Method Bloodletting as a form of ctb

[Wannadie]

Hi y'all, this may be very far fetched but I was just thinking about this (because I just got a mail that my sn shipping is delayed and now it won't be here until the freaking 26th of December) and I was wondering on other people's opinions. I personally don't have any experience with bloodletting, but I know someone who does it as a form of self-harm. What I understand about it you is that you insert a cannula into a vein (this does require some skill I assume but since quite some people on sh forums seem to do this I don't think it should be too hard) and let the blood flow. I assume everyone has had their blood taken before and it's really not that painful to insert a needle, it would just take some practise to locate the vein well. Once you've lost enough blood you'll pass out, the blood will keep flowing and you'll die. I'm probably over simplifying this so I would love to get your input (:


Here is an example of someone who died this way: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02983383

 

[Smilla]

No.

Whats next, applying leeches?

 

[Wannadie]

No.

Whats next, applying leeches?

If you have 1000 leeches or so ;) but seriously, people attempt to die by cutting their wrists but that fails all the time because most people don't actually cut open both arteries since that's pretty hard to do. So why would this be a worse idea? It seems a lot more succesful to me than slitting your wrists for example and it doesn't hurt at all. I don't think it's ideal, but I'm genuinely curious as to why you think it's such a ridiculous idea?

 

[Smilla]

If you have 1000 leeches or so ;) but seriously, people attempt to die by cutting their wrists but that fails all the time because most people don't actually cut open both arteries since that's pretty hard to do. So why would this be a worse idea? It seems a lot more succesful to me than slitting your wrists for example and it doesn't hurt at all. I don't think it's ideal, but I'm genuinely curious as to why you think it's such a ridiculous idea?

It reminded me of the old SNL medieval medicine skits with Steve Martin. Bloodletting and leeches were popular methods of "treating" all manner of ailments.

This is a painful and slow method. The patient discussed in the article was probably inured to pain since she self harmed with this method for some time before her fatal episode.

 

[Wannadie]

It reminded me of the old SNL medieval medicine skits with Steve Martin. Bloodletting and leeches were popular methods of "treating" all manner of ailments.

This is a painful and slow method. The patient discussed in the article was probably inured to pain since she self harmed with this method for some time before her fatal episode.

Yes it does come from medieval practices, but it's actually still used for the treatment of two diseases. Can't remember which ones but shouldn't be too hard to look up if it interests you :p About the pain; I researched it quite a bit and this is something someone on reddit said about how much it hurts: "This is a method of SH that causes very little pain, almost no marks or damage if done right but has the potential to cause a lot of harm (and of course be fatal). On the one hand I would love to raise awareness about this, but on the other I think it may be best left a secret from the public." https://www.reddit.com/r/selfharm/comments/7slx6d/bloodletting_blood_letting_sigh/ (in the reactions) so I don't think it's that painful actually. I am a blood donor where they take 0,5 L of blood and that doesn't hurt at all either

 

[MAIO]

Hi y'all, this may be very far fetched but I was just thinking about this (because I just got a mail that my sn shipping is delayed and now it won't be here until the freaking 26th of December) and I was wondering on other people's opinions. I personally don't have any experience with bloodletting, but I know someone who does it as a form of self-harm. What I understand about it you is that you insert a cannula into a vein (this does require some skill I assume but since quite some people on sh forums seem to do this I don't think it should be too hard) and let the blood flow. I assume everyone has had their blood taken before and it's really not that painful to insert a needle, it would just take some practise to locate the vein well. Once you've lost enough blood you'll pass out, the blood will keep flowing and you'll die. I'm probably over simplifying this so I would love to get your input (:


Here is an example of someone who died this way: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02983383

What's going to stop your blood from clotting?

 

[Smilla]

Yes it does come from medieval practices, but it's actually still used for the treatment of two diseases. Can't remember which ones but shouldn't be too hard to look up if it interests you :p About the pain; I researched it quite a bit and this is something someone on reddit said about how much it hurts: "This is a method of SH that causes very little pain, almost no marks or damage if done right but has the potential to cause a lot of harm (and of course be fatal). On the one hand I would love to raise awareness about this, but on the other I think it may be best left a secret from the public." https://www.reddit.com/r/selfharm/comments/7slx6d/bloodletting_blood_letting_sigh/ (in the reactions) so I don't think it's that painful actually. I am a blood donor where they take 0,5 L of blood and that doesn't hurt at all either

Why would this be used as a method of SH if it didn't cause pain?

Forgive my ignorance about SH and I have total respect for those that do but I thought causing yourself physical pain was an attempt to quell emotion pain?

 

[Wannadie]

Why would this be used as a method of SH if it didn't cause pain?

Forgive my ignorance about SH and I have total respect for those that do but I thought causing yourself physical pain was an attempt to quell emotion pain?

Some people are mainly fascinated by the blood, for other people it can be a way to harm their body from the inside out. It's not necessarily about the pain in that cast but more about self-destruction I guess. But I've never done it so this is just what I assume, since I self-harm in ways like cutting/burning/bruising but also in methods like depriving yourself of sleep or dehydrating yourself. Hope it makes sense (:

 

[Wannadie]

What's going to stop your blood from clotting?

I'm no medical professional but I think it won't clot as long as the cannula (or whatever you use) is in their because the hole stays open that way. Not sure though, I just know that there are people who blood let huge amounts so it has to be possible

 

[YellowJasmine]

As @MAIO points out, this is the crucial point. I also had the question in mind not long ago, and there Quora answered me in a detailed manner: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people...ust-inserting-a-needle-to-drain-all-the-blood

 

[Wannadie]

As @MAIO points out, this is the crucial point. I also had the question in mind not long ago, and there Quora answered me in a detailed manner: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people...ust-inserting-a-needle-to-drain-all-the-blood

Thank you for this answer! Helps a lot

 

[Shewaitsforme]

You would more than likely need asprin to thin the blood or warfarin, basically to stop the blood clotting which it will start to do as soon as the needle disturbs the blood vessle. Unless there is someting going in cannulas often become blocked and either need flushing or replacing due to blood clots. So yes it is possible to due like this its more than likely going to take a rather large needle, multiple needles or a way to stop the blood clotting before death can occur.

 

[silentinbetween]

If this is anything like blood donation, I can attest from my personal experience that I passed out after only losing 300 ml of blood but it hurt like hell. I was actually thinking of using blood loss as a way to cbd after that, because the pain wasn't like, insanity inducing bad.

 

[TAW122]

Yeah I've entertained this idea before, but I don't believe it is reliable due to blood clotting, the body's survival instinct kicking in, and also it would have to be a lot of blood before one dies from septic shock or what not. Chances are one will likely pass out or be too physically weak to continue to change needles and what not. The human body is so resilient when it comes to averting death. Also, pain is something that I don't react well to hence my method would be something painless and instantaneous.

 

[eve2004]

If this is anything like blood donation, I can attest from my personal experience that I passed out after only losing 300 ml of blood but it hurt like hell. I was actually thinking of using blood loss as a way to cbd after that, because the pain wasn't like, insanity inducing bad.

I know this was a while ago but can you tell me more about this? How did it hurt? How much do they aim to take in total (ml)? If I can ask, how much do you weigh? Over or under 130 pounds?

I'm going to try donating blood this week. I tried once before but they turned me away because I am not 110lbs (minimum weight requirement). This time I'll lie. I want to see how resilient my body is so I can factor that in the CTB when I do it.

I can handle more thc than people twice my weight so I'm pretty sure I won't feel a thing.

Also, I wonder if donating blood a day before or the day of CBT would have an influence on the amount of drugs needed or the effectiveness of the method (assuming it's the chemical route)??? Has anyone researched this? It could be that its the opposite since there's less blood for the drugs to hang out in....