By 2029 we could all be immortal

[offtoseethewizard]

Does anything else think about this? Certain very smart people believe that all disease will be curable due to nanotechnology and AI within the next couple of decades. It gives me pause, even though I don't think it's terribly likely

 

[Darkover]

nonsense no chance i don't believe any human being will ever reach immortality, our technology will however how conscious it is a different matter, there's talk of being able to upload your consciousness into a digital computer which is more nonsense our brains rely on chemicals not just zero and ones, today's most advanced cpu It has 2.6 trillion transistors our brains are made up off 3,273,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 nm in the human brain, it's esimated that cpu will have this many transistors 2,589,569,785,738,035,000 by 2071 if moore's law holds ture and we can keep on doubling the number of transistors on a chip for the next 50 years but we are fast approaching one nanometer scale by the year 2025, i can say with high degree of confidence that no human being will be immortal within the next 50 years

there's 7,500,000,000,000,000,000 grains of sand on earth

Every square millimeter on a silicon wafer has fit tens of millions of transistors for a while. Since the wafer is a under a millimeter thick that's about one grain of sand.

for one grain of sand we get 100 million of transistors that means there's enough sand to create
750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 transistors in the world
2,913,276,327,576,980,000,000 transistors shipped since the technology was invented.

 

[fuzzy-clown]

I wouldn't want to live during a time when people can be made immortal. You could be made immortal against your will with no exit.

 

[Fly🦋]

Elon Musk is working on integrating chips and hopes for brain upload technology to deliver soon. For those who want it. It may not be real, but I guess you'll atleast be able to "live" inside a computer for 100 Octillion years?

Woah

 

[Archness]

It'd be ironic when immortality comes, life would be meaningless/pointless with the trajectory of things, and how technological and pharmaceutical advancement could make that much worse. Even if it was free, at that point, most of humanity would just GG, and either ctb or reduce themselves to happy veggies... .

Also, I billeve any real immortality past maybe 200 or 600 years at maximum would have major costs:

We can't simply make a total, accurate, 100% scan of the brain, and dump it to a computer. There's just too much we'd need to accurately measure, and with "raw compute" not growing so fast due to more's law ending, a physical simulation would be impossible, unless you fancy 3 seconds of life every year the world goes round.

Then there's simply preserving the meat ad infinitum. It'd be relatively easy to do for everything but the brain. Entropy eats at everything, you can fight it with maintenance, but I doubt you could artificially maintain the brain, due to it's highly complex nature, and how the extreme timescales effects on the emergent proccess of human consciousness may be to much to counteract via physical means without exceptional sacrifice. The human brain and consciousness might be outright unmaintainable over a"very fucking big" amount of time.

 

[Deleted User#81194]

Way too soon, maybe in 200 years for 'all' to have such options.

 

[lwlaiet8887]

It'd be amazing for me. I hate being in this body but there's some things I enjoy about life

 

[sserafim]

Does anything else think about this? Certain very smart people believe that all disease will be curable due to nanotechnology and AI within the next couple of decades. It gives me pause, even though I don't think it's terribly likely

I think about this too but I don't think we'd be anywhere close to reaching immortality in 2029. Maybe in another hundred years or so. Why would you want to be immortal though? If I could be immortal and be forever young, I'm not even sure I would because I don't want to live nor live forever…

I've seen the movie Upload where they upload your consciousness to a virtual reality so you can keep on "living" after death. But honestly, I think that people aren't meant to live forever. It would eventually get boring to be immortal. I think that the mere fact that life is finite and that we are all mortals makes people appreciate it more.

 

[snowlance]

It would be nice as long as I get to choose when I die and get to look young forever. That way I don't have dysphoria and I can choose when to leave.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Well- if that ever happens, I hope our moral sensibilities develop equally as strongly- so that people do actually have a choice.

 

[offtoseethewizard]

I think about this too but I don't think we'd be anywhere close to reaching immortality in 2029. Maybe in another hundred years or so. Why would you want to be immortal though? If I could be immortal and be forever young, I'm not even sure I would because I don't want to live nor live forever…

I've seen the movie Upload where they upload your consciousness to a virtual reality so you can keep on "living" after death. But honestly, I think that people aren't meant to live forever. It would eventually get boring to be immortal. I think that the mere fact that life is finite and that we are all mortals makes people appreciate it more.

Not sure I want to be immortal - it's all about whether science advances to the point that my mental illness can be cured

 

[sserafim]

Not sure I want to be immortal - it's all about whether science advances to the point that my mental illness can be cured

What kind of mental illness? I have ADHD and ASD and I think maybe one day they could be cured by gene editing. Some may say that's unethical though, to edit the human genome. Honestly who knows though? The brain is so mysterious and there are so many factors involved in mental illness.

Oops forgot to add my (social) anxiety and undiagnosed depression as well…I'm not sure if there's an easy cure for these because there's not just one factor involved in mental illness. It's a combination of things. At least they've identified genes that are implicated in ASD and ADHD….also anxiety and depression can come on suddenly

 

[offtoseethewizard]

What kind of mental illness? I have ADHD and ASD and I think maybe one day they could be cured by gene editing. Some may say that's unethical though, to edit the human genome. Honestly who knows though? The brain is so mysterious and there are so many factors involved in mental illness.

Depression, anxiety (obviously) suicidality, and Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (this is the worst)

 

[sserafim]

Depression, anxiety (obviously) suicidality, and Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (this is the worst)

Sorry to hear that. Anxiety is a bitch, depression as well. What's hallucinogen persisting perception disorder?

 

[lament.]

2029? I do believe that immortality, or more likely something close to it is achievable by humans but it doesn't look like that will come for at-least a few hundred years, because personally I don't see creating an AI copy of yourself as immortality, it would be closer to a copy or a clone.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

This imo is bs . Many reasons . Just one is I guess people have no idea what is going on with ai . In a couple of years ai will surpass a human brain in anything, 5 years max. AI is here. Humans will soon be irrelevant

AI can read at 80,000 words per minute now. While a human only at around 250

People don't get it. AI is the next stage in evolution. Why would a human be needed or relevant for anything if a robot or computer can do anything better, faster.

Plus they will be smarter and ai will keep improving all the time

The weak human primate monkey rat brain is no longer needed



Immortality would be the Worst nightmare to me, impossible , unfeasible and no reason to. Why? To be trapped with bad memories, suffering for a long time, why?
the law of entropy makes this impossible

also impossible the sun is dying so is the universe expanding so fast into nothingness 97% of the galaxies are already forever out of reach moving away from this galaxy faster than the speed of light

 

[oneeyed]

Definitely won't happen so soon but I think it's more likely we'll be headed towards something like the Borg from star trek. AI and cybernetics integrated into our bodies and essentially be a different species. AI is here, resistance is futile

 

[offtoseethewizard]

Sorry to hear that. Anxiety is a bitch, depression as well. What's hallucinogen persisting perception disorder?

It's where your brain reacts badly to LSD and you're stuck in a very light trip permanently. It's pure torture :(

 

[Zegers]

If you can live in an avatar designed to your preference and without physical and mh problems... sounds utopic but it would be ideal.

 

[carac]

So I'm not all that into conspiracy things and I don't think there is some mysterious elite cabal ruling us all. That said I get the feeling that if something like this were to happen it would only be available to the very rich, even if it became dirt cheap it would kept behind a gate by the "ruling elite"

 

[TooConscious]

Careful what you wish for. Isn't the thought of one universal consciousness enough...
I guess some perceptions of self are addicted to the human condition.
Thankfully that's one poison I never had a taste for.

 

[CTB Dream]

Immrtl imposbl math

 

[Dead Horse]

I saw a comment once that said that we may be the last generation that won't get to live for hundreds of years. I don't believe that actual immortality is possible in our biological bodies, but living for way longer than we do now could be achievable. 2029 seems way too early to me, though, even if we take into account AI and the possible acceleration it may bring to scientific research.

Even though living forever sounds scary, if I could live for 2000 years, that would be nice, especially if there was a big red button I could press to end it all, in case I wanted to.

 

[Darkover]

This imo is bs . Many reasons . Just one is I guess people have no idea what is going on with ai . In a couple of years ai will surpass a human brain in anything, 5 years max. AI is here. Humans will soon be irrelevant

your way to optimistic on assuming the capabilities of AI will match human level intelligence within 5 years.
we are at least 50 years off human level intelligence
there's 3,273,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 nm in the human brain thats around 16,366,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms in the human brain

there's only 2,913,276,327,576,980,000,000 transistors shipped since the technology was invented.
First a terabyte SSD stores 8 terabits However, more than one bit is stored per cell (transistor) using about 3 trillion transistors
thats means there could only be 1 billion 1 tb sdd if every transistors is used in existence

This statistic shows shipment numbers for hard disk and solid state drives (HDDs and SSDs) worldwide from 2015 to 2021. Estimates suggest that shipments of HDDs will decline, falling to 395 million units shipped in 2017. SSD shipments are expected to increase to 190 million shipped units that same year.

Global production of transistors has surpassed 20 trillion per second—hundreds of quintillions per year.
thats 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 transistors per year being made but transistors also breakdown so there x amount die per year as well

the biggest cpu in existance only has 1.2 trillion transistors
even if we connected every single transistors into one massive computer you still wouldn't have enough computing power to match the human brain

you could take every single transistors ever made and put into the space of brain and that still couldn't match the human brain

Scientists estimate that Earth contains 7.5 sextillion sand grains. That is 75 followed by 17 zeros.
for one grain of sand we get 100 million of transistors that means there's enough sand to create
750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 transistors in the world

we will run out of sand even before we ever reach human level intelligence

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

your way to optimistic on assuming the capabilities of AI will match human level intelligence within 5 years.
we are at least 50 years off human level intelligence
there's 3,273,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 nm in the human brain thats around 16,366,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms in the human brain

there's only 2,913,276,327,576,980,000,000 transistors shipped since the technology was invented.
First a terabyte SSD stores 8 terabits However, more than one bit is stored per cell (transistor) using about 3 trillion transistors
thats means there could only be 1 billion 1 tb sdd if every transistors is used in existence

Global production of transistors has surpassed 20 trillion per second—hundreds of quintillions per year.
thats 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 transistors per year being made but transistors also breakdown so there x amount die per year as well

the biggest cpu in existance only has 1.2 trillion transistors
even if we connected every single transistors into one massive computer you still wouldn't have enough computing power to match the human brain

you could take every single transistors ever made and put into the space of brain and that still couldn't match the human brain

for one grain of sand we get 100 million of transistors that means there's enough sand to create
750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 transistors in the world

we will run out of sand even before we ever reach human level intelligence

I disagree . Humans will be irrelevant soon . I predict AGi in 5 years or less.

[2303.12712] Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4

Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4

Artificial intelligence (AI) researchers have been developing and refining large language models (LLMs) that exhibit remarkable capabilities across a variety of domains and tasks, challenging our understanding of learning and cognition. The latest model developed by OpenAI, GPT-4, was trained using an unprecedented scale of compute and data. In this paper, we report on our investigation of an early version of GPT-4, when it was still in active development by OpenAI. We contend that (this early version of) GPT-4 is part of a new cohort of LLMs (along with ChatGPT and Google's PaLM for example) that exhibit more general intelligence than previous AI models. We discuss the rising capabilities and implications of these models. We demonstrate that, beyond its mastery of language, GPT-4 can solve novel and difficult tasks that span mathematics, coding, vision, medicine, law, psychology and more, without needing any special prompting. Moreover, in all of these tasks, GPT-4's performance is strikingly close to human-level performance, and often vastly surpasses prior models such as ChatGPT. Given the breadth and depth of GPT-4's capabilities, we believe that it could reasonably be viewed as an early (yet still incomplete) version of an artificial general intelligence (AGI) system. In our exploration of GPT-4, we put special emphasis on discovering its limitations, and we discuss the challenges ahead for advancing towards deeper and more comprehensive versions of AGI, including the possible need for pursuing a new paradigm that moves beyond next-word prediction. We conclude with reflections on societal influences of the recent technological leap and future research directions.

 

[Darkover]

chatgpt is nothing more then than a fancy autocomplete, i've played around with chatgpt for programming it makes mistakes all the time and the code it produces in its raw form is unusable and needs editing in 3 different programming languages java, c/c++, euphoria

 

[sserafim]

Do you guys think AI will ever gain consciousness or become sentient?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Do you guys think AI will ever gain consciousness or become sentient?

Yes. do you @ifeelthelight think so ? I do in 5 years or less imo

 

[sserafim]

I disagree . Humans will be irrelevant soon . I predict AGi in 5 years or less.

[2303.12712] Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4

Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence: Early experiments with GPT-4

Artificial intelligence (AI) researchers have been developing and refining large language models (LLMs) that exhibit remarkable capabilities across a variety of domains and tasks, challenging our understanding of learning and cognition. The latest model developed by OpenAI, GPT-4, was trained using an unprecedented scale of compute and data. In this paper, we report on our investigation of an early version of GPT-4, when it was still in active development by OpenAI. We contend that (this early version of) GPT-4 is part of a new cohort of LLMs (along with ChatGPT and Google's PaLM for example) that exhibit more general intelligence than previous AI models. We discuss the rising capabilities and implications of these models. We demonstrate that, beyond its mastery of language, GPT-4 can solve novel and difficult tasks that span mathematics, coding, vision, medicine, law, psychology and more, without needing any special prompting. Moreover, in all of these tasks, GPT-4's performance is strikingly close to human-level performance, and often vastly surpasses prior models such as ChatGPT. Given the breadth and depth of GPT-4's capabilities, we believe that it could reasonably be viewed as an early (yet still incomplete) version of an artificial general intelligence (AGI) system. In our exploration of GPT-4, we put special emphasis on discovering its limitations, and we discuss the challenges ahead for advancing towards deeper and more comprehensive versions of AGI, including the possible need for pursuing a new paradigm that moves beyond next-word prediction. We conclude with reflections on societal influences of the recent technological leap and future research directions.

Wait so what's gonna happen when AI takes all of our jobs? Are we all going to be jobless or will we never have to work anymore? Unfortunately I think the first option is more likely, and many people will lose their jobs, making the unemployment rate increase dramatically. I'm not sure if there's going to be a recession though

 

[Darkover]

Do you guys think AI will ever gain consciousness?

with quantum computers maybe when they have at least 100 million qubits they could achieve consciousness with current computer technology AI as no chance of achieving consciousness