Blow your head to pieces with tactical shotgun slug?

[toomuchgrief]

So initially I plan to plunge 2,000+ feet to my death. In my hometown Shanghai there plenty of skyscraper buildings to plunge down. But then that take airplane ticket travel back to my homeland die in a place I born in.

I don't have the patience to plan a trip travel, etc.. So I go with my backup method. I pay almost $1,000 for the KSG shotgun including slug ammo, the one that this guy below suicide used. Since I already prepaid the money and my background check is perfectly clear, I can pick up the brand new gun after 10 days.

I think it faster to end it this way, BAM, with a tactical shotgun to your head and blow your head to pieces like this guy. I doubt I be in pain long, it be over fast, you can't be in pain if you don't have a head left.

So this gun, and anyone here I'm sure have watch this video of him blow his head to pieces right? This gun can be that powerful. Which is good, the goal is death so you need a powerful gun.

So asking gun route peps, if you use this exact gun below, use slug. Point to your head like how this guy does in the video, and BAM. Since it blow his head to pieces, it should also blow my head. What are the chance do you think I can survive with this gun?
I only have ONE chance to CTB, so let pray it damn work, last thing I want is be in a coma, but then you can't be in a coma if you don't have a head left to begin with.

So help me with my pole here please,
use this exact shotgun like this guy.
Or go back to my hometown and plunge down 2,000+ feet to my death.
Which method you think it will be a higher chance of me dead? Money is not the problem, I still can travel back to my homeland to jump if that a better chance of die.

If you haven't see the video, you can see it here.

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[toomuchgrief]

Bump, anyone if not comment please vote so I can know your opinion on which method prefer.

 

[2Min2Midnight]

I have been around guns my whole life and if you use a shotgun with birdshot, buckshot or slugs and shoot straight into your forehead or temple I don't see how you could possible survive. If you are serious about this method take a look at the documenting reality site and watch the various gun suicide videos and also the medical section of the site, the failures are the ones that aim just under their chins facing forward or at their temple facing forward with a handgun.

 

[1DayItWillBover]

im scared of heights so i wouldnt be able to climb up that far but also a shotgun slug would to be gruesome.. but if i had no choice then a shotgun.

 

[notjustyetagain]

[there's zero chance i'm going to watch that video, sorry.]

both methods have a very high chance of success, but i think a properly-aimed shotgun blast would be closer to 100% than even a 2,000+ ft jump. shotgun also avoids the time it takes to fall 2,000+ feet, which might be frightening. if you feel any pain from a properly-aimed shotgun blast i think it would only last a tiny fraction of a second -- the damage from the blast is so vast and quick. i would trust @2Min2Midnight re ammo; there is some info on aiming here:

Stone mentions that a bullet that that damages the spinal column where it meets the base of the skull (base of the head at the back) tends to be quickly fatal, and this is most likely achieved by aiming slightly down through the mouth, or else simply pointing the gun at the rear base of the head. He speculates that aiming here, with a high energy bullet/shell is the most reliably fatal combination. However, using a shotgun to the temples or through the mouth is likely to be even more effective, using one hand to hold the shotgun in place and the other to pull the trigger.​

i'm sorry you're suffering so much grief. :(

 

[TAW122]

I would go with a tactical shotgun slug. It is more reliable than falling/jumping from a height of 2k+ ft. Also, I don't necessarily have access to such immense heights and would have to travel quite a bit to find a suitable place than just a secluded place to CTB via a shotgun.

 

[Roger]

These bullpup shotguns look aggressive, but what comes out of the muzzle is no more "powerful" than what comes out of a cheapo second hand single barrel gun of the same bore, costing maybe US$50.
In fact, the ounce or so of lead in a 12 bore cartridge issuing forth from a 28 inch barrel has a greater velocity (and thus greater energy, or "power") than if it came from the 18.5 inch barrels these combat shotguns typically have. There is ten more inches of barrel for the load to accelerate al

Why on earth do you think you need a gun with a 15 round magazine capability ? One round will do the job, and even if by some malignant miracle it doesn't, you are unlikely to be in any fit state to rack a slide action gun.

The only worthwhile advantage of bullpups for a self inflicted headshot is that the trigger is much easier to reach than on a conventional gun with, say, 28 inch barrels.

 

[RealLostSoul]

Why does everyone always take Shuaiby's video? For me it's the biggest turn off of suicide. I mean, it's not as graphic as say the 1444 guy but the aftermath reaction from his mother stuns me and gives an upsetting feeling. I wouldn't want to die that way tbh.

 

[voyager]

Gun, more than aNything, but I'd shoot through the mouth, because I'd be a little uncomfortable holding the gun to the side or basically out of my field of view. But I suppose this is something one could, and should, train beforehand, no matter which way one chooses. Btw is that Shanghai tower even an option, surely the roofs there are just inaccessible as anywhere else, no?

 

[Partial-Elf]

Shotgun no doubt.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

It consistently surprises me how few advocate double methods as an insurance policy: bullet with your preferred chemicals, jump and shoot on the way down, or whatever

 

[toomuchgrief]

Thank you so much for your replies and advice, greatly appreciated. Thank you everyone above replies.



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@Roger

And thank you @2Min2Midnight


tbh the reason why I bought the KSG is because that Shuaiby guy suicide, he just point and his head and BAM, it literally blow his brain to pieces. Now if you don't have a head left to begin with, you can't survive. I thought if I use the exact gun as this Shuaiby guy the chance of me success is more. Yeah, I know it a pump action gun.

I know how to use a shotgun now, money isn't a problem, I did hire a private instructor (paid by the hour, cost more, but I want one to one instructor help me) who bring me to an outside shooting range and teach me, I use a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot shells. I use two boxes of shells.
............
Tbh, I did have a bit of a bruise on my shoulder, due to the 12 gauge shotgun from the recoil, and I shot 2 boxes of shells Lol, and first time shooter. I'm fine, it just I'm glad I know how to operate a shotgun now.
However it was a semi auto 12 gauge shotgun though. You know the type that you load and unload, and pull the trigger. You don't have to rack the pump like the KSG one.

But the instructor told me the process of load and unload the shells into a shotgun it the same regardless if it semi auto or pump. It just with pump like KSG you have to do all the work since it not semi automatic. We use buckshot (not slug), he said shells are shells, load a buckshot and load a slut shell it the same 12 gauge shells.

So I don't know what to do now, another private instructor lesson after I get my KSG? So the instructor can teach me how to use a pump action one?

Part of me still think plunge from 2,000 feet let gravity do it work is more reliable, just in case I flinch on the gun you know? But then if you point straight at your head touching your skin, even if you flinch, with a slug, it still blast your head off. You talking about a shotgun, not a handgun. I mean look at hunters shot shotgun slug at distance at deer. But you don't need distance, since you aim at the skin of your head anyways.

But yeah, I don't know what to do next. But for sure I will hire a private instructor to show me how to operate the KSG pump action first once I get it. He did say loading the shells in it the same, just have to rack it, and then shoot. Vs. semi auto, no need rack it, load and just pull the trigger.

 

[AintNoWayOut]

fuck man i wish i had a gun. wish i lived alone so i could actually plan something, i've got five other people around and an overbearing dad. jumping is always an option but... cant think of any places nearby to jump from that'd be high enough to definitely kill me, unless i go out to a city. but that'd be much more of a hassle/risk than just being able to end it right here right now.

to answer your question, the chances of either killing you are so insanely close to 100% that they're essentially the same. it comes down to preference.

 

[toomuchgrief]

well those didn't watch the video, Shuaiby didn't aim at the side of his head (temple), he aim at the front of his skull. And with a KSG, it was powerful enough to BLOW his head into pieces even when he aim at the front. If you watch the video you will see it. It just that how powerful shotgun are. The KSG it shorter, so it was easier to hold and bam at the head.

@AintNoWayOut

I'm from Shanghai, in Shanghai there alot of high buildings, people actually live there in those high stories building, due to it overpopulated but less land space so they have to build many stories building. The thing with skyscraper is I will jump at night. I plan to jump from this height, like the tallest tower in this pic. You can't survive a height like this go straight down below to hard surface.
And this tower is in Shanghai my hometown.

At worst, China is huge and has ALOT of high bridges (the highest bridge in the world is in China), I can just go find a thousands feet bridge and jump down. Neither way, I won't jump unless it hit terminal velocity which is 1,500+ feet. So I plan at least 2,000 feet to be safe.

So a tower this height, or a tactical shotgun to my head?
It weird for some reason my guts tell me that 2,000 feet plunge let gravity do it work is more reliable, just in case I flinch on the shotgun you know. But then if you think about it, point a shotgun right at the skin of your skull like that and blast, even if you flinch, it still will blast your brain off.
People hunt deer from yards away and still can kill the deer from distance, so how can a shotgun aim at your skull that close at your skin and "not" able to blast your skull you know?

 

[Roger]

You live in Shanghai ?
How on earth are you going to acquire any type of firearm ?

 

[theoldestquestion]

fuck man i wish i had a gun. wish i lived alone so i could actually plan something, i've got five other people around and an overbearing dad. jumping is always an option but... cant think of any places nearby to jump from that'd be high enough to definitely kill me, unless i go out to a city. but that'd be much more of a hassle/risk than just being able to end it right here right now.

to answer your question, the chances of either killing you are so insanely close to 100% that they're essentially the same. it comes down to preference.

Same here. Sometimes I dream I have a gun

 

[toomuchgrief]

You live in Shanghai ?
How on earth are you going to acquire any type of firearm ?

I'm from Shanghai, I said it in my OP, Shanghai is my hometown (where I born in). And I did say I have to travel back to my homeland Shanghai if I want to jump.

I'm in the U.S. I been in the U.S for 30 years. Naturalization citizenship after 5 years bring here. So 25 years U.S. citizen already, and perfectly clean criminal records and background. Pass the gun safety test. Had the money to prepay for the gun up front. So they sale me one. And in a state that you can own a gun easy too, Arizona.

I did hire a private instructor to teach me to shot a 12 gauge shotgun use 00 buckshots. I did shot alot of shells, I shoot 2 whole boxes of ammo. End up kindda bruise my shoulder due to the recoil from the 12 gauge when it fire. But it was a 12 gauge semi-auto that I learn.
Now I guess I need to learn the pump one. But the instructor told me that load the shell into the shotgun it the same regardless if it semi auto or pump. Just with a pump you have to rack it first and then pull the trigger. But same when loading, and same regardless of the shells it buckshot or slug.

And you right, China is NO on gun, you can't own gun in China, that is why depress people jump down from high buildings, as China also has the highest records of suicide by 'jumping'.
So if I need the highest bridge or building to jump, I need to travel back to my homeland to die in a place I born in.

But since I'm in U.S (and in Arizona). So it easy for me to buy shotgun, and shot shotgun at outdoor range for practice, I even hire a private instructor to show me one on one on how to operate a shotgun too. Next time I guess I just bring my KSG and learn how to operate a pump action one.

I just wish my damn mind is decide on 2,000 feet plunge or a tactical shotgun, aaaaaa

Thank you again for your advice on the gun @Roger

 

[voyager]

As mentioned before, I'd prefer the shotgun. But you seem torn and have often spoken about jumping. Is there any particular reason why you're so attracted to it? The reason I ask is because shotgun is really as realiable as it gets and has some advantages in general. Although I would've preferred one with an overlapping barrel. This way I could put it in my mouth and even if I were to flinch/slip my cheeks and jaw would hold the barrel somewhat firmly in place. Have some thoughts on jumping, too, but will spare you from my ramblings.

It consistently surprises me how few advocate double methods as an insurance policy: bullet with your preferred chemicals, jump and shoot on the way down, or whatever

It's probably better to shoot oneself first and then fall somewhere. I read only recently that complex suicides make up a mere 1-5% of all. Some feel more methods increase the chance of messing up. Personally it's my preferred way to go. I do have faith in shotguns, but I'm almost more comfortable with a decent handgun and falling into a noose. I can't see anyone surviving that.

Same here. Sometimes I dream I have a gun

I actually do dream of them. I can fight like a martial artist in my dreams, but when I have a gun I can't pull the trigger. It's like my finger is paralysed or the trigger pull is too hard. Probably a metaphor telling me I don't have a gun at my disposal.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

It's probably better to shoot oneself first and then fall somewhere.

My point was that people should double down, and as you highlighted rarely do. Then on top of pre existing problems, they awake in hospital at best from simply losing heart mid-effort, but often ugly or crippled. Fuck that: I've missed the bus three times and it wasn't for want of proper prior preparation.

Some feel more methods increase the chance of messing up.

Some people are incompetent and/or wrong. That, or they're undedicated, meaning they'd benefit from help, which is good.

Personally it's my preferred way to go.

Agreed.

I do have faith in shotguns ...

If your bus stop is in the middle of nowhere, then it's easier to bring a handgun.

... but I'm almost more comfortable with a decent handgun and falling into a noose. I can't see anyone surviving that.

If you're mechanically coordinated to nab the brain stem twice and survive, then the gods want you around for something.

 

[toomuchgrief]

Well I have a bridge in China that I can jump, if I don't die on 1,500 feet straight down impact, then they just going to have to airlift me to the hospital. But by the time they get there and airlift me I be dead from internal bleeding anyways, at 1,500 feet impact going 200 km/hr, that should be enough to yank my heart out. Once the heart stop working the brain will stop working too.
Nothing can help you if you go straight down at that speed, unless there is a hurricane or tornado also at the same speed of 200 km/hr to blow you back up, in order to have effect on gravity. You would need like a Category 5 storm. Realistically you don't get Category 5 storm at a bridge lol.

With a shotgun, I initially thought would be easy for me to pull the trigger until I actually hire a private instructor where he can show me how to shot a shotgun. I was just using a normal 12 gauge long shotgun, with 00 buckshot. I decided I want to practice shoot more so I ask for 2 full boxes of buckshot. It was ALOT of ammo.
Alot enough once I finished fired those 2 boxes of buckshot, the day after my shoulder get sore and a bit of a bruise from the recoil. And I did hold the gun firmly correct like how I was instructed to do.
And the shotgun fire it was DAMN loud, even with headset on my ears.

I was told if the standard 12 gauge shotgun recoil (using buckshot) was alot recoil for me, wait till I try it with the KSG. KSG are tactical shotgun, they shorter, and the shorter barrel when they shell fire out, the recoil jerk back going to be even more. And always, semi-auto shotgun recoil are less than pump action one, due to something has to do with the gas expel out, I don't remember my shotgun lesson lol.

So I picture with no ear protection, using SLUG, with a tactical shotgun like the KSG, point straight to the skin of my head and BAM. Just imagine the recoil and the loudness. It kindda scary.
Therefore if I jump, once I throw myself over it be over, you just fall and let gravity nature do it work.

I guess I have to hire the instruction again to help me practice shooting with the KSG first and then decide. Shotgun it be over fast, but it just more 'scary' than just plunge 2,000 feet to your death and let nature do it works.
But then shotgun only take 1 second to pull the trigger. I think I just need to do more practice with shotgun then I will get use to the loudness and the recoil, lol.

God damn, it like I chose the 2 easiest methods to suicide, but then it just so hard. I thought it be easy with a shotgun until I actually shot with one, a real gun, with real ammo, it was DAMN loud (but then shotgun they loud anyways), and the fucking recoil, and that was just the standard 12 gauge. Now with a tactical one? ugh.

 

[Backwood_tilt]

I have read that you need to aim towards the brain stem or at least try to damage both hemispheres.

In the video that you posted did that person continue to make sound and breathe after the gunshot, or was that other liveleak spectators making sound on the stream?

 

[toomuchgrief]

In that video if you watch, his head blow to pieces, literally blow to pieces. If you don't have a head left, you can't breath or make sound. His head was into pieces splatter everywhere in pieces, I think part of the meat of his head splat on the ceiling too. This is a tactical shotgun. Not a handgun or a riffle lol.

 

[voyager]

I have read that you need to aim towards the brain stem or at least try to damage both hemispheres.

In the video that you posted did that person continue to make sound and breathe after the gunshot, or was that other liveleak spectators making sound on the stream?

Might be, but my hearing isn't so good. I do know that in another similar video (1444) the guy does indeed sigh. This is normal, it's the lungs deflating from what I've heard. Maybe this applies here, as well.

My point was that people should double down, and as you highlighted rarely do. [...]If you're mechanically coordinated to nab the brain stem twice and survive, then the gods want you around for something.

Yeah, I understand, and I think we pretty much agree that with proper preparation it's a reassuring and most reliable way to go. It's just that when I read the sequence it occurred to me that some people might actually do it this way, and if so, those who criticise it might have a point. So, true to the idea itself, the combination and sequence is just as worthy of double thought, as well. As for the latter part, yes, we're paranoid and I can't see it happening either. Of course, I'd love to find meaning at the end of the road, but chances are it'll be rather anticlimatic. The very opposite of what we originally thought our lives would be. So, if given another opportunity I'd just try again if able to. Double down, right?

Well I have a bridge in China that I can jump,[...]

I guess I have to hire the instruction again to help me practice shooting with the KSG first and then decide. Shotgun it be over fast, but it just more 'scary' than just plunge 2,000 feet to your death and let nature do it works.
But then shotgun only take 1 second to pull the trigger. I think I just need to do more practice with shotgun then I will get use to the loudness and the recoil, lol.

God damn, it like I chose the 2 easiest methods to suicide, but then it just so hard. I thought it be easy with a shotgun until I actually shot with one, a real gun, with real ammo, it was DAMN loud (but then shotgun they loud anyways), and the fucking recoil, and that was just the standard 12 gauge. Now with a tactical one? ugh.

From what I've heard there's no need to worry about the recoil at that range. The slug or pellets will have left the barrel before the gun actually moves and it shouldn't make a difference. As for jumping being easy, I don't know, that's probably different for all of us. Jumping isn't top of my list, but I coud see myself overcoming the SI somehow, ...maybe. What I like is that it's irreversible, what I don't is that it might cloud one's last thoughts. Nevertheless, I do have a few jumping fantasies myself. But I do feel that if you're worried about a shotgun blast you'll never hear, you might be uncomfortable looking down one or two thousand feet when you're actually at it. Of course, that's something only you can decide, but keep in mind that if you were to gain access to these spots and hesitate other people might intervene.Think it's normal though to have these thoughts, and it's probably something time will solve for you.

 

[ctbUniquectb]

Yeah, I understand, and I think we pretty much agree that with proper preparation it's a reassuring and most reliable way to go.

Yes.

true to the idea itself, the combination and sequence is just as worthy of double thought

Good point. Hadn't crossed my mind like that. As a variation on the theme, I recent checked my local bridge and it's had at least two jumpers survive recently, and it's not short. So, I'm UPgrading.

Even the Golden Gate, if you cut through the wording, has an advertised ~2% survival rate. I'm not taking the chance of converting to fundamentalist Christianity and becoming some public speaker against impulsive suicide. (Sorry, Kevin Hines has annoyed the piss out of me for a decade by profiteering off my misery.)

So, if given another opportunity I'd just try (life) again if able to. Double down, right?

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[RealLostSoul]

Even the Golden Gate, if you cut through the wording, has an advertised ~2% survival rate. I'm not taking the chance of converting to fundamentalist Christianity and becoming some public speaker against impulsive suicide. (Sorry, Kevin Hines has annoyed the piss out of me for a decade by profiteering off my misery.)

lol so true. +1

 

[ctbUniquectb]

lol so true. +1

Doesn't he have, like, a real job, cute wife and a couple kids?

I mean yeah he was going through a rough patch ... 20 years ago ... But like fuck him and generally people who take a single pill a day and are good. I've put in the work and still feel awful through no fault of my own, but all I hear is that "life is beautiful" crap. blol, sorry, no

Edited: typo, and this anecdote. I knew a woman who was doing fine on meds but was organic. So she quit them, attempted, failed, did a hospital stint and her life was a wreck until she got back on meds. ::rolls eyes::

 

[RealLostSoul]

I mean yeah he was going through a rough patch ... 20 years ago ... But like fuck him and generally people who take a single pill a day and are good. I've put in the work and still feel awful through no fault of my own, but all I hear is that "life is beautiful" crap. blol, sorry, no

medication is not everything. For me, I have tried A LOT of different antidepressants etc. etc. but in the end it was totally useless (some even damaging) for me. So was therapy in general. You can't change fate.

 

[voyager]

~2% survival rate.

Exactly, it's absurd, but some of us must be the 2%. Personally, I don't believe anymore that there's a profound purpose to our suffering or that we are chosen, it's probably more like a lottery. We may be the 98%. But I'm not going to wager the most crucial decision of my life on this assumption.

As for Kevin Hines, if being a motivational speaker is enough to regain one's purpose in life then I'm not surprised he regretted it the second he jumped. Viktor Staudt did the same thing in 1999. Lost both legs to a train. Gave society what they wanted to hear. I do think he was trying to help, but at the end didn't believe it himself. He killed himself last autumn.

 

[Wayfaerer]

I can't recommend gun deaths on the basis of political grounds. Do you want your death to be used by deceptive gun grabbers? I'll be taking a different approach. Why not SN?

 

[ctbUniquectb]

medication is not everything. For me, I have tried A LOT of different antidepressants etc. etc. but in the end it was totally useless (some even damaging) for me. So was therapy in general. You can't change fate.

If it works then it works. Worked for me for a long time but as you say: wasn't a permanent panacea.

Exactly, it's absurd, but some of us must be the 2%.

My point was actually that it's almost definitely much lower than 2% given undocumented jumpers, but also it's well established by autopsy many are alive/aware for a bit after impact. I ain't drowning after doing the dirty to my organs and bones.

As for Kevin Hines, if being a motivational speaker is enough to regain one's purpose in life then I'm not surprised he regretted it the second he jumped.

Motivational speaker, or as a friend calls it, talentless C.H.U.D.

he was unstable, young and impulsive. The ideal "don't catch the bus, things will almost definitely work out for you." I've been waiting for things to improve for years because I'm not an idiot even though I bought my ticket as soon as legal. It's been almost entirely crap since.

Viktor Staudt did the same thing in 1999. Lost both legs to a train. Gave society what they wanted to hear. I do think he was trying to help, but at the end didn't believe it himself. He killed himself last autumn.

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Do you want your death to be used by deceptive gun grabbers?

Don't care, nor do I care about bridge barriers. Good luck making America great.

I'll be taking a different approach.

Cool.

Why not SN?

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