Brain damage with nitrogen exit bag?

[September Salt]

I've been planning to use an EEBD hood from EM and a large tank of nitrogen while sitting in a recliner. But I have recurring doubts that something will go wrong and I'll wind up a vegetable, especially if it's true that nitrogen causes convulsions.

Do you think the hood instead of a bag will make that outcome less likely? I know no method succeeds 100% of the time but I used to think this one was close. Now I'm not so sure.

 

[befree]

Better use the scuba diving equipment.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-inhale-nitrogen-gas-from-clinder.94119/

 

[Lifeaballache]

Wait?? Nitrogen causes convulsions? I've not heard that one Before? Can anyone confirm ot deny?

 

[befree]

Wait?? Nitrogen causes convulsions? I've not heard that one Before? Can anyone confirm ot deny?

No convulsions, but maybe tremor which is painless. This can occur mainly with the exit bag, not with the scuba diving equipment.

 

[September Salt]

Better use the scuba diving equipment.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-inhale-nitrogen-gas-from-clinder.94119/

So with a SCBA kit from EM lying down on a bed with a 15 lpm flow would do the job?

 

[befree]

I can´t tell you anything about the SCBA method, but only about the scuba method.

 

[Greenberg]

@befree, you are very wedded to the SCUBA method. I think you are doing a great disservice to forum members when you advocate a more expensive setup of equipment with no added benefit.

A proper SCUBA setup as you have suggested costs over a thousand dollars while an SCBA setup costs much less and is simpler to put together. (Just price out the setup you have listed prior.) Moreover, there are added complications to SCUBA unless the user is already a diver, i.e., connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard, and removal of the mouthpiece to facilitate nasal breathing.

Again, there is absolutely no advantage to the SCUBA setup over the SCBA setup. Please do not mislead.

 

[Aardvark]

Does anyone have an opinion on the type of plastic bag to use? I've read in the PPeH that a turkey oven bag is sufficient, yet when I look at the type of plastic/cellophane this does seem a little bit fragile. I really don't want to ruin this one go at getting it right first time!!

Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated!

 

[Interloper]

Does anyone have an opinion on the type of plastic bag to use? I've read in the PPeH that a turkey oven bag is sufficient, yet when I look at the type of plastic/cellophane this does seem a little bit fragile. I really don't want to ruin this one go at getting it right first time!!

Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated!

Get the turkey bags and simulate all the things you think might happen once you go unconscious and see if they hold up. Mine were pretty sturdy.

 

[Aardvark]

Get the turkey bags and simulate all the things you think might happen once you go unconscious and see if they hold up. Mine were pretty sturdy.

Thank you for that confirmation. I've constructed two Exit Bags already with different thickness cellophane/plastic. I must say that the turkey bag is just so much easier to manipulate, but because it's so thin, I've been a little anxious!

 

[Interloper]

Thank you for that confirmation. I've constructed two Exit Bags already with different thickness cellophane/plastic. I must say that the turkey bag is just so much easier to manipulate, but because it's so thin, I've been a little anxious!

Put it through some stress tests, don't take my word as fact.

 

[befree]

@befree, you are very wedded to the SCUBA method. I think you are doing a great disservice to forum members when you advocate a more expensive setup of equipment with no added benefit.

A proper SCUBA setup as you have suggested costs over a thousand dollars while an SCBA setup costs much less and is simpler to put together. (Just price out the setup you have listed prior.) Moreover, there are added complications to SCUBA unless the user is already a diver, i.e., connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard, and removal of the mouthpiece to facilitate nasal breathing.

Again, there is absolutely no advantage to the SCUBA setup over the SCBA setup. Please do not mislead.

What you are writing is completely wrong. "costs over a thousand dollars" Ridiculous. I don´t know where you live, but check prices at dealers in Europe and you will see that your statement is completely wrong."connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard"...That´s why there is a INT-adapter available that you can order worldwide.

I´m not misleading anyone. This is an insult ! What you are doing is causing confusion among other members. Do some research and your will find out that many people worldwide used exact the equipment I have. If you love your SCBA equipment, use it. But don't accuse other members of misleading other members !!!

I´m out of this ridiculous discussion.

 

[Greenberg]

What you are writing is completely wrong. "costs over a thousand dollars" Ridiculous. I don´t know where you live, but check prices at dealers in Europe and you will see that your statement is completely wrong."connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard"...That´s why there is a INT-adapter available that you can order worldwide.

I´m not misleading anyone. This is an insult ! What you are doing is causing confusion among other members. Do some research and your will find out that many people worldwide used exact the equipment I have. If you love your SCBA equipment, use it. But don't accuse other members of misleading other members !!!

I´m out of this ridiculous discussion.

All I hear from you is SCUBA ad nauseam... Give it a rest.

 

[Foresight]

Everyone has the right to post their opinions of their preferred setup and why. Feel free to share what you prefer.

 

[Lastsauce]

Does anyone have an opinion on the type of plastic bag to use? I've read in the PPeH that a turkey oven bag is sufficient, yet when I look at the type of plastic/cellophane this does seem a little bit fragile. I really don't want to ruin this one go at getting it right first time!!

Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated!

The oven bags are very tough but ridiculously crinkly. Just be careful with anything sharp that can slash them open.

 

[befree]

Everyone has the right to post their opinions of their preferred setup and why. Feel free to share what you prefer.

Exchange of opinions yes, but insult and false claim no !

 

[steve_s5]

@befree, you are very wedded to the SCUBA method. I think you are doing a great disservice to forum members when you advocate a more expensive setup of equipment with no added benefit.

A proper SCUBA setup as you have suggested costs over a thousand dollars while an SCBA setup costs much less and is simpler to put together. (Just price out the setup you have listed prior.) Moreover, there are added complications to SCUBA unless the user is already a diver, i.e., connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard, and removal of the mouthpiece to facilitate nasal breathing.

Again, there is absolutely no advantage to the SCUBA setup over the SCBA setup. Please do not mislead.

The SCUBA Method is good and it works, as proven by different reports about people committing ctb and using it.
But you are right for a beginner who maybe lacks the experience in Diving Equipment, has maybe some trouble to put it together.
But even then there are Tutorials, and different PDF that show you how to connect the cylinder correctly via Adapter that's not a problem.

What you mean by "SCBA setup." ?` You mean the Exit-Bag Method?

 

[Lastsauce]

What you mean by "SCBA setup." ?` You mean the Exit-Bag Method?

Firefighters for example use SCBA.

 

[Greenberg]

Exchange of opinions yes, but insult and false claim no !

@befree, you believe what you want. I will say no more.

 

[Joeydoe]

No convulsions, but maybe tremor which is painless. This can occur mainly with the exit bag, not with the scuba diving equipment.

What difference would bag vs hood make? Either way, all you are doing is being fed nitrogen.

 

[avaruus]

"costs over a thousand dollars" Ridiculous. I don´t know where you live, but check prices at dealers in Europe and you will see that your statement is completely wrong.

They are indeed about a thousand dollars in europe, atleast in Finland.

 

[GasMonkey]

Do you think the hood instead of a bag will make that outcome less likely?

The EEDB is much better than the manually crafted bag, it's a system intended exactly for the subject matter (to breath a gas from a cylinder while being isolated and protected from the external gas).

What difference would bag vs hood make?

The EEDB hood has one-way valves for CO₂ exhalation, and it's obviously much better designed than the average "turkey bag" that you craft at home, since it's a real commercial product used in emergency industries.

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

I've been planning to use an EEBD hood from EM and a large tank of nitrogen while sitting in a recliner. But I have recurring doubts that something will go wrong and I'll wind up a vegetable, especially if it's true that nitrogen causes convulsions.

Do you think the hood instead of a bag will make that outcome less likely? I know no method succeeds 100% of the time but I used to think this one was close. Now I'm not so sure.

All i can say is that you are right to be doubtful. It's just lack of oxygen, and lack of oxygen can indeed lead to serious brain damage.

Personally, i would never do it without some person around to finish me off in case something went wrong and i ended up as a vegetable. This could easily be done without leaving any evidence, nobody would know what happened in case it was done by suffocation through the bag and the bag and the tank were then left in place. So there would be virtually no risk of getting caught for this person.

Then again, i would almost never trust a person who agrees to something like this to actually follow through with it. So i guess i wouldn't do it at all.

 

[September Salt]

@JustSwingingTheD Thanks for your input.

Does anyone feel differently?

What bothers me is I don't know of any verified successful uses of the nitrogen method by people acting alone. Unlike SN, I haven't seen videos or transcripts from livestreams. What I have seen are people saying they're going to use it and then they stop posting to this forum. That doesn't mean they died - if they're vegetables they couldn't post either. And there's no third party suicide registry that is keeping track of people's success with the method.

I want to believe in the nitrogen method and use it. But unfortunately people like the German guy who got banned offered accounts of at least one witness who saw things go wrong. I'm not going to have an assistant who can intervene.

I've read news and medical reports of deaths from exit bags but how do we know they didn't get the kind of secret help that JustSwingingTheD mentioned?

Any additional clarification would be appreciated. I'm not trying to cause trouble or drama here. I'm just looking for evidence that will help me make the biggest decision of my life. Thanks.

 

[Lifeaballache]

@JustSwingingTheD Thanks for your input.

Does anyone feel differently?

What bothers me is I don't know of any verified successful uses of the nitrogen method by people acting alone. Unlike SN, I haven't seen videos or transcripts from livestreams. What I have seen are people saying they're going to use it and then they stop posting to this forum. That doesn't mean they died - if they're vegetables they couldn't post either. And there's no third party suicide registry that is keeping track of people's success with the method.

I want to believe in the nitrogen method and use it. But unfortunately people like the German guy who got banned offered accounts of at least one witness who saw things go wrong. I'm not going to have an assistant who can intervene.

I've read news and medical reports of deaths from exit bags but how do we know they didn't get the kind of secret help that JustSwingingTheD mentioned?

Any additional clarification would be appreciated. I'm not trying to cause trouble or drama here. I'm just looking for evidence that will help me make the biggest decision of my life. Thanks.

If you are using nitrogen by yourself locked in a room somewhere and it doesn't go to plan and leaves you in a veggie state....you're still going to die eventually surely? Once you're brain damaged you need a lot of care. The person if not found will eventually pass away due to either the brain not working or other issues.

 

[tired868686]

@befree, you are very wedded to the SCUBA method. I think you are doing a great disservice to forum members when you advocate a more expensive setup of equipment with no added benefit.

A proper SCUBA setup as you have suggested costs over a thousand dollars while an SCBA setup costs much less and is simpler to put together. (Just price out the setup you have listed prior.) Moreover, there are added complications to SCUBA unless the user is already a diver, i.e., connection to the cylinder when the cylinder follows a non-DIN standard, and removal of the mouthpiece to facilitate nasal breathing.

Again, there is absolutely no advantage to the SCUBA setup over the SCBA setup. Please do not mislead.

All @befree said was "I can´t tell you anything about the SCBA method, but only about the scuba method."
That's not implying anything against the SCBA setup.
They have said they can't give any information regarding that and only can help with the SCUBA method.
I don't understand the criticism at all regarding this when they are only posting information regarding to a specific method and not claiming to know anything about the other method for this option.
It's all information that each member can decipher for themselves what is best for their situation suited for their decision.
The more information, the better.
@Greenberg I know @befree is not misleading anyone as this member has been nothing but honest and straight up and helpful with me! They are not misleading anybody!!

 

[GasMonkey]

I've read news and medical reports of deaths from exit bags but how do we know they didn't get the kind of secret help that JustSwingingTheD mentioned?

You can apply that logic to any CTB that happens in the world "they succeeded cuz they received secret help yup". Maybe you are forgetting that helping to CTB is an extremely serious criminal offense in most countries, do you think there are a lot of people willing to risk 10+ years on jail for helping some folk to CTB?

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

@JustSwingingTheD Thanks for your input.

Does anyone feel differently?

What bothers me is I don't know of any verified successful uses of the nitrogen method by people acting alone. Unlike SN, I haven't seen videos or transcripts from livestreams. What I have seen are people saying they're going to use it and then they stop posting to this forum. That doesn't mean they died - if they're vegetables they couldn't post either. And there's no third party suicide registry that is keeping track of people's success with the method.

I want to believe in the nitrogen method and use it. But unfortunately people like the German guy who got banned offered accounts of at least one witness who saw things go wrong. I'm not going to have an assistant who can intervene.

I've read news and medical reports of deaths from exit bags but how do we know they didn't get the kind of secret help that JustSwingingTheD mentioned?

Any additional clarification would be appreciated. I'm not trying to cause trouble or drama here. I'm just looking for evidence that will help me make the biggest decision of my life. Thanks.

Just pay somebody. I'm sure you can find someone from the internet. Personally, i would still rather try N, or better yet, why not both?

You can apply that logic to any CTB that happens in the world "they succeeded cuz they received secret help yup". Maybe you are forgetting that helping to CTB is an extremely serious criminal offense in most countries, do you think there are a lot of people willing to risk 10+ years on jail for helping some folk to CTB?

For money? Yes. People do far more dumber things for practically nothing. The key is finding the guy who does it at least partly for empathy. If he is just in it for the money, he will take it and run as soon as you go limp.

 

[GasMonkey]

I don't need to find anybody to do anything for me. I will strap my entire body to a deckchair with an SCBA in my head connected to a 2000L pure N₂ cylinder with enough gas to kill an elephant. There's no way I'm surviving that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do.

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

I don't need to find anybody to do anything for me. I will strap my entire body to a deckchair with an SCBA in my head connected to a 2000L pure N₂ cylinder with enough gas to kill an elephant. There's no way I'm surviving that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do.

Being careful is mental gymnastics now, gotcha