareness together with the range, characteristics and themes relating to memories/cognitive processes during CA was investigated through a 4 year multi-center observational study using a three stage quantitative and qualitative interview system. The feasibility of objectively testing the accuracy of claims of visual and auditory awareness was examined using specific tests. The outcome measures were (1) awareness/memories during CA and (2) objective verification of claims of awareness using specific tests.

Clinical death=heart respiratory stops, reversible
vs
brain death=irreversible












The key is to shutdown your 'mind' or (consciousness) first

 

[Insomniac]

I watch the video, its about having a brain hemorrhage, during the beginning of the that attack she still conscious of course

but its a different case. My aunt had a stroke and she went unconscious=went into a comma for months. And lost memory after she woke up


so like i said that depends on wether the brain region that controls consciousness&awareness has been shutdown or still active

Same as how i wrote before about people going into brain surgery but awake but with pain killer. Because the region that control consciousness doesnt get affected.

with cardiac arrest there are numerous study where people can still consciousness even after the heart stops because their consciousness still working(you can look up the NDE study, parnia, etc)

AWARE-AWAreness during REsuscitation-a prospective study - PubMed

CA survivors commonly experience a broad range of cognitive themes, with 2% exhibiting full awareness. This supports other recent studies that have indicated consciousness may be present despite clinically undetectable consciousness. This together with fearful experiences may contribute to PTSD...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical death=heart respiratory stops, reversible
vs
brain death=irreversible



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The key is to shutdown your 'mind' or (consciousness) first

CPR may reverse WHAT

 

[obafgkm]

Like i said that depends on wether the brain region that controls consciousness&awareness has been shutdown or still active

Same as how i wrote before about people going into brain surgery but awake but with pain killer. Because the region that control consciousness doesnt get affected.

with cardiac arrest there are numerous study where people can still consciousness even after the heart stops because their consciousness still working(you can look up the NDE study, parnia, etc)

AWARE-AWAreness during REsuscitation-a prospective study - PubMed

CA survivors commonly experience a broad range of cognitive themes, with 2% exhibiting full awareness. This supports other recent studies that have indicated consciousness may be present despite clinically undetectable consciousness. This together with fearful experiences may contribute to PTSD...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical death=heart respiratory stops, reversible
vs
brain death=irreversible



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The key is to shutdown your 'mind' or (consciousness) first

Yes, that's what I have been trying to say: shooting the heart is a more reliable way of becoming unconscious asap than shooting the brain, because it stops blood flow immediately.

Unconscious doesn't mean the brain is immediately completely dead forever. It could be in a low activity survival mode like coma that some unconscious senses are still possible. The person may later recall some unconscious experiences, like doctors and nurses talking.

Shooting the brain, one needs to know where consciousness is in the brain to reliably disable it.

 

[Insomniac]

I read an account of a scientist from the middle ages who observed a severed head of a guy and noted that it responded when the guy's name was called (multiple times).

kill me NOW

 

[Efilismislife]

Yes, that's what I have been trying to say: shooting the heart is a more reliable way of becoming unconscious asap than shooting the brain, because it stops blood flow immediately.

Unconscious doesn't mean the brain is immediately completely dead forever. It could be in a low activity survival mode like coma that some unconscious senses are still possible. The person may later recall some unconscious experiences, like doctors and nurses talking.

Shooting the brain, one needs to know where consciousness is in the brain to reliably disable it.

Cardiac arrest=heart stops =blood circulation stops but
doesnt mean your unconscious. See what the study found above

Shooting the brain stem=stop consciousness

 

[obafgkm]

Cardiac arrest=heart stops =blood circulation stops but
doesnt mean your unconscious. See what the study found above

Shooting the brain stem=stop consciousness

There are always weird cases, and many explanations are possible, supernatural or not. How can you be sure there won't be a case where the patient is still conscious after brain stem is shot?

Many people have first hand experiences, including this forum, that they lose consciousness quickly by cutting blood/oxygen supply to the brain. That's the basis of hanging, inert gases, and similar peaceful methods.

 

[Efilismislife]

There are always weird cases, and many explanations are possible, supernatural or not. How can you be sure there won't be a case where the patient is still conscious after brain stem is shot?

Because the brain, and brainstem is where the consciousness is
mind is in the brain

Shooting the heart vs shooting the brainstem
shooting the heart doesnt instantly makes you unconscious
clearly the brain is the core?
every organ(and heart) working to supply the brain
Consciousness is in the brain not heart
you can get heart transplant but not brain transplant

In contrast, with chest shots (which cause damage to the heart and lungs), the time to unconsciousness can range from seconds up to a few minutes. When an animal is shot in the chest, the time to loss of consciousness and the time to death will depend on which tissues are damaged and, in particular, on the rate of blood loss and hence how long it takes for the brain to have insufficient oxygen




Besides when you shoot your heart you will suffer gasping for air cause you wont be able to breathe(similar to how heart attack patient feels)and thats tormenting plus the pain from the shot


Its not the same as gas method, etc

Its more similar to suffocation plastic bag method