Can anyone become suicidal?

[myownpetvirus]

I've been thinking recently as someone who was very happy and then had a brain injury and became suicidal (not just suicidal thoughts but plans), is there people out there that just won't kill themselves under any circumstances? I am in other forums and groups with people with my similar condition and some of them have been living with it for 10+ years. They still hold on to the fact that they are going to get better (which there is no proof of) and they say they would never kill themselves even though their symptoms and disability are far worse than mine. Like I would be gone after 1 day of their life. Then I look at my partner that recently started having sever e disabling chronic pain that says it's like being stabbed over and over agin and can barely walk. Every doctor said it's basically permanent but he says he's just hoping it gets better one day and he seems to really believe it. Are some people just in denial that it's not going to get better? Are some like animals in that Suicidality is just not an option or on the menu? I look around at so many peoples situations and think oh no, I would reject living like that but they just stick it out to the bitter end through torturous conditions. Why do some folks minds never go to suicide?

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Some people are more resilient than others… I have a very low threshold before I break… I can only be happy and productive under certain circumstances… Too much pressure, and i crack… I have a very low mental constitution… I've always been like this… Comes from childhood neglect… My mother probably thought she was building strength by withholding, love and affection, but it actually has the opposite effect on an infant… The baby experiences fight, or flight and gets overwhelmed with and then shuts down… Creates a pattern that lasts a lifetime… I have a sibling that is highly neurotic… That's another reaction to neglect…

 

[don't want it]

Some people immediately go into depression (I think they are highly absorbent people like my partner) and then think about suicide. Some people need time to get depressed (I have a poor assimilation, for example). It makes me very tired to feel hope and then it goes away and I feel depressed then hope comes and goes and I feel depressed, I give up

 

[Fthis]

I've been thinking recently as someone who was very happy and then had a brain injury and became suicidal (not just suicidal thoughts but plans), is there people out there that just won't kill themselves under any circumstances? I am in other forums and groups with people with my similar condition and some of them have been living with it for 10+ years. They still hold on to the fact that they are going to get better (which there is no proof of) and they say they would never kill themselves even though their symptoms and disability are far worse than mine. Like I would be gone after 1 day of their life. Then I look at my partner that recently started having sever e disabling chronic pain that says it's like being stabbed over and over agin and can barely walk. Every doctor said it's basically permanent but he says he's just hoping it gets better one day and he seems to really believe it. Are some people just in denial that it's not going to get better? Are some like animals in that Suicidality is just not an option or on the menu? I look around at so many peoples situations and think oh no, I would reject living like that but they just stick it out to the bitter end through torturous conditions. Why do some folks minds never go to suicide?

I feel like to a point, everyone can get suicidal, it just depends on what their values and world views are. My friend and I were having a would you commit suicide in ___ scenario thing, and it would take her getting tortured, losing her voice and her hands and going insane to when I've almost done it in less bad situations. She just doesn't really see suicide as an option at all when for me, suicide=no pain

 

[SamTam33]

Some people are more resilient than others… I have a very low threshold before I break… I can only be happy and productive under certain circumstances… Too much pressure, and i crack… I have a very low mental constitution… I've always been like this… Comes from childhood neglect… My mother probably thought she was building strength by withholding, love and affection, but it actually has the opposite effect on an infant… The baby experiences fight, or flight and gets overwhelmed with and then shuts down… Creates a pattern that lasts a lifetime… I have a sibling that is highly neurotic… That's another reaction to neglect...

I liken it to having different tools. Not necessarily more or less resilience.

A quadriplegic has two arms and two legs but they don't function the same as mine. I'm not more resilient than they are. We just have different things to work with.

That's partly how I explain the difference between suicidal and non-suicdal people.

But I definitely identify with having that low threshold for drama and bullshit. Hell, maybe resilience is the right word in that case.

To answer the original question, I don't think so. The 9/11 images come to mind. The ones where several people jumped while others stayed behind, waving shirts out the window. Surely about to be burned alive but holding onto "hope" (?) that they wouldn't?

I don't know if I'd call those kinds of actions hopeful, though. It seems a bit too generous. Like describing a domestic abuse victim who sticks around as hopeful.

To sum it up, I think most people wait for things to happen TO them. Regardless of how hopeLESS and shitty the circumstances, they don't have the gumption to be proactive.

The relatively few who entertain suicide are like, "Fuck this shit."

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I liken it to having different tools. Not necessarily more or less resilience.

A quadriplegic has two arms and two legs but they don't function the same as mine. I'm not more resilient than they are. We just have different things to work with.

That's partly how I explain the difference between suicidal and non-suicdal people.

But I definitely identify with having that low threshold for drama and bullshit. Hell, maybe resilience is the right word in that case.

To answer the original question, I don't think so. The 9/11 images come to mind. The ones where several people jumped while others stayed behind, waving shirts out the window. Surely about to be burned alive but holding onto "hope" (?) that they wouldn't?

I don't know if I'd call those kinds of actions hopeful, though. It seems a bit too generous. Like describing a domestic abuse victim who sticks around as hopeful.

To sum it up, I think most people wait for things to happen TO them. Regardless of how hopeLESS and shitty the circumstances, they don't have the gumption to be proactive.

The relatively few who entertain suicide are like, "Fuck this shit."

Some people have fight inside of them and others don't… I've always been a bit of a quitter… Easily overwhelmed

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Homo sapiens is an animal and suicidality is definitely not on the menu. Suicidality is just a programming bug (the more complex a program is the more likely are bugs). Suicidality at old age would be helpful but evolution has no lever when we are not reproducing anymore.

 

[time2fly]

I watched my hamster spin his wheel around super fast and then put his neck in between the wheel and the stand (broke his neck) so I totally think anyone can. Sometimes dying is just easier than running on the hamster wheel.

 

[GasMonkey]

I watched my hamster spin his wheel around super fast and then put his neck in between the wheel and the stand (broke his neck)

Did he CTB?

 

[myownpetvirus]

Some people have fight inside of them and others don't… I've always been a bit of a quitter… Easily overwhelmed

There are some situations where the battle is pointless though. Like some problems aren't temporary and some things don't get better. Are they the weak ones for continuing to live like that?

Homo sapiens is an animal and suicidality is definitely not on the menu. Suicidality is just a programming bug (the more complex a program is the more likely are bugs). Suicidality at old age would be helpful but evolution has no lever when we are not reproducing anymore.

Yeah true we are destined and designed to continue to suffer

 

[FuneralCry]

Those people are probably lying, I bet that they want to die really but they are just pretending to think differently in front of others, or maybe they really are that deluded to think that their incurable health conditions will get better. And I think that maybe some could be staying here for the sake of other people, but after all we cannot really know how people truly feel, we only know what they choose to share. There is also the fact that suicide is not straightforward, so the difficulty involved in suicide means that many people continue to put up with this life as they basically have no choice to unless they ctb. I bet those people you mentioned would all want N if they were able to easily access it.

I do personally think that anyone can become suicidal if they are tortured enough and I think that everyone has a limit as to how much they can put up with in this life before they become desperate to die. If nothing could ever make some people suicidal, then those people are insane to me. But I really see nothing admirable about choosing to continue existing, especially in a situation of extreme suffering like that. All that we are waiting for is to die anyway so to me it makes no sense to stay here, suffer and risk even worse torture.

 

[jay308]

yes , its true anyone can become suicidal. It's not that they chose to become one , it's the circumstances that make them. For some those reasons or circumstances are not enough to make one suicidal but for others they are.

 

[TAW122]

I think they can, barring some exceptional or special cases, where the person (delusionally) clings onto life at all costs. I think most people when faced with enough adversity and some key elements would be enough to at least make them confront the harsh reality of life and then a step further, possibly think about suicide passively.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Some people are very resilient, some people are naturally very optimistic and think things will get better, other people are very religious and think they will be punished for killing themselves. A lot of people feel that even a shitty life is better than death.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I knew a lady who was the most positive person you could imagine. Always full of energy and life. We met up many years ago and she was telling me that her doctor had prescribed her something which- as a side effect completely changed her mood. She didn't mention suicide but she did say she had become deeply depressed. Till that point- she hadn't really had much time for people with 'depression'. It gave her a whole new insight. So I think- yes- depression can strike anyone- at almost any age probably.

Suicidal ideation and suicide itself- I'm not so sure. I think it depends on a wide range of factors. Support networks I imagine play a big factor, plus- just the person's feelings towards their thoughts. Some people find these thoughts intrusive- so- I imagine they put more effort into banishing them. Perhaps because of religious/social expectations, perhaps because they attribute these thoughts to illness- so- if they get better- maybe they won't have them anymore. I think some people still value life- and perhaps can remember happier times- so they have something to try and get back.

I suppose the more likely canditates for going through with the act are people who are likely isolated- or- at least feel isolated because they can no longer relate to people. I think many of us here no longer have any problem with suicide as a thing. We don't all see an intrinsic value to life. Many of us don't have that happy period to reflect on. That in turn makes it hard to imagine there's anything in our future but more of the same- or likely- that things will just continue getting worse.

For the people who attribute their thoughts to mental or physical illness- that may not necessarily help either- if no treatments are working.

I suppose I think suicidal ideation can hit anyone but it depends on how much you feel you have to live for primarily, how much will you have to fight and, how much hope you have to 'get better' as to whether you will act on it.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

I watched my hamster spin his wheel around super fast and then put his neck in between the wheel and the stand (broke his neck) so I totally think anyone can. Sometimes dying is just easier than running on the hamster wheel.

My goldfish jumped out of its glass bowl — found it shriveled on the floor hours later

My first 'pet' — a gift when I was young.

But I knew it was a cruel existence— and that it was a deliberate act to end its own suffering.

 

[myownpetvirus]

I knew a lady who was the most positive person you could imagine. Always full of energy and life. We met up many years ago and she was telling me that her doctor had prescribed her something which- as a side effect completely changed her mood. She didn't mention suicide but she did say she had become deeply depressed. Till that point- she hadn't really had much time for people with 'depression'. It gave her a whole new insight. So I think- yes- depression can strike anyone- at almost any age probably.

Suicidal ideation and suicide itself- I'm not so sure. I think it depends on a wide range of factors. Support networks I imagine play a big factor, plus- just the person's feelings towards their thoughts. Some people find these thoughts intrusive- so- I imagine they put more effort into banishing them. Perhaps because of religious/social expectations, perhaps because they attribute these thoughts to illness- so- if they get better- maybe they won't have them anymore. I think some people still value life- and perhaps can remember happier times- so they have something to try and get back.

I suppose the more likely canditates for going through with the act are people who are likely isolated- or- at least feel isolated because they can no longer relate to people. I think many of us here no longer have any problem with suicide as a thing. We don't all see an intrinsic value to life. Many of us don't have that happy period to reflect on. That in turn makes it hard to imagine there's anything in our future but more of the same- or likely- that things will just continue getting worse.

For the people who attribute their thoughts to mental or physical illness- that may not necessarily help either- if no treatments are working.

I suppose I think suicidal ideation can hit anyone but it depends on how much you feel you have to live for primarily, how much will you have to fight and, how much hope you have to 'get better' as to whether you will act on it.

Yeah I think Hope seems to be almost genetic. People can endure almost anything no matter horrific as long as there is some possibility of it ending. I think the brain can convince you in almost any situation that things can and will get better. The people I know that are worse than me but continue on are like assured their conditions are going to get better but there is clearly no evidence pointing towards that.

 

[Doctors HATE them]

I believe that suicidal people are just more self aware than non-suicidal prople. We can focus on the facts of our situation better than most and can determine whether or not suicide is the best choice for us. The ability to do that is just blocked off in other people.