Chances of permanent damage on N?

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Apologies if this has already been discussed a lot (I couldn't find any threads when I looked). My preferred method is N (like most people) but I wanted to know a worst case scenario should things inexplicably go wrong. Whilst I want my life to end, there are aspects of my life that make it slightly more bearable, with the main one being football (soccer) which I play 2 or 3 times a week. I of course understand there's risks with all methods but just want clarification on topic - any anecdotal evidence out there?

 

[OldDrummer]

Firstly for legal reasons, I'm not talking about you, just generalising.

Very rare. Someone considering this method needs to think about their body weight and the ideal dose and having a 72 hour window of not being discovered.

100ml (6gm) per 110 pounds of body weight.

Someone considering this method should also consider their AE options and complete a two day regime in advance, possibly using antacids on the day.

In preparation for the taste, they order some Vihn Tien - Bitter Melon Tea (Bitter Gourd, Gohyah Tea) and mix the overall solution with 10% vodka. That's approximately what the N solution will taste like. They should drink that as a nightcap for a week in advance to mitigate the eventual shock of the N taste.

Someone considering this method should also consider you've got a 90 second window to drink the required amount. Aftertaste will be extremely bitter, they should consider having a shot of Baileys on ice to hand.

Those who survive N are usually 'found' or call someone directly after ingesting due to SI panic, or passed out early due to low body weight and not drinking the entire solution.

Although the person who takes this will become unconscious within minutes, they will go into coma directly after. Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Firstly for legal reasons, I'm not talking about you, just generalising.

Very rare. Someone considering this method needs to think about their body weight and the ideal dose and having a 72 hour window of not being discovered.

100ml (6gm) per 110 pounds of body weight.

Someone considering this method should also consider their AE options and complete a two day regime in advance, possibly using antacids on the day.

In preparation for the taste, they order some Vihn Tien - Bitter Melon Tea (Bitter Gourd, Gohyah Tea) and mix the overall solution with 10% vodka. That's approximately what the N solution will taste like. They should drink that as a nightcap for a week in advance to mitigate the eventual shock of the N taste.

Someone considering this method should also consider you've got a 90 second window to drink the required amount. Aftertaste will be extremely bitter, they should consider having a shot of Baileys on ice to hand.

Those who survive N are usually 'found' or call someone directly after ingesting due to SI panic, or passed out early due to low body weight and not drinking the entire solution.

Although the person who takes this will become unconscious within minutes, they will go into coma directly after. Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

Thank you!

Firstly for legal reasons, I'm not talking about you, just generalising.

Very rare. Someone considering this method needs to think about their body weight and the ideal dose and having a 72 hour window of not being discovered.

100ml (6gm) per 110 pounds of body weight.

Someone considering this method should also consider their AE options and complete a two day regime in advance, possibly using antacids on the day.

In preparation for the taste, they order some Vihn Tien - Bitter Melon Tea (Bitter Gourd, Gohyah Tea) and mix the overall solution with 10% vodka. That's approximately what the N solution will taste like. They should drink that as a nightcap for a week in advance to mitigate the eventual shock of the N taste.

Someone considering this method should also consider you've got a 90 second window to drink the required amount. Aftertaste will be extremely bitter, they should consider having a shot of Baileys on ice to hand.

Those who survive N are usually 'found' or call someone directly after ingesting due to SI panic, or passed out early due to low body weight and not drinking the entire solution.

Although the person who takes this will become unconscious within minutes, they will go into coma directly after. Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

Also, out of interest. If a fluke happened and did all the right prep but it didn't 'finish me off' - what would the potential side effects be? Or would it be just a severe sort of 'hangover'?

 

[new.solution1]

Firstly for legal reasons, I'm not talking about you, just generalising.

Very rare. Someone considering this method needs to think about their body weight and the ideal dose and having a 72 hour window of not being discovered.

100ml (6gm) per 110 pounds of body weight.

Someone considering this method should also consider their AE options and complete a two day regime in advance, possibly using antacids on the day.

In preparation for the taste, they order some Vihn Tien - Bitter Melon Tea (Bitter Gourd, Gohyah Tea) and mix the overall solution with 10% vodka. That's approximately what the N solution will taste like. They should drink that as a nightcap for a week in advance to mitigate the eventual shock of the N taste.

Someone considering this method should also consider you've got a 90 second window to drink the required amount. Aftertaste will be extremely bitter, they should consider having a shot of Baileys on ice to hand.

Those who survive N are usually 'found' or call someone directly after ingesting due to SI panic, or passed out early due to low body weight and not drinking the entire solution.

Although the person who takes this will become unconscious within minutes, they will go into coma directly after. Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

Where did you get this 100ml per 110lb of body weight thing?

 

[Red Scare]

Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

What's this? I thought it was relatively fast, and that most people were dead within an hour or two, why would someone be in a coma for 72 hours, and what if they don't die from dehydration?

 

[arnab]

Firstly for legal reasons, I'm not talking about you, just generalising.

Very rare. Someone considering this method needs to think about their body weight and the ideal dose and having a 72 hour window of not being discovered.

100ml (6gm) per 110 pounds of body weight.

Someone considering this method should also consider their AE options and complete a two day regime in advance, possibly using antacids on the day.

In preparation for the taste, they order some Vihn Tien - Bitter Melon Tea (Bitter Gourd, Gohyah Tea) and mix the overall solution with 10% vodka. That's approximately what the N solution will taste like. They should drink that as a nightcap for a week in advance to mitigate the eventual shock of the N taste.

Someone considering this method should also consider you've got a 90 second window to drink the required amount. Aftertaste will be extremely bitter, they should consider having a shot of Baileys on ice to hand.

Those who survive N are usually 'found' or call someone directly after ingesting due to SI panic, or passed out early due to low body weight and not drinking the entire solution.

Although the person who takes this will become unconscious within minutes, they will go into coma directly after. Even after 72 hours in coma state, dehydration will ensure eventual death.

Antacids are not necessary for N.
72 hrs? Wasn't there someone surviving longer in coma?

 

[arnab]

What if your window is 12 hours and you're older and quite small? I hope it's enough

Too high risk of intervention

 

[arnab]

Nobody is going to intervene.

Plus I have a will, advance directive, all of that stuff. Shouldn't that help? After 12 hours and 200 ML, at less than 125 lbs, I should be toast.

I don't have Dilantin. Maybe throw some Propanol in there?

Propranolol won't help anything

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Thank you!

Also, out of interest. If a fluke happened and did all the right prep but it didn't 'finish me off' - what would the potential side effects be? Or would it be just a severe sort of 'hangover'?

Can anyone answer this?

 

[hankbank3928]

What happens if you survive an N attempt? Is there permanent brain damage? Will you be a vegetable?

 

[insomni_yak001]

Can anyone answer this?

I'd be worried about GABA receptor damage. I damaged mine after 8 months on ambien (works on GABAA receptors, like N). It has left me permanently agitated, intolerant to noise and barely able to sleep. It is the reason I want to CTB. One dose of N is hardly 8 months of ambien, but it's so strong there's no way to know it *won't* do some damage.

 

[Cathy Ames]

When you read the case reports it appears that they are concerned about brain damage due to lack of perfusion to the brain among other things.

 

[BrokenBliss]

Tho I'm not exactly answering the OP, that first response has a lot of inaccuracy in it. There's some mixing in of SN protocols. And 72 hours is just wrong.

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Tho I'm not exactly answering the OP, that first response has a lot of inaccuracy in it. There's some mixing in of SN protocols. And 72 hours is just wrong.

Yep and anti-nausea drugs generally aren't necessary on N.

I'd be worried about GABA receptor damage. I damaged mine after 8 months on ambien (works on GABAA receptors, like N). It has left me permanently agitated, intolerant to noise and barely able to sleep. It is the reason I want to CTB. One dose of N is hardly 8 months of ambien, but it's so strong there's no way to know it *won't* do some damage.

Sorry to hear that! I guess you may have answered your own question though in that it's not 8 months of Ambien? I think one failed attempt should be fine, if you were somehow Rasputin and failed 5 or 6 times then maybe you'd have problems with all the N you've taken lol

 

[wljourney]

Can anyone answer this?

Well, consider how N works:

"It depresses brain function so the patient stops breathing and dies."

Yes, your body would be deprived of oxygen and the damage to brain and other organs would be severe if you survived an OD.

However, "survive" can very well mean that you'll die from eventual organ failure a few days later and you likely never regained consciousness.

If the amount of N taken is so little (as in 1 tsp) that you "just sleep for 24 hrs" I can tell you that physical damage can occur in form of "compartment syndrome".

Example (own experience):
OD of benzoes, morphine.
Sidesleeper, turns on the right. Goes into a long sleep and brain doesn't recognize that right arm is tingling from reduced blood flow. Most people would roll over on back or left side.
But OD is preventing it. Brain is slow. Person is so deep asleep the natural instinct is suppressed.

(This also happens often to seniors who have a stroke, fall, can't move and aren't found for a day or two.)

Ends up in hospital with a MASSIVELY swollen upper arm and shoulder. Muscle fibres died off, kidney values extremely elevated (from the protein of muscle fibres flooding the kidneys to be flushed out). 3-4 days of high volume IV fluids to bring kidney levels down.
Months of arm/shoulder pain and restricted movement. Still not back to full function 2 yrs later.

Not. Fun.

Compartment syndrome - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

Well, consider how N works:

"It depresses brain function so the patient stops breathing and dies."

Yes, your body would be deprived of oxygen and the damage to brain and other organs would be severe if you survived an OD.

However, "survive" can very well mean that you'll die from eventual organ failure a few days later and you likely never regained consciousness.

If the amount of N taken is so little (as in 1 tsp) that you "just sleep for 24 hrs" I can tell you that physical damage can occur in form of "compartment syndrome".

Example (own experience):
OD of benzoes, morphine.
Sidesleeper, turns on the right. Goes into a long sleep and brain doesn't recognize that right arm is tingling from reduced blood flow. Most people would roll over on back or left side.
But OD is preventing it. Brain is slow. Person is so deep asleep the natural instinct is suppressed.

(This also happens often to seniors who have a stroke, fall, can't move and aren't found for a day or two.)

Ends up in hospital with a MASSIVELY swollen upper arm and shoulder. Muscle fibres died off, kidney values extremely elevated (from the protein of muscle fibres flooding the kidneys to be flushed out). 3-4 days of high volume IV fluids to bring kidney levels down.
Months of arm/shoulder pain and restricted movement. Still not back to full function 2 yrs later.

Not. Fun.

Compartment syndrome - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ffs man. As someone with really bad ocd/anxiety, the fear of messing up the CTB and being worse off is very real. I wonder if I should switch back to SN as the side effects if unsuccessful seem minimal.

 

[wljourney]

Ffs man. As someone with really bad ocd/anxiety, the fear of messing up the CTB and being worse off is very real. I wonder if I should switch back to SN as the side effects if unsuccessful seem minimal.

I'm very sorry, I don't want to add to your anxiety. But the chance of something going not as planned exists in both cases, albeit small.
If you have N, I would say that's still the best and fastest way.

Think of it this way:
Someone would have to find you and instantly start CPR. Very few people know how to do CPR correctly. Especially challenging on a larger person. Ambulance takes quite some time to arrive, transfer to ER.
All that within 45 min?
I can't see it happen unless you CTB in the hospital parking lot.

 

[BrokenBliss]

I'm very sorry, I don't want to add to your anxiety. But the chance of something going not as planned exists in both cases, albeit small.
If you have N, I would say that's still the best and fastest way.

Think of it this way:
Someone would have to find you and instantly start CPR. Very few people know how to do CPR correctly. Especially challenging on a larger person. Ambulance takes quite some time to arrive, transfer to ER.
All that within 45 min?
I can't see it happen unless you CTB in the hospital parking lot.

And I'm pretty sure, unlike SN, even intervention is rarely successful. There's no methylene blue equivalent for N.

 

[bigbeatmanifesto]

I'm very sorry, I don't want to add to your anxiety. But the chance of something going not as planned exists in both cases, albeit small.
If you have N, I would say that's still the best and fastest way.

Think of it this way:
Someone would have to find you and instantly start CPR. Very few people know how to do CPR correctly. Especially challenging on a larger person. Ambulance takes quite some time to arrive, transfer to ER.
All that within 45 min?
I can't see it happen unless you CTB in the hospital parking lot.

It's okay and Yes true, I'm pretty confident that I could go somewhere and not be disturbed for 45 minutes! If one went to a hotel and drank n at midnight it would be neigh on impossible you'd be disturbed.