better to die as soon as possible?

[ExistHarm]

promortalism says its better to die sooner rather than later, to spare the harm of future suffering, and because you have more to lose as you age (experiences, relationships, skills, etc.) do you think its better to die as soon as you can spare to?

 

[Forever Sleep]

For the individual- maybe. I guess some people go on to 'recover' and be grateful for life. For others though- it just gets worse.

In terms of not wanting to accumulate things to miss when you go- that's an interesting idea. I guess that's partly why some people end up fearing death. I suppose it depends on belief though- when we all finally do die- is there any capacity to miss life? Still- I suppose the argument is that the good- or, better things in life still aren't good because we have the potential/guarantee to lose everything eventually? That's still going to depend on individual perception I suppose. Some people still seem to think living is worth it.

For the people around them- I'm not so sure. It depends on the individual's circumstances I suppose. Was it obvious that they had an illness that would only make their lives more unbearable? I guess- in certain circumstances, death is a release for everyone. Overall though, I'd say the younger someone dies- the more tragic it seems to those left behind. Sadly- to some extent- we don't live in a bubble. The death of a child I imagine would have quite a profound effect on a family. For the individual- perhaps it was actually their best option- maybe their life would have just got worse and worse. For those left behind- I doubt many people rejoice when a loved one dies.

 

[FuneralCry]

I certainly view it as always being preferable to cease existing no matter what, but I really view it as being for the best to never exist at all. The existence of life is a cruel mistake, it's a punishment being given the ability to exist here in this world as with existence comes unlimited potential to be harmed and to feel pain, and I would see it as being better to avoid this. There really is nothing to be gained by this futile process that we were so unfairly forced to endure, as all that is inevitable for us as humans is suffering, loss and decay.

And in this world there is no real relief from suffering, as we are trapped inside this flesh prison with limited control over our existences. We are slaves to our needs and desires, and an unmet need just leads to us suffering more. I consider existence to be so prison like, it's completely unappealing so of course I prefer non existence as life itself is the true problem. There are just no disadvantages to not existing and anyway we are all destined to cease existing anyway, so I could never see a benefit to risking unnecessary torture just to eventually die. But it's true that the older one gets the more problems there are and the more years spent here the more suffering, so I really wish that I returned to nonexistence at a younger age.

 

[EfiLoneVolon]

I disagree completly with this way of thinking. There are 70 years old people who are very happy, way more than i have ever been. Its like some capitalistic view on life when everything is supposely better when you are young, beautiful,...
Problem is not life itself.Its when life is just pain.When physcological, physical struggle prevent happiness.Aging has his challenge but in the end, you can be old and have a meaningful and very happy life. I think suffering is a mindgame some manage to live thru it other are just destroy by it.

 

[ExistHarm]

I disagree completly with this way of thinking. There are 70 years old people who are very happy, way more than i have ever been. Its like some capitalistic view on life when everything is supposely better when you are young, beautiful,...
Problem is not life itself.Its when life is just pain.When physcological, physical struggle prevent happiness.Aging has his challenge but in the end, you can be old and have a meaningful and very happy life. I think suffering is a mindgame some manage to live thru it other are just destroy by it.

life is objectively better when you are young for most; less chance of deadly diseases for one. but thats not what im saying in the post; for example when afformentioned 70 year old dies, she might suffer more knowing she is leaving behind so much.

what is the threshold of pain where it becomes unacceptable? every life has pain, seems to me the problem is life itself. saying suffering is just a mindgame is honestly almost offensive

 

[bigdog]

I mean if you are having a lot of fun with life you won't be on this forum definitely. So

 

[EfiLoneVolon]

life is objectively better when you are young for most; less chance of deadly diseases for one. but thats not what im saying in the post; for example when afformentioned 70 year old dies, she might suffer more knowing she is leaving behind so much.

what is the threshold of pain where it becomes unacceptable? every life has pain, seems to me the problem is life itself. saying suffering is just a mindgame is honestly almost offensive

Maybe I didnt express myself clearly.
Life come with suffering, everybody has challenge.That dont mean that is bad at least until it became only suffering.
Matter of fact, I think there is nobility in fighting, challenge make you grow.
Only happy days would make life very boring.
I want to cry and smile, Im not a robot.
I want to experiment every emotion that life has to offer even bad one.
Its when the balance is fuck up that it become a problem.
I disagree with you about age, happiness has nothing to do with it in my opinion.
With age come disease, physical pain, regret but also experience,wisdom,memory,other form of love.
Problem is not life its my head not working correctly making me see everything in dark killing any type of hope.
I still think that if life become just pain(psychological or physical)which is a reality for some, in modern society a honorable exit should exist.

 

[Majestatea Masiva]

It's only the bs other people fed me that made em believe there is eternal punishment and nothing good to come out of dying early. To me it was always intuitive since I was 5 that death is better than life, and we should accelerate it as best as we can. I wish I never doubted myself and weren't so easily influenced as a kid.

 

[ExistHarm]

It's only the bs other people fed me that made em believe there is eternal punishment and nothing good to come out of dying early. To me it was always intuitive since I was 5 that death is better than life, and we should accelerate it as best as we can. I wish I never doubted myself and weren't so easily influenced as a kid.

same exact sentiment

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

I think it's usually better to commit suicide sooner rather than later to avoid taking on responsibilities that could make your departure a lot more complicated and potentially cause more damage to your close environment , like having a partner and kids that will be distraught after your suicide. It's kinda like a win-win situation. It's beneficial for the suicidal person to leave early and avoid further suffering and to also cause the least damage possible to the people they leave behind.

But obviously no-one can predict the future and people who committed suicide after starting families didn't know it was going to happen... sometimes people who weren't suicidal (or recovered) want to CTB only after they take on responsibilities.

 

[aniara]

It's such a gamble. Life feels like it just keeps getting worse but then you have a smidge of false hope that arises and you decide things will be different this time. You're glad you didn't CTB. Then soon enough it comes crashing down again and you think you would have been better off if you did it before. But oh wait what's that, an even smaller piece of false hope returns! Better hold on, this time it will REALLY be better I'm sure!
Rinse and repeat forever. It's like an addiction. "Tomorrow will be different. Tomorrow will be different."

 

[bigdog]

It's such a gamble. Life feels like it just keeps getting worse but then you have a smidge of false hope that arises and you decide things will be different this time. You're glad you didn't CTB. Then soon enough it comes crashing down again and you think you would have been better off if you did it before. But oh wait what's that, an even smaller piece of false hope returns! Better hold on, this time it will REALLY be better I'm sure!
Rinse and repeat forever. It's like an addiction. "Tomorrow will be different. Tomorrow will be different."

Actually there is something to what you write

 

[CentreMid]

Absolutely better to die sooner than later. I know it's a bit hypocritical for me to say given how long I've been here, but had I known what I now know about suicide, methods and planning years ago, I could've spared myself the grief that's come with the past 5 years and just gone. My days are numbered now and I couldn't be more relieved.