Causes for recent SN failures posts

[Tired33]

What is your opinion on most of the recent SN failures posted?

 

[CandyCane]

I think the posts are from using fake SN (perhaps salt?) or nitrite vs nitrate confusion.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that usually when there's a SN failure and questions are asked about it, there's always a reason where something went wrong in the process of ctb for them like as mentioned not following the protocol and this caused them to fail. But the 3rd option is completely incorrect, as SN is a reliable method if done correctly and so many people have died from it after all, it's a poison and if SN is unreliable then there wouldn't be people wishing to restrict it.

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

 

[Judy Garland]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

But the thing is, is you should have died from that friend. You didn't even vomit. The lethal dose of SN is 2 - 5g in a grown male. You didn't do anything wrong with your protocol. Again, you didn't even vomit, so your 10g all got absorbed into your blood stream and that should have been it. The only thing I can think of is that SN is extremely vulnerable to losing its purity. While when I did the research, I found that, "SN has a guaranteed shelf life of at least 3 years, and that caking or clumping is normal within 3 months of the manufacturing date". I can only think that that is not true, and that SN does degrade a lot quicker than I was led to believe. Other people claim that SN loses half of it's purity in 3 months and continues losing its purity from there. So maybe these other people were right? All I know is that I feel like I don't have pure SN anymore. And I've really been turned off from attempting this now. My life sucks. I'm wading in the shambles of this existence and I want out, and now I don't have a way out anymore it feels like. Again, I don't think you did anything wrong at all. I think your SN just wasn't as pure as it should have been. This is very troubling.

 

[jessisme]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

Where did you get your SN, how long did you have it and what was the purity?

 

[resolutory]

But the thing is, is you should have died from that friend. You didn't even vomit. The lethal dose of SN is 2 - 5g in a grown male. You didn't do anything wrong with your protocol. Again, you didn't even vomit, so your 10g all got absorbed into your blood stream and that should have been it. The only thing I can think of is that SN is extremely vulnerable to losing its purity. While when I did the research, I found that, "SN has a guaranteed shelf life of at least 3 years, and that caking or clumping is normal within 3 months of the manufacturing date". I can only think that that is not true, and that SN does degrade a lot quicker than I was led to believe. Other people claim that SN loses half of it's purity in 3 months and continues losing its purity from there. So maybe these other people were right? All I know is that I feel like I don't have pure SN anymore. And I've really been turned off from attempting this now. My life sucks. I'm wading in the shambles of this existence and I want out, and now I don't have a way out anymore it feels like. Again, I don't think you did anything wrong at all. I think your SN just wasn't as pure as it should have been. This is very troubling.

The thing is, surely we would've known this by now though? I don't know how long SN has been the primary method but I feel like this website would've figured this stuff out by now if that was the case.

I'm not sure though.

 

[SaylorTwift]

I don't agree with any of your options. CTBing is hard and failures are statistically bound to happen with any method. Even if a 100 people were to report SN failures on this forum in the following week, it wouldn't make SN any less poisonous or deadly. That's not how science works. The people who successfully CTB by SN can obviously not share their experience on SaSu, nor does every suicidal person frequent this forum. 100 % of people who shoot themselves in the head don't always die either.

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

Where did you get your SN, how long did you have it and what was the purity?

I answered everything as best as I could in my thread. Bought it two years ago, from a private seller, on a website I can't seem to find anymore. 99.89% purity I think. Stored carefully and seal broken about a month ago. There has been suggestion that the brand I got is not particularly good, but I couldn't say, I'm no expert

But the thing is, is you should have died from that friend. You didn't even vomit. The lethal dose of SN is 2 - 5g in a grown male. You didn't do anything wrong with your protocol. Again, you didn't even vomit, so your 10g all got absorbed into your blood stream and that should have been it. The only thing I can think of is that SN is extremely vulnerable to losing its purity. While when I did the research, I found that, "SN has a guaranteed shelf life of at least 3 years, and that caking or clumping is normal within 3 months of the manufacturing date". I can only think that that is not true, and that SN does degrade a lot quicker than I was led to believe. Other people claim that SN loses half of it's purity in 3 months and continues losing its purity from there. So maybe these other people were right? All I know is that I feel like I don't have pure SN anymore. And I've really been turned off from attempting this now. My life sucks. I'm wading in the shambles of this existence and I want out, and now I don't have a way out anymore it feels like. Again, I don't think you did anything wrong at all. I think your SN just wasn't as pure as it should have been. This is very troubling.

I wish I could say something to ease your mind. I know people have been upset at the thought of the method not working, and I don't know what to tell you.
All I can say is that I experienced the symptoms exactly as described, minus the vomiting, although I could feel the urge there. But on the whole, I would definitely describe it as relatively peaceful. I didn't feel I was suffering at all.

 

[Meaninglessness]

There have been many failures with sodium nitrite so this method seems to be risky. I would never choose that method.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

From what I've read so far, some people used SN from PC or other unreliable vendors/brands which turned out to be Nitrate. Sodium Nitrate causes similar symptoms because it causes methemoglobinemia too and 5 to 10% of it gets converted into Nitrite after it mixes with your saliva when you drink it, but it's 6 to 10 times less toxic than SN.

Other possible reasons were that someone mentioned their SN from PC wasn't airtight, some of them unsealed their SN a few weeks or a month before taking it, they took less than the recommended 20/25g, they sipped SN the day before their attempt, and then sipped a glass of SN for 15 minutes even though it needs to be absorbed quickly by the gut to overwhelm the restorative enzyme methoglobin-reductase, and they didn't drink a second glass after throwing up.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Man.. I thought we figured that out already? IntelligentLeg story obviously look like it changed a couple of times and they possibly didn't follow the guide. (PC could possibly be nitrate also)

One of the other users had bad SN.

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

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[locked*n*loaded]

IMO, recent failures with SN, at the very least, are suspicious, more likely, orchestrated.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

But the thing is, is you should have died from that friend. You didn't even vomit. The lethal dose of SN is 2 - 5g in a grown male. You didn't do anything wrong with your protocol. Again, you didn't even vomit, so your 10g all got absorbed into your blood stream and that should have been it. The only thing I can think of is that SN is extremely vulnerable to losing its purity. While when I did the research, I found that, "SN has a guaranteed shelf life of at least 3 years, and that caking or clumping is normal within 3 months of the manufacturing date". I can only think that that is not true, and that SN does degrade a lot quicker than I was led to believe. Other people claim that SN loses half of it's purity in 3 months and continues losing its purity from there. So maybe these other people were right? All I know is that I feel like I don't have pure SN anymore. And I've really been turned off from attempting this now. My life sucks. I'm wading in the shambles of this existence and I want out, and now I don't have a way out anymore it feels like. Again, I don't think you did anything wrong at all. I think your SN just wasn't as pure as it should have been. This is very troubling.

Judy it was the brand they used. It's garbage I thought that I explained this over and over again. There have been numerous threads of people who have tried to use this and woke up in the past. There was another vendor that was supplying it on the jungle website at some point and there was tons of negative reviews on it. I think I'm just going to stay out of this from here on out and quit entertaining these things. I don't know everything but I know for a fact that that product they use is bunk.

 

[tolearn123]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

Hey, would you be able to share your experience of SN if possible via PM or on this forum please. If you have already shared it on the forum can you share link with me please. Thanks

From what I've read so far, some people used SN from PC or other unreliable vendors/brands which turned out to be Nitrate. Sodium Nitrate causes similar symptoms because it causes methemoglobinemia too and 5 to 10% of it gets converted into Nitrite after it mixes with your saliva when you drink it, but it's 6 to 10 times less toxic than SN.

Other possible reasons were that someone mentioned their SN from PC wasn't airtight, some of them unsealed their SN a few weeks or a month before taking it, they took less than the recommended 20/25g, they sipped SN the day before their attempt, and then sipped a glass of SN for 15 minutes even though it needs to be absorbed quickly by the gut to overwhelm the restorative enzyme methoglobin-reductase, and they didn't drink a second glass after throwing up.

So take the recommended dose and take it as fast as possible and I am guessing with small about of water

Judy it was the brand they used. It's garbage I thought that I explained this over and over again. There have been numerous threads of people who have tried to use this and woke up in the past. There was another vendor that was supplying it on the jungle website at some point and there was tons of negative reviews on it. I think I'm just going to stay out of this from here on out and quit entertaining these things. I don't know everything but I know for a fact that that product they use is bunk.

Is IC a reliable source for SN ? I have recently ordered it from them

 

[NoHorizon]

Is IC a reliable source for SN ? I have recently ordered it from them

IC is reliable - I received mine in the UK after 7 days and there seem to have been several successful ctbs on here using SN from IC.

 

[tolearn123]

IC is reliable - I received mine in the UK after 7 days and there seem to have been several successful ctbs on here using SN from IC.

Thank you, they're just so many SN failures posts and it makes me nervous thinking if I am purchasing it from real source. I have ordered 50g but I will order one more 50g just in case

IC is reliable - I received mine in the UK after 7 days and there seem to have been several successful ctbs on here using SN from IC.

Ps. I am in UK too, I should hopefully get mine next week

 

[hunterfla]

I don't agree with any of your options. CTBing is hard and failures are statistically bound to happen with any method. Even if a 100 people were to report SN failures on this forum in the following week, it wouldn't make SN any less poisonous or deadly. That's not how science works. The people who successfully CTB by SN can obviously not share their experience on SaSu, nor does every suicidal person frequent this forum. 100 % of people who shoot themselves in the head don't always die either.

This.

 

[almostoutofhere]

Thank you, they're just so many SN failures posts and it makes me nervous thinking if I am purchasing it from real source. I have ordered 50g but I will order one more 50g just in case

There's been so many more SN successes though. I've witnessed over a dozen CTB's just in the past 2-3 weeks since being on here. Every time there's a fail post, it later turns out they either took bunk SN, or didn't follow the regimen, or just simply want to deceive people.

 

[Shu]

Protocol & other - nitrate might have been consumed.

 

[SeenMoreThanEnough]

What is your opinion on most of the recent SN failures posted?

I'm not an expert on SN, it's properties, or it's use in suicide. but as a layman, i'd say it's down to three things, in no particular order:

counterfeits/scams/improperly labelled 'SN'
dishonesty/balking by the poster
improper dosing

jmo, take care

 

[NotADrill]

I've purchased 10gm Sodium Nitrite 99.5% from APC Pure. It hasn't arrived yet but the credentials check out, does anyone know of any rates of success from this source?

 

[littlelady774]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

How much do you weigh if you don't mind me asking?

I think the reason for most failures is the dose people take and that doesn't guarantee 100% success rate.

But the thing is, is you should have died from that friend. You didn't even vomit. The lethal dose of SN is 2 - 5g in a grown male.

That's the LDLO. The LD50 is 180mg per kg body weight. LD50 is the amount of a material, given all at once, which causes the death of 50% (one half) of a group of test animals.
In other words, those test animals had a 50% chance of dying at the given dose.

To make it 100%, we would do:
180 x 2 x body weight in kg

A grown male, let's say 170 lbs (77 kg) would need to take 27 grams of SN to have a 100% chance of ctb.

If he took ~14 grams of SN, he'd have a 50% chance.

If he took 2-5 grams, probably the lowest lethal dose, he could die, but there would only be a 0.07% - 2% chance of it.

 

[ge0rge]

How much do you weigh if you don't mind me asking?

I think the reason for most failures is the dose people take and that doesn't guarantee 100% success rate.


That's the LDLO. The LD50 is 180mg per kg body weight. LD50 is the amount of a material, given all at once, which causes the death of 50% (one half) of a group of test animals.
In other words, those test animals had a 50% chance of dying at the given dose.

To make it 100%, we would do:
180 x 2 x body weight in kg

A grown male, let's say 170 lbs (77 kg) would need to take 27 grams of SN to have a 100% chance of ctb.

If he took ~14 grams of SN, he'd have a 50% chance.

If he took 2-5 grams, probably the lowest lethal dose, he could die, but there would only be a 0.07% - 2% chance of it.

you keep posting the same post over and over going against both PPEH and Stans guide. what kind of scientific background do you have? do you want people to vomit?

 

[Destiny Calls Me]

If he took 2-5 grams, probably the lowest lethal dose, he could die, but there would only be a 0.07% - 2% chance of it.

I apologize but I have to call you out. Not sure where you got your information from but please dont compare animal testing to humans. Chance of death being 100% dont mean it for sure is 100%. Also the WHO (world health organization), among others, have published studies finding 2-5 grams a LETHAL/FATAL dose without any medical assistance within hours. Saying its only a 2% chance is speaking nonsense.

You are recommended to take 25 grams in 50-100ml of water in case you vomit and still likely be able to absorb enough to ctb given you took enough precautions. Even with that you are still advised to have a back up glass.

 

[hiddenbpd]

Just like birth control, the chance of failure of a substance is never 0%. Perhaps the chance of success is 99.99%, but there will always be outliers. Doesn't mean it should scare people off. People use medication with lower chances of benefit everyday. I understand wanting to be certain SN will work, but death will always have some aspects of uncertainty.

 

[corpsive]

I think another good reason is the fact that we're all physically different. One may weigh more, while someone else may puke more easily, and another may be anemic.

 

[littlelady774]

I apologize but I have to call you out. Not sure where you got your information from but please dont compare animal testing to humans. Chance of death being 100% dont mean it for sure is 100%. Also the WHO (world health organization), among others, have published studies finding 2-5 grams a LETHAL/FATAL dose without any medical assistance within hours. Saying its only a 2% chance is speaking nonsense.

You are recommended to take 25 grams in 50-100ml of water in case you vomit and still likely be able to absorb enough to ctb given you took enough precautions. Even with that you are still advised to have a back up glass.

Sorry I meant to say 7-20% ( forgot to move the decimal point)
And I don't mean a for sure 100%, there are other variables that could make things go wrong. More like around ~99.99%

Again, 2-5 grams is the LDLO. It CAN be fatal, but it's a small probability. Most people would recover if they took that amount.

Look, i'm just going off the LD50 of sodium nitrite.

Safety (MSDS) data for sodium nitrite

Safety (MSDS) data for sodium nitrite

web.archive.org

And trying to shed some light on why some people might fail even if they take 10 to 15 g, or hell even the recommended 25 grams without vomiting. People fail here and get called liers and told their story is fake.
I'm trying to offer an alternative explanation . I honestly think it depends on their body weight and dosage.

you keep posting the same post over and over going against both PPEH and Stans guide. what kind of scientific background do you have? do you want people to vomit?

Just my own research, and no, of course not.

 

[MelodyCymbal]

I was one of these posts. I was pretty open about the whole thing. I didn't follow the protocol exactly and I didn't take the full 25g dose. I would estimate 10-15g.
That said, I have no intent of scaremongering, and for what it's worth, if I attempt again, which I believe I will before long, I still intend to use SN.

Quoting someone from another thread
"Also, just know and trust the brands that have had a reliable purity in the past(such as IC). Don't use the brand "Reagent Inc."! They sell nitrAte labeled as nitrite. So does the brand PC." I recall that you said you used Reagent Inc brand. Try searching posts for that brand name. A lot of people say it's bad. If it is sodium nitrAte relabeled as sodium nitrite that would explain the fail because nitrAte is 6-10X less lethal.

There's been so many more SN successes though. I've witnessed over a dozen CTB's just in the past 2-3 weeks since being on here. Every time there's a fail post, it later turns out they either took bunk SN, or didn't follow the regimen, or just simply want to deceive people.

How did you witness over a dozen ctb's? Via video conference or texting?

 

[Shadowlord900]

Personally I think it's too difficult to tell. Most SN failure topics I've read have either not said enough about what protocols they used and/or weren't clear enough. I suspect it's most people not following the protocol correctly. There can be a little bit of wriggle room with the protocol and still CTB successfully, but when people fail to CTB it's because they've strayed too far away from the recommended protocol. Most common mistake people tend to make is not preparing/drinking a second glass after vomiting out the first one.

Of course the source where the SN was got from, its purity, how it was stored and how long it's kept for can still be a contributing factor to SN failures. But from the looks of things, those issues are not nearly as prevalent as people straying too far from the protocol.