Venting Bothered by the Tantacrul video

[IWishToDie]

I can't watch it anymore, as I am banned from YouTube and refuse to make a new account with supply of my ID just to watch a dumb restricted video (lol).

HOWEVER
Despite him leading me to this website (which I would have found in the end anyway), I really have a problem with the whole 'anti-suicide' movement that he has tried to progress. I find the whole 'think of the children' approach to be ridiculous, and implying a *cult* mentality to suicide. You're more likely to be told to CTB in an inhumane fashion on Twitter than you are on SaSu. I am a very new member but I have been lurking here since that video came out and I have never seen any toxic behaviour on SaSu.

I absolutely cannot stand attempts by do-gooders such as this man to stem the flow of free speech and free information - these are values higher of importance than any individual life or ideal that has EVER existed.

Are there sad parents who lost a child to suicide, where there was a good chance for the person to live a long and happy life if they just hung in there? Yes sure, these tragedies happen absolutely. There are plenty of teenagers also that have died from excess alcohol consumption, nobody ever talks about banning alcohol. What about motorvehicles? Never. The child (teen) would have CTB anyway without this website, they would have just found a more violent method which nobody ever truly wants to choose. If the government allowed Nembutal there would be no problems.

There are so many people out there from seniors down to teenagers who have every reason and pain to justify leaving this life and want to do so peacefully. Nothing they do will ever fix their problems. Extreme mental problems, physical disability, terminal illness, abuse as a child, abject poverty etc. There are too many valid reasons to name.

Every case is different, there are people who can be 'saved' and they are just making impulsive decisions, but there are many more people who have had suicide tucked into the back of their mind for over a decade that need a community like this and who need safe access to life-ending chemicals because the state FAILS to help people with this. They just want to milk you for all your tax money and drag you through life kicking and screaming. No impulsive teenager who has a sudden thought of suicide after a heartbreak is going to lurk the internet and spend months waiting on a chemical to be delivered.

It's all worse if you're a man, you have to compete. Life is just one big competition and if you can't compete you're just another failure and nobody cares about you, not even your family. They never (nobody) truly ever cares or listens, understands. You're just seen as broken, a coward, a loser - even if your problems are not your fault. Why wouldn't you CTB in that situation? Do people like Tantacrul not understand any of this?

He says in the comments *You'll be happy to know that the person who sold me the poison I purchased while making this video has been arrested by police in Canada. It turns out that he has sold something in the region of 2K orders to people around the world.*

Happy? You absolute bastard! He was supplying something like Nembutal or Nitrite which can be hard to find, that man was and is an unsung hero.

How do you guys feel about the anti-suicide ideology?

 

[UKscotty]

Anti suicide is a small movement and not one to worry about. The media run the odd article but that's true of anything. Like they will have outrage at one stabbed white kid, but not 20 black ones. Or outrage at someone stealing £50 in benefits but not a CEO nabbing £50m.

Society is becoming a lot more accepting of suicide the past decade, certainly here in the UK.

 

[JKFleck]

From my pov society is 'blindly' pro-life while also simultaneously making life harder, especially for the most vulnerable poor people who can't afford to get help in the first place.

 

[malware]

I watched that video in the start of last year, admittedly it's what lead me to this website and having this website as an escape helps so much. People like tantacrul don't understand shit frankly

 

[Kta1994]

Anti suicide is a small movement and not one to worry about. The media run the odd article but that's true of anything. Like they will have outrage at one stabbed white kid, but not 20 black ones. Or outrage at someone stealing £50 in benefits but not a CEO nabbing £50m.

Society is becoming a lot more accepting of suicide the past decade, certainly here in the UK.

Im not sure about that, assisted suicide and euthanasia? Sure in some progressive countries, not suicides in general.

 

[AveMori]

Anti suicide is a small movement and not one to worry about. The media run the odd article but that's true of anything. Like they will have outrage at one stabbed white kid, but not 20 black ones. Or outrage at someone stealing £50 in benefits but not a CEO nabbing £50m.

Society is becoming a lot more accepting of suicide the past decade, certainly here in the UK.

Anti suicide people will one day be seen as clearly having been on the wrong side of history. It can only be argued through religious dogmas raising the worth of living up ridiculously and completely ignoring the reality of people suffering beyond any reasonable degree for fleeting moments of empty unfulfilling joy.

 

[UKscotty]

Im not sure about that, assisted suicide and euthanasia? Sure in some progressive countries, not suicides in general.

We are decades away, maybe never for general assisting people to die.

Letting people die and not interfering too much though, we are not too far already.

I don't think we need the government to waste time and resources to setup assisted suicide, if someone wants to CTB they will find a way. What we need is for the police and other law enforcement agencies to respect our wishes and not 'rescue ' people who want to leave.

 

[Lulzacruel]

If you guys want to watch this video without giving it a lot of your views then you can try using a nice private indivious instance like yewtu.be. Uses a trick to get a video without giving it ad money views and your ip. Supports tor and no javascript.

Because people are bad at computers and someone will probably ask me this...
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C3y6SsGAWks (the tantacrul video without giving him money and views)

 

[SecretDissociation]

The anti-suicide ideology, to be frank, is simply annoying. I saw another thread that related this to pro-choice, and honestly why can't pro-choice be the same with suicide. The ideology only seems to favor the act of living. People who think anti-suicide haven't felt the necessary pain that leads you to suicidality. And even if they did, sometimes they forget that recovery is not a fit-all glove. I am in recovery and it is so fucking hard. It makes me more suicidal. I explain this and I just get a keep trying or wait till it works sentiment. Anti-suicide is just another, live forever sentiment that healthy/people think will magically heal the hurt. But it won't and that is the truth.

 

[koalahymm]

Society seems to thrive on there always being someone that others can look down on. I've found that we are that for a lot of people. They act like posting the number for suicide prevention makes them amazing people. Maybe they truly believe that wanting to stop the pain makes you too stupid to look up a phone number.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

I'm just glad the video is age restricted again.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

People don't want to honestly examine the real reasons for suicide - that our society is broken and that our lives are very often devoid of any real meaning and full of pain that we lack much control over. People like Tantacrul would rather just have a lazy scapegoat, so they can jump up on their high horse and moralise to feel good about themselves. Then they can go back to ignoring the problem and spreading some useless anger and hatred towards a community of people who very often have a history of being the targets of abuse and hatred to begin with.

It's also unbelievably naive and stupid, to paint an "us" and "them" dynamic in this community. He tries to pretend that this community is a bunch of vulnerable people, being preyed on by a bunch of shadowy psychopaths who get a kick out of pushing people over the edge. Anyone who has ever spent even 5 minutes on this site, can see that this is a ridiculous misrepresentation of the true nature of this forum. It's full of kind and empathetic people, who understand why most of us are here and there is no pressure from anyone to do anything.

What really bothers people like Tantacrul, is the idea that as a community we have a voice and some measure of power/control over our own destiny and can stand up for ourselves. But as individuals, we can be silenced much more easily.... and for people with his mentality, he no doubt prefers the latter scenario where suicidal people can be pushed to the margins of society, infantilized, gaslighted and generally made to feel like their problems are some sort of mental defect. That we are broken, and need to be sent back to the factory to be repaired... not someone who's views and rights should be respected and who's dignity should be protected.

 

[TheBroken]

In 10-20 years many countries will have MAID (or equivalent) just like Canada. Canada's government and corporations figured it out correctly - humans who are mentally or physically defective are not good consumers, taxpayers, or workers but instead a drain on society. If I lived in Canada my MAID application would be immediate. Fortunately I will reach terminal on cancer not too long from now so it doesn't matter.

 

[dhaak]

That video annoyed me more than the "I'm here for you!" type comments underneath 'calming' videos. It's all done for personal gain, whether it be morally or like in this case, financially.

A lot of the things he said are pure lies. I've never seen a post here that pressured, pushed or stimulated people to commit suicide; quite the contrary. Personally, I've put off CTB'ing because of people stating hard facts about consequences of failing, being found by innocent people or just genuinely being understood and able to talk and read about feelings freely.