carotid arteries at full hanging

[Pardoe84]

Will carotid arteries automatically be blocked at full hanging? Or is it necessary to find the correct position with the loop?

 

[monday?]

As long as it's placed above the adam's apple with the knot at the back of the neck it should block them

 

[Meteora]

Was wondering the same. Seems like the rope has to be close to the jawline. And the knot in the back.

What rope do you use, if I may ask? How thick should it be?

 

[Vexadin]

Was wondering the same. Seems like the rope has to be close to the jawline. And the knot in the back.

What rope do you use, if I may ask? How thick should it be?

10 mm thicknes is recommended

 

[Meteora]

Ok, thank you, I think mine is about 9mm.
It seems so thin...... Unfortunately there was no information when I bought it how much weight it carries. I ll probably have to buy another one just to be on the safe side.

 

[ae300]

Will carotid arteries automatically be blocked at full hanging? Or is it necessary to find the correct position with the loop?

As long as you are not a anorexic flyweight, you can count with full blocked arteries when the knot is in front or behind the neck.

After simulation, I strongly recommend the rope above the Adam's apple at full otherwise the tightening noose will pull up over Adam's apple and up to the base of your head! Simple physics, you definitely don't want that!
It is easier to stop the blood circulation under the Adam's apple (a little less force) but that doesn't matter at full. So after my simulation this scenario is wonderful for partial. Especially if you kneel and let your upper body fall completely into the loop, I have regularly reach unconsciousness within 5-6 seconds almost painless. After all the attempts I only had minor skin burns, which went away in 1 to 2 days with cream.
My simulation above Adam's apple causes a rough voice for 2 - 3 days, no sore throat, more of a feeling like laryngitis.

I will go full.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

As long as you are not a anorexic flyweight, you can count with full blocked arteries when the knot is in front or behind the neck.

After simulation, I strongly recommend the rope above the Adam's apple at full otherwise the tightening noose will pull up over Adam's apple and up to the base of your head! Simple physics, you definitely don't want that!
It is easier to stop the blood circulation under the Adam's apple (a little less force) but that doesn't matter at full. So after my simulation this scenario is wonderful for partial. Especially if you kneel and let your upper body fall completely into the loop, I have regularly reach unconsciousness within 5-6 seconds almost painless. After all the attempts I only had minor skin burns, which went away in 1 to 2 days with cream.
My simulation above Adam's apple causes a rough voice for 2 - 3 days, no sore throat, more of a feeling like laryngitis.

I will go full.

Initially I was all for going with partial hanging, but the more I learn the more I'm leaning towards full suspension so there's the guarantee of success if there's no way of backing out from it with your legs or arms. the pressure on the neck won't change in such a way as to regain consciousness again with brain damage, provided everything stays in place.
What I don't want to happen with full suspension is hanging in the air for longer, potentially minutes, without blocking off the carotid arteries, that's my main concern atm.

 

[nessun_nome]

Ok, thank you, I think mine is about 9mm.
It seems so thin...... Unfortunately there was no information when I bought it how much weight it carries. I ll probably have to buy another one just to be on the safe side.

It is many many times strong enough to bear your weight. There is no chance of it breaking.

 

[Meteora]

It is many many times strong enough to bear your weight. There is no chance of it breaking.

Hm. Are you sure? Trust is good, control is better .

By the way, how would you test if the anchor is strong enough during the convulsions?

 

[figtree]

As long as you are not a anorexic flyweight, you can count with full blocked arteries when the knot is in front or behind the neck.

is there any kind of different recommendation if someone weighs much less than average?

 

[Fktw0rld]

It requires 11lbs of pressure to cut off blood supply to the brain by way of carotid compression. Average body weight is 12 to 18 times that amount which is why partial is an option. Choice of knot, outer diameter and placement also adds anywhere from 5 to 10% more compression by force. As long as the rope is strong enough to support your bodyweight, you're good.

Respect

 

[ae300]

yeah, as Fktw0rld said, its really easy to close the blood (and so the O2) supply to the brain with a minimum of force. This condition is practically always achieved with full hanging and UIAA 107 or EN 1891 norm rope (diameter of around 10mm) and a good anchor point. Its not nessessary to do a long drop with hangmans knot or so, btw. if you read medical studies that were done after executions, you will find that only in the smallest cases dislocation of the vertebral elements actually occur (in one study, only 4 out of 32 executions with long drop)! So the leading element to death is the closure of the blood supply in all cases of hanging. The brain has little blood volume and therefore a limited supply of oxygen, but needs the most of it. So blackout comes fast after loss of blood supply. Your mechanical side just has to hold on and you can't be disturbed until your heart stops. Job done.

 

[winterparty]

I was also thinking about answering to this thread but SS suffers from too many threads,lack of focus. Now I don't care either :-)

So it's quite easy to block the carotids. So everyone with a good rope with 10mm who places it close under the chin and with the knot backwards will become unconscious rather quickly? https://www.amazon.de/your-orders/p...pmentId=DY2kBkPzr&packageId=1&asin=B017XHSBTE
What do you think about this rope?

And also what do you think about this anchor point? What knot would you recommend for it? I really want to ctb and need to know this.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

i dunno. if you're gonna do it, why not the old fashioned way? why strangle yourself?

 

[リンさん]

I was also thinking about answering to this thread but SS suffers from too many threads,lack of focus. Now I don't care either :-)

So it's quite easy to block the carotids. So everyone with a good rope with 10mm who places it close under the chin and with the knot backwards will become unconscious rather quickly? https://www.amazon.de/your-orders/p...pmentId=DY2kBkPzr&packageId=1&asin=B017XHSBTE
What do you think about this rope?

And also what do you think about this anchor point? What knot would you recommend for it? I really want to ctb and need to know this.
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Sorry, I probably wouldn't be able to answer your question, but what exactly is this thing? If you don't mind sharing. I'm currently looking into things that can serve as anchor points for full suspension, including things I might be able to install myself.

 

[ava.rxs]

Will carotid arteries automatically be blocked at full hanging? Or is it necessary to find the correct position with the loop?

Try partial hanging I tried it once but SI kicked in

 

[nessun_nome]

I was also thinking about answering to this thread but SS suffers from too many threads,lack of focus. Now I don't care either :-)

So it's quite easy to block the carotids. So everyone with a good rope with 10mm who places it close under the chin and with the knot backwards will become unconscious rather quickly? https://www.amazon.de/your-orders/p...pmentId=DY2kBkPzr&packageId=1&asin=B017XHSBTE
What do you think about this rope?

And also what do you think about this anchor point? What knot would you recommend for it? I really want to ctb and need to know this.
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What is the ceiling made out of? That affects everything.

However it looks like a plug and I wouldn't want to rely on that.

Hm. Are you sure? Trust is good, control is better .

By the way, how would you test if the anchor is strong enough during the convulsions?

I'm totally sure.

Generally the convulsions don't seem that wild. Using your hands, pull down on the suspension point with all your weight and bounce up and down a bit.

 

[ae300]

Your anchor point looks more than doubtful to me!
Suitable hooks are usually attached to the wall/ceiling with multiple holes, 4 or more.
In all cases, try it out first! Put your foot in the loop and jump a little.

 

[winterparty]

Yes I will try it out. It's a dowel with a screw. It's concrete. It says it holds up to 285kg. I will tell you whether it passea the test but first I need a reliable knot for the hook

 

[rabbitmalice56]

Initially I was all for going with partial hanging, but the more I learn the more I'm leaning towards full suspension so there's the guarantee of success if there's no way of backing out from it with your legs or arms. the pressure on the neck won't change in such a way as to regain consciousness again with brain damage, provided everything stays in place.
What I don't want to happen with full suspension is hanging in the air for longer, potentially minutes, without blocking off the carotid arteries, that's my main concern atm.

do you know what would happen if u goes on for minutes without blocking of the carotid arteries?

 

[winterparty]

Amazon.de

What do you think about this rope? It's not as expected as in it causes a lot of friction. Do you think it will work

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I was also thinking about answering to this thread but SS suffers from too many threads,lack of focus. Now I don't care either :-)

So it's quite easy to block the carotids. So everyone with a good rope with 10mm who places it close under the chin and with the knot backwards will become unconscious rather quickly? https://www.amazon.de/your-orders/p...pmentId=DY2kBkPzr&packageId=1&asin=B017XHSBTE
What do you think about this rope?

And also what do you think about this anchor point? What knot would you recommend for it? I really want to ctb and need to know this.
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do you know what would happen if u goes on for minutes without blocking of the carotid arteries?

Probably likely suffocate to death including exploding head feeling from compressing jugular veins. But I feel like it's unlikely to not pass out quickly with full suspension, at least I'm hoping.

Amazon.de

What do you think about this rope? It's not as expected as in it causes a lot of friction. Do you think it will work

Apparently it's strong and non stretchy material and 10mm seems thick enough. It seems good.

 

[winterparty]

So I did the test but my feet hurt very fast and the anchor point didn't move when I "jumped". The dowel holds up to 285kg and the screw is inside the dowel. I was thinking about using the Fisherman's Bend but I'm not sure whether this the correct knot or whether it's strong enough. You can see a picture of my anchor point in this thread


EDIT: I found this thread not sure whether it is correct https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/hanging-comfortably.28034/

 

[ae300]

do you know what would happen if u goes on for minutes without blocking of the carotid arteries?

as medical scientific publications say:

around 4.4lbs of pressure is required for jugular
around 11lbs of pressure is required on both carotid arteries
around 33lbs of pressure on the trachea is required to completely close it off

According to the rules of physics, what and in what order will it happen with an even greater body weight.

Probably likely suffocate to death

In a loop that runs evenly around the neck and becomes tighter all sides (slipknot), pure suffocation to death should not happen through a closed airway. Of course, occlusion of airway will occur if you are heavier than 33lbs, but according to all scientific rules, the brain should have used up the little oxygen from its remaining blood volume before.

I hope science is right when it's my turn! Btw the most important thing is that you don't get discovered!
Otherwise something like this happens (both cases immediately rescued by an eyewitness)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3437421/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1024907918762870

And depending on the country and your health insurance, you not only have your life back, but also a bill that is the equivalent of a mid-range car or more. Most health insurance companies don't pay attempted-suicide cases!
So I can't imagine why so many people want to do this in their own busy house, city park, or with dubious tools. Think carefully about the risk you can tolerate.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

as medical scientific publications say:

around 4.4lbs of pressure is required for jugular
around 11lbs of pressure is required on both carotid arteries
around 33lbs of pressure on the trachea is required to completely close it off

According to the rules of physics, what and in what order will it happen with an even greater body weight.



In a loop that runs evenly around the neck and becomes tighter all sides (slipknot), pure suffocation to death should not happen through a closed airway. Of course, occlusion of airway will occur if you are heavier than 33lbs, but according to all scientific rules, the brain should have used up the little oxygen from its remaining blood volume before.

I hope science is right when it's my turn! Btw the most important thing is that you don't get discovered!
Otherwise something like this happens (both cases immediately rescued by an eyewitness)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3437421/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1024907918762870

And depending on the country and your health insurance, you not only have your life back, but also a bill that is the equivalent of a mid-range car or more. Most health insurance companies don't pay attempted-suicide cases!
So I can't imagine why so many people want to do this in their own busy house, city park, or with dubious tools. Think carefully about the risk you can tolerate.

Thanks for info and article links!. I've found a spot which I think is suitable for full suspension hanging. Still yet not obtain a proper rope though.

 

[winterparty]

In this thread hannahB claims that it is unneccessary to put it under your chin while I'm not sure what to believe. My 10mm rope will affect my adams apple as I've tested it. I'm not sure whether it destroys it as well as I weigh 100kg right now (i've become fat)

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[MatthieuFrederickW]

Ok, thank you, I think mine is about 9mm.
It seems so thin...... Unfortunately there was no information when I bought it how much weight it carries. I ll probably have to buy another one just to be on the safe side.

10mm seems way to thin for me, and 20mm seems way too thick. I've settle in 12mm thickness. Seems ideal.

 

[Meteora]

10mm seems way to thin for me, and 20mm seems way too thick. I've settle in 12mm thickness. Seems ideal

but 10mm and 12mm are very close... not much of a difference