LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
I have been having intense therapy sessions since my failed attempt. I think the therapist is running out of patience and kept repeating that "if you don't want to live, at least stay alive for your friends and family." Do you guys think it is possible to live solely for others? Or is it some kind of sick guilt tripping trick they use on their patients?
 
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JustAboutDone

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Jan 1, 2019
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Hi, that's such a good point and I think it really depends on the mindset of the suicidal person.

Therapists have a limited time to work with people and get to know them and, I guess, to some extent, they want you to prolong your life - or, at the very least, be sure you know what you're doing.

I don't think your therapist is trying to guilt trip you, I think it's more of a case of trying to get you to see longer term that, though you might feel you have unsolvable problems now, if you can find a reason to hold on longer e.g. for family and friends, you may find a different solution to your other problems that caused you to want to ctb.

I know it feels tedious having to sit through it when you feel you've made a decision xx
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
Hi, that's such a good point and I think it really depends on the mindset of the suicidal person.

Therapists have a limited time to work with people and get to know them and, I guess, to some extent, they want you to prolong your life - or, at the very least, be sure you know what you're doing.

I don't think your therapist is trying to guilt trip you, I think it's more of a case of trying to get you to see longer term that, though you might feel you have unsolvable problems now, if you can find a reason to hold on longer e.g. for family and friends, you may find a different solution to your other problems that caused you to want to ctb.

I know it feels tedious having to sit through it when you feel you've made a decision xx

Thanks for your reply. I am absolutely certain that my health problems can't be solved having tried everything conventional medicine has to offer. But I do think I can stay alive for a few more months for my loved ones but it won't be sustainable long term. I just wonder if the extra suffering is worth it in the end.
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
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I have been having intense therapy sessions since my failed attempt. I think the therapist is running out of patience and kept repeating that "if you don't want to live, at least stay alive for your friends and family." Do you guys think it is possible to live solely for others? Or is it some kind of sick guilt tripping trick they use on their patients?
Some can yes, I don't think I can though
 
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15dec

15dec

ember in the dark
Dec 7, 2018
1,550
I think you can live for other people for a while but eventually, your own pain begins to outweigh the bonuses of living for solely for other people. Like @JustAboutDone said, it could help some people hold on until they find another solution for their depression. But for others, existing for other people's benefit will eventually drain them and become too much to bear. It depends on the person and whether or not they find a form of treatment/coping that works for them before they become too tired of living for others, I think.
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
I think you can live for other people for a while but eventually, your own pain begins to outweigh the bonuses of living for solely for other people. Like @JustAboutDone said, it could help some people hold on until they find another solution for their depression. But for others, existing for other people's benefit will eventually drain them and become too much to bear. It depends on the person and whether or not they find a form of treatment/coping that works for them before they become too tired of living for others, I think.

That's a fair assessment. We are sentient beings and no matter how hard we try to hold on, if our conditions do not improve, we will eventually reach our breaking points.
 
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JustAboutDone

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Jan 1, 2019
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Thanks for your reply. I am absolutely certain that my health problems can't be solved having tried everything conventional medicine has to offer. But I do think I can stay alive for a few more months for my loved ones but it won't be sustainable long term. I just wonder if the extra suffering is worth it in the end.

I really feel for you as you are dealing with a lot of pressure; the therapy, failed attempt and it must feel like you are being pushed and pulled in every direction. Sending you love ❤️
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
I've holding on for just over 20 years. It is possible but I don't recommend it.
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
I learn to trust no one, disappear when not needed, and take whatever abuse that came my way.
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
I learn to trust no one, disappear when not needed, and take whatever abuse that came my way.

Does it get easier the longer it goes on? Do you simply adapt?
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
Please don't do this, find another way. Fight back
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
I'm fighting back now, but I'm too f d up to function on my own
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
Please don't do this, find another way. Fight back

How do you mean? Don't live for others? Do whatever I am about to do for my own interests only?
 
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21Neberg

21Neberg

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2018
1,624
I don't think we should stay alive just so family and friends don't have to be hurt. I can't carry this pain on my own. Furthermore, I never asked to be born. I haven't enjoyed it so let me have the freedom to leave, at the very least.
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
How do you mean? Don't live for others? Do whatever I am about to do for my own interests only?
I will still do anything I can to help a child. They can't defend themselves. Other than that, make your own path and let no one have control.
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
How are you fighting back if you don't mind sharing?
The last couple of years, I've got a lot more violent and less tolerant.I don't want to be this way but people think my warnings are a joke
 
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lost illusions

lost illusions

bye
Sep 12, 2018
548
Please don't like my posts here, I don't like this ugly thing I've become
 
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Letmego. Please

Letmego. Please

Wizard
Nov 18, 2018
619
I guess i have always lived for others as I've never had any idea what living for me is, never once have i lived for myself, don't even understand what that would be.

On the plus side, i have found purpose & worth in using my experiences to help others.

But no, at the end of the day, at my age & knackered state i cannot find the justification for me to continue living a freaking painful & going downhill every year 'life' to save the pain i will cause the people i care about the most, i just can't keep doing it.
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
I guess i have always lived for others as I've never had any idea what living for me is, never once have i lived for myself, don't even understand what that would be.

On the plus side, i have found purpose & worth in using my experiences to help others.

But no, at the end of the day, at my age & knackered state i cannot find the justification for me to continue living a freaking painful & going downhill every year 'life' to save the pain i will cause the people i care about the most, i just can't keep doing it.

do u mind sharing how old u r?
 
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Titania

Titania

Ultimate Despair
Dec 31, 2018
46
Everyone is different in what is worth living. Friends and family can mean a lot to one person but some people don't even have that or know what it looks like. It depends on what you value and if you don't feel like friends and family can be a purpose, then it doesn't have to be so. Therapists are like that because they know usually people care for at least someone and will stay for them if it means keeping you alive and safe.
 
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Arak

Enlightened
Sep 21, 2018
1,176
@LostGirl ,

' I have been having intense therapy sessions since my failed attempt. I think the therapist is running out of patience and kept repeating that "if you don't want to live, at least stay alive for your friends and family." Do you guys think it is possible to live solely for others? Or is it some kind of sick guilt tripping trick they use on their patients?'
It is often possible. But the right thing to do ? It can make sense for a parent to stay alive to take care of a child. Some other relationships as well.

But as a young woman, for friends and family ? I think that is the wrong motivation. Make your own choice in life. Or death.
 
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21Neberg

21Neberg

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2018
1,624
Please don't like my posts here, I don't like this ugly thing I've become

well thats a bit too late haha you've got over a thousand likes already haha
 
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longingforrelease

longingforrelease

Specialist
Oct 27, 2018
381
II've been suicidal for almost three years now. You may know my story from other posts, but during the first two years as my whole world collapsed the ONLY thing that stayed my hand was concern for what my suicide would do to my young daughter. Since I moved to Thailand the feelings of remorse, regret and shame for what I did have been made worse by the addition of incredible isolation. But again for the first 4 months, it was still my little girl that has kept me going, though I've taken a few steps toward CTB anyway: started a journal that will go to my daughter that will hopefully make it clear to her how much I loved her and how much joy she brought me, cleaning up my digital devices, etc. But even as I've been journaling, I still entertained doubts about whether I can do this to her -- even if I can find a way to make it look like an accident, which I hope would be somewhat easier to cope with.

But i have to say that the person who has kept me alive these last three years seems to be slipping away from me. When I first got here, we skyped 2-3 times a week. Now I'm lucky if I can reach her once every week or more. It's been since Christmas eve since we've skyped. I've sent her at least 2-3 message a day, sent her videos and pictures of us from before, but she just doesn't seem interested in staying in contact with me anymore. The bond with the child that kept me alive appears to be weakening and with that so does my grip on life. So I really don't know what my answer is to your question. I once thought I could live through the pain to prevent causing her catastrophic pain. I lost my wife, my career, my position in society, a number of friends and colleagues, and my self respect. But through all that lost, my girl was there. But if I've lost her too, there's really nothing left to stay my hand.

For the first time, I'm experiencing a real fear that I might be actually approaching the end that until now has always been somewhat of an abstract possibility.
 
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Jul 31, 2018
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If you CAN stay alive for other, then yes, its worth doing. I did this when I was 17 and things did get better. Ok, so they got worse again recently.
 
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Miss clefable

Enlightened
Aug 23, 2018
1,577
I've tried and I have failed
 
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Nohopepebble

Member
Jan 9, 2019
13
I've lived for others for a couple of years. I always thought that not having to put my family through the heartache of losing me was worth sticking around. But it's just become more and more unbearable. Failed relationships during that period didn't help either. I learnt that people I care about and put first don't deserve me sacrificing my happiness for. In a few days I will finally be able to have the happiness and freedom I've wanted for so long. If you have a reason not to ctb then you aren't truly ready for it
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
Sometimes we have to be selfish in life and do what is best for us and not other people.
 
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