CatLove56

CatLove56

Experienced
Jun 30, 2018
267
I'm sitting here thinking about canceling my appointment tomorrow and it takes every part of me not to do that. Keep wondering if there's even point because despite what they say you can't exactly be completely honest with them because they're legally obligated to report your ass if you start talking about suicide.

So then I'm supposed to lie if she asked me if I've done anything to hurt myself no not at all I definitely don't take a rope and start strangling myself my free time just to make myself feel better so I have a way out of the s*** hole. I never do that. I just get depressed I just have high levels of depression :)
 
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NoPoint2Life

Why is this so hard?
Aug 31, 2024
89
Yes. And I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel an overwhelming urge to be honest and it's hard to hold back.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,173
No you can't. Unless you want to be stupid like me and be too open and have your therapist call 9-11 EMS on the spot causing unhealable trauma and irreparable damage to your faith and trust in the mental health system.
 
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sharpiemarker

sharpiemarker

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Sep 22, 2024
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Omg exactly... I just don;t know what to do anymore, sometimes I have an urge to be honest becuase I have some leftovers of hope they can help but I know they won't and I will just put myself at a risk of a hospital stay. Lately I had to come to a heartbreaking realisation therapists really don't give a fuck and I am just like a dog in a shelter to them that has to be put in a cage from time to time
 
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NegevChina

NegevChina

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Sep 5, 2024
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Never tell your therapist your considering CTB. It doesn't mean therapy wont be successful. It will only make your therapist panic. I would still give therapy a chance though. I've had some good years of life thanks to my therapy.
 
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wren-briar

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Jul 1, 2024
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No you can't. Unless you want to be stupid like me and be too open and have your therapist call 9-11 EMS on the spot causing unhealable trauma and irreparable damage to your faith and trust in the mental health system.

My therapist didn't call EMS on the spot, but less than 2 weeks later, en route to her office, I experienced a progression of cognitive issues that I had also told her MH providers had been gas lighting me about for over a year. She offered to take me to the ER, and (again, I was having really bad cognitive issues) I agreed so long as it was only for medical care (I had known for months that what I was experiencing was absolutely unrelated to my depression or responses to trauma, and, lo and behold, I was 100% correct about this) and that she would protect me from anyone who tried to make it about mental health.

For reasons beyond the scope of this, but which she absolutely knew and understood, her car was one giant trigger (imagine being dropped in a bloodsoked blanket), and then en route from her office to the ER she started telling me that I needed to be prepered to be "away for 72 hrs".

I held out a sliver of hope, I kept reminding her I wasn't actively suicidal (always finishing that statement in my head with, "but if you do to me what you're threatening to do to me YOU will MAKE me actively suicidal"), I kept telling her I would never answer suicidal idiation questions in an ER because such questions are completely unrelated to any care that I would EVER seek in an ER.

Of course, she then lied to ER staff, they believed her and not me, I was denied the actual unbiased medical care that I actually sought, the actual unbiased medical care that I should have been given, and the actual unbiased medical care that would have actually helped me and given me a reason to keep living.

... on the spot causing unhealable trauma and irreparable damage to your faith and trust in the mental health system.
The moment that I crossed the threshold into the coffin room, I went from decades of ideation to actively suicidal. I will NEVER trust MH or ER medical staff again.

I am going to kill myself BECAUSE of what was done to me in that ER. The only way to guarantee that I won't be similarly unheard, distrusted, dismissed, disrespected, and imprisoned for my firmly held moral views on suicide -when seeking exclusively medical care that I genuinely should have benefited from, and which, had it been provided, would have given me reason to live- is to not exist.

In other words, the sanctimonious MH idiots drove someone who honestly asked for the actual help that they needed addressed -in order to live- into someone who's remaining goal is simply to CTB.
 
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Esedia

Esedia

Still searching.
Sep 29, 2024
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Suicidal ideation will go on your permanent record, but it tends to become more of a cause for concern (for a therapist) when you explain that you have a plan or are hyperfixating about it. Many mental health professionals will document treating "suicidal ideation without plan". It's okay to admit to a professional that you are having thoughts about death, but try to stress that you are not actively attempting and you do not have a plan.

It's worth going. :)
 
nux_walpurgis

nux_walpurgis

Me, my whispers and a broken God
Oct 18, 2023
135
I was just thinking about the same thing. I have my appointment with my psychiatrist in two weeks and I was wondering whether I should tell her about my suicidal ideation and all that. I was thinking that I would disappoint her, because, some months back there had been some progress.

But it didn't cross my mind that she would have an obligation to report if I tell her I have tangible plans of killing myself. Oops.

Better keep quiet then.
 
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axab43

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Mar 10, 2024
71
Thank you for this thread. I had thought it was just me as I am with a Community Mental Health team and I have found them patronising and gas lighting. They have even said to me "don't you want to be happy?" It has been shocking how bad they are at actually seeing my issues and showing compassion. I have done what people have done on this thread and said I would love to try and think of a way to kill myself and I had the usual phone calls and sarcastic comments.

It has never occurred to me not to be honest before but I am very wary what I tell anyone from CMHT or a therapist now. It is so bad it has to be like that but it seems it is a widespread problem.
 
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Plato'sCaveDweller

Plato'sCaveDweller

Sleep is good, death is better.
Sep 2, 2024
400
You can't. Society loves to talk about removing the stigma or making suicide a taboo-less topic, but it's only so that potential suicides will rat themselves out before they have a chance to execute their plans. In therapy, honesty stops at suicide. With some therapists, you can say "I don't want to be alive" but you cannot admit to having plans. Others will straight up report your ass for even saying that. So it's best to not go there at all during sessions.
 
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NoPoint2Life

Why is this so hard?
Aug 31, 2024
89
I was just thinking about the same thing. I have my appointment with my psychiatrist in two weeks and I was wondering whether I should tell her about my suicidal ideation and all that. I was thinking that I would disappoint her, because, some months back there had been some progress.

But it didn't cross my mind that she would have an obligation to report if I tell her I have tangible plans of killing myself. Oops.

Better keep quiet then.
I totally forgot about the psychiatrist. I have my appointment with the psychiatrist later this week. I feel much calmer lately and the anxiety stopped so I stopped taking my Xanax. But I don't know if I should also say that my depression has gotten worse. She knows of my previous hospital stay so I don't know if it would make things better or worse
 
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mrpeter

mrpeter

Experienced
Jun 11, 2024
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Fuck the law, you shouldn't be punished for harming yourself. You're therapist should only have to report a crime if you are at risk of harming someone else..

People harm themselves because of depression or addiction. You can get a ridiculously long prison sentence over possession of drugs, even though its a victimless crime since you're harming yourself only. It's even stupider that marijuana is still illegal in most states, but alcohol and smoking are perfectly ok.

You can get a life sentence for selling drugs. Donald Trump wants to give death sentence to drug dealers.
It's dumb that people want to ban marijuana and porn just because its addictive, literally no one else is getting harmed. We should also ban the internet then, because literally everyone is addicted to that.
 
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astr4

astr4

memento mori
Mar 27, 2019
351
in comparison i actually feel… pretty great about my therapist. we have an agreement that as long as i will commit to seeing her for our weekly appointment and as long as i haven't set a Date to ctb she doesn't fuss too much over how much i threaten to hurt myself.

she knows i have the means, but i think she also knows it would be worse for my mental health to be institutionalized. and i was explicit, that i can't recover if i can't be honest, and i can't be honest if i think you're gonna call the authorities.

so there's this tentative truce going on, where i'm having to trust she won't report me, and she's having to trust i'm not lying to her about seeing her next week. we'll see how long that lasts, but regardless, i trust in my ability to fool authority figures.

sorry for the ramble, i guess i just wanna say there are? exceptions out there.. not a lot, mind you. this is my 5th or 6th therapist so 20% success rate? but they are out there, ones who will be a bit more flexible and understanding.
 
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