I'm wondering other people's beliefs here about what happens or where you go after you die. I've met many people who've "crossed over" momentarily from illnesses, falling off a building etc., and I'm on youtube constantly watching every NDE (near death experience) story I can find besides. I feel confident in my beliefs but respect other's points of view. I personally believe in "forever", that we are and were always conscious, no beginning or end, that there are different realms when we pass, depending on our state of mind when we leave. For me, I feel it's important to find peace within myself about myself before I pass. Also, I would to know what has made one choose to want to leave, if you would like to express that? I have a mental disorder called depersonalization/dissociative disorder, which is where I feel unreal, not in my body, and have had this all my adult life (from childhood physical and mental abuse), but as of late, now have 2 serious illnesses and I have mild chronic pain, cannot work, and I'm financially drained. Bottom line, it will be the physical pain/physical disability that will finally bring me to choose by my own volition. I'm here to be friends with anyone here, this is obviously a special kind of group and they're are amazing, caring loving people here I've already interacted with, and if I do say so myself, so am I, but no matter, I'm here to talk if anyone needs that.
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theguineapigking
Useless piece of trash
- Dec 5, 2019
- 593
Hey. I get you dude. I have chronic issues. I have mitochondrial disease which causes fatigue,dizziness,migraines,brain fog,etc. Now I don't know how much is due to the fatigue and brain fog,but I have derealization and depersonalization as well. Perhaps not as bad as you,or maybe the same.
I feel like reality is fake. I don't know if you feel this way too exactly. I always fear I'm the only true conscious being in a simulation of some sort. Since there's no way to "feel" someone else's life force,there's no real way to know that their consciousness is real.
Even setting that aside,reality feels distorted. Kind of like a fairly vivid dream. I used to sometimes think I was in a dream and not reality. I only thought I was probably in this reality(when I was having an "episode") because reality didn't stop and I didn't suddenly wake up. And things were consistent rather than inconsistent such as being inside the house and then suddenly being across the yard. But even now,reality feels fuzzy. Looking in the mirror can sometimes be terrifying since my body doesn't feel like me. It feels like a vehicle I'm inside of.
As for NDEs,I've also researched so much on those and also Astral projecting. But the thing is,I've also read that your brain can be hyperactive with neurons firing very rapidly all the while someone has a very vivid experience that felt "more real" than life here. This makes it look like it's your Brain processing faster and this increase awareness in your dream surroundings. Or it could be a by-product of a real nde,since some people believe your body has a silver tether for an astral body,and if your astral body is having a vivid OBE,it could cause your brain to work differently due to communication between them. It gets very complex....I can say the weird ones involve seeing things in a different location while your Brain shows no activity. However this could be due to quantum crap that scientists can't detect. Maybe telepathy and the brain can't be detected with machines. Or maybe it is actually spiritual. Maybe even dreams are spiritual and the brain eeg is just a byproduct.
All in all,the fact is,we don't know for sure if the experiences people have are spiritual or just physical. That's the scary thing. Reality is unsure. You don't have enough awareness to know if something is real or not sometimes. I guess you just have to hope there's an afterlife if you want to live on.
Just remember some people lie about experiences,some maybe hallucinate or are a bit nuts in the head. Some people may dream or have a lucid dream(seems very similar to OBE),but it's just not the same thing exactly. But who knows,maybe lucid dreams are OBE in a spiritual dimension. But OBEs would be in the physical dimen
I personally have a gut feeling there is something after death. But that is just a natural instinct I feel. It's not based on knowledge or experience.
By the way,the logic you have of your state of awareness when you pass over is very impressive. I've read about this before and it makes total sense if there is an afterlife of some sort. If you get shot by a bullet in the back of the head when you don't expect it,you may take longer to become aware you died and still exist..compared to if you are fully prepared to die and slip into the next life. It's more likely your consciousness "wakes up" faster to the fact you're dead. This is very logical to me.
Sorry this post is kind of all over the place. I just tried to give as much info as I could.
Im curious ,how bad is your derealization?
I feel like reality is fake. I don't know if you feel this way too exactly. I always fear I'm the only true conscious being in a simulation of some sort. Since there's no way to "feel" someone else's life force,there's no real way to know that their consciousness is real.
Even setting that aside,reality feels distorted. Kind of like a fairly vivid dream. I used to sometimes think I was in a dream and not reality. I only thought I was probably in this reality(when I was having an "episode") because reality didn't stop and I didn't suddenly wake up. And things were consistent rather than inconsistent such as being inside the house and then suddenly being across the yard. But even now,reality feels fuzzy. Looking in the mirror can sometimes be terrifying since my body doesn't feel like me. It feels like a vehicle I'm inside of.
As for NDEs,I've also researched so much on those and also Astral projecting. But the thing is,I've also read that your brain can be hyperactive with neurons firing very rapidly all the while someone has a very vivid experience that felt "more real" than life here. This makes it look like it's your Brain processing faster and this increase awareness in your dream surroundings. Or it could be a by-product of a real nde,since some people believe your body has a silver tether for an astral body,and if your astral body is having a vivid OBE,it could cause your brain to work differently due to communication between them. It gets very complex....I can say the weird ones involve seeing things in a different location while your Brain shows no activity. However this could be due to quantum crap that scientists can't detect. Maybe telepathy and the brain can't be detected with machines. Or maybe it is actually spiritual. Maybe even dreams are spiritual and the brain eeg is just a byproduct.
All in all,the fact is,we don't know for sure if the experiences people have are spiritual or just physical. That's the scary thing. Reality is unsure. You don't have enough awareness to know if something is real or not sometimes. I guess you just have to hope there's an afterlife if you want to live on.
Just remember some people lie about experiences,some maybe hallucinate or are a bit nuts in the head. Some people may dream or have a lucid dream(seems very similar to OBE),but it's just not the same thing exactly. But who knows,maybe lucid dreams are OBE in a spiritual dimension. But OBEs would be in the physical dimen
I personally have a gut feeling there is something after death. But that is just a natural instinct I feel. It's not based on knowledge or experience.
By the way,the logic you have of your state of awareness when you pass over is very impressive. I've read about this before and it makes total sense if there is an afterlife of some sort. If you get shot by a bullet in the back of the head when you don't expect it,you may take longer to become aware you died and still exist..compared to if you are fully prepared to die and slip into the next life. It's more likely your consciousness "wakes up" faster to the fact you're dead. This is very logical to me.
Sorry this post is kind of all over the place. I just tried to give as much info as I could.
Im curious ,how bad is your derealization?
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I'm quite sure it's real by how I've met certain people and when being told, what was happening. Kind of magical how they came about...but yes, a lot are lying. Well, my dp/dr is quite bad, pretty steady for 35 years straight. But one of the things that people say when leaving their body, is THAT was the reality and this was fake, so I do relate to what you say, and wonder what is the spiritual element to Dp/Dr....because I think there is.
theguineapigking
Useless piece of trash
- Dec 5, 2019
- 593
Yeah. I've heard that too. The awareness here is much lower than in the afterlife. Your physical body and senses are very dull in comparison to a much more powerful,and even perhaps pure energy vessel in the afterlife. I've also heard it's more peaceful and you don't exactly feel physical pain but maybe just emotional.
Do you think dreams are spiritual? Like your consciousness slips away to a different reality of low awareness until you wake up? Maybe your body just doesn't remember what happens most of the time?
Do you think dreams are spiritual? Like your consciousness slips away to a different reality of low awareness until you wake up? Maybe your body just doesn't remember what happens most of the time?
chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
Yeah I get the chronic pain thing too, it is bad, that's why I'm here.
I used to think consciousness came just from the brain, and when you died there was nothing, which is one perspective. Popular now in Western countries where Christianity is understandably getting less and less popular, and people have become very anti any kind of religion or after-life and cynical. I am keen on science, but it doesn't cover everything, like Buddhism is essentially a scientific explanation of our mind, our desires, and suffering, so I consider science very incomplete and don't rely on that for all my beliefs.
After listening/ reading about some people talk about past lives, the work of Ian stevenson, people's near death experiences, and my own experiences, I actually changed my mind and do believe in the after-life and future lives. I have not looked greatly into it, like some kind of researcher, because a lot of this evidence is subjective and the theory can't be established as absolute truth, but it does give your life and actions some sense of greater purpose and meaning in the wider universe. It also ties in with meditation which is something I have delved into over the years.
Not sure on the details of the after life at all, like where it ends and if there is a restaurant there, and what exactly happens after you go beyond this material world, so I really couldn't say about that.
I used to think consciousness came just from the brain, and when you died there was nothing, which is one perspective. Popular now in Western countries where Christianity is understandably getting less and less popular, and people have become very anti any kind of religion or after-life and cynical. I am keen on science, but it doesn't cover everything, like Buddhism is essentially a scientific explanation of our mind, our desires, and suffering, so I consider science very incomplete and don't rely on that for all my beliefs.
After listening/ reading about some people talk about past lives, the work of Ian stevenson, people's near death experiences, and my own experiences, I actually changed my mind and do believe in the after-life and future lives. I have not looked greatly into it, like some kind of researcher, because a lot of this evidence is subjective and the theory can't be established as absolute truth, but it does give your life and actions some sense of greater purpose and meaning in the wider universe. It also ties in with meditation which is something I have delved into over the years.
Not sure on the details of the after life at all, like where it ends and if there is a restaurant there, and what exactly happens after you go beyond this material world, so I really couldn't say about that.
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Yes, I do believe we slip out when we sleep sometimes. I think most dreams are mumbo jumbo but some of them are in a sense "real" and happening with others.
Some people's NDE's are so amazing and so graphic and I've met so many, I've really no doubt. I wouldn't say I'm completely Christian but it seems Jesus is an important spirit in the other realm, he shows up in NDE's with people who aren't even Christian. But I relate to Buddhism too. Haven't read Ian Stevenson, or can't remember, I'll have to look him up.
If you get inspired to watch an videos on youtube about people's NDE's, I'd suggest Nancy Rynes and Tricia Barker. Rynes got hit by an SUV, broke dozens of bones, describes being split/binary...in her body and another self (the higher self?) watching the accident. This is kind of how I feel about it. There is the soul, who watches everything and never left "heaven" and our little selves, the part of us identifying with this world, in this body. I think we are here to learn from multiple kinds of experiences. I can deal with a lot, but pain is not very easy for me. Are you in a lot of pain or are you considering this further on down the line? I have neurological issues from cervical stenosis, which affects strength and everywhere in the body. I'm not in a lot of pain yet, but it is progressive and medical care with my insurance and my finances, unless I can manifest a miracle, it's only gonna get worse, as it slowly has.
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chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
Sorry to hear you have this disease and you have found your way here.
Yeah lot of pain now for 5 years, tried so many approaches to get it better and it has got worse, it is nerve pain which has gone into muscles as well just for an extra level of fun. I could put up with how it was before for the first years, but it has got to the point where it's basically completely undermined my quality of life. So I came here and found a lot of screwed up people like me. Think I'm going to have to CTB. I have quite a bit of respect for Christianity, which seems to be your thing? I do think there is an awareness that continues after death, not sure about the details of that, but that is what I think.
Yeah lot of pain now for 5 years, tried so many approaches to get it better and it has got worse, it is nerve pain which has gone into muscles as well just for an extra level of fun. I could put up with how it was before for the first years, but it has got to the point where it's basically completely undermined my quality of life. So I came here and found a lot of screwed up people like me. Think I'm going to have to CTB. I have quite a bit of respect for Christianity, which seems to be your thing? I do think there is an awareness that continues after death, not sure about the details of that, but that is what I think.
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Sorry, Chris, it's a horrible thing to have to face, when it gets to be unmanageable. Chris, I'm relatively new here, could you tell me what CTB means, as I've seen it written before. Well, mine is neurological too, so I relate, and it's awful. I'm here to talk, be a friend, whenever you need.
chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
I watched some NDE videos and some people said that their soul got off the body and started to float and see the room and their bodies.
Yes, over and over I've watched the same..and met quite a few too actually. I've no doubt at this point because of how I've met certain people. But the ability to say what was happening in the room, or even somewhere else, leaves me no doubt. And it's the conviction that the stories are told. Look up Nancy Rynes videos if you like the subject, she's a very clearheaded former athiest, she's the most convincing for sure, but many others are too. Eh, I gather this is just a school...
chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
Yeah I can believe that. Being separated from the body and floating around sounds good to me.
From what I gather...and it should be obvious to anyone rational, there is no permanent hell. But many do experience a dark realm, I would like to avoid that. It is a reflection of one's deep inner state or emotion, I've no doubt. This is why it's very important to me, to somehow transcend any deep fears or anger (which I have a lot of regretfully). I'm looking to do ayahuasca or Iboga soon, to process more. A spontaneous healing would be nice, but not counting on it. Have you heard of either of these psychedelic plants?
chris8000
Experienced
- Dec 10, 2019
- 231
Yeah I did enough psychedelics when I was younger. Over time and used too often they did some damage that I had to learn to live with. I know ayahuasca is not quite the same, but it still is psychedelic like other drugs.
I know people who have done ayahuasca though, it sounds useful and healing for a number of conditions, which is cool.
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Personally I hope it's kind of a opt out system. Those who want an after life will get it or another conscience or another realm and those that just want eternal nothingness can choose that. I know this sounds silly but I'm high so my mind is wandering. Me personally I just want eternal nothingness, no soul no after life.
As for question about what has made me choose to want to leave: severe abuse/trauma, mental issues (bpd, ptsd, depression, anxiety Asperger's) and physical issues (chronic back pain, fibromyalgia, tinnitus, severe insomnia).
As for question about what has made me choose to want to leave: severe abuse/trauma, mental issues (bpd, ptsd, depression, anxiety Asperger's) and physical issues (chronic back pain, fibromyalgia, tinnitus, severe insomnia).
I have a feeling, whatever we choose, there can be no mistakes, everything tries to correct itself eventually, I think the ultimate is to let go. I had a terrible trip on acid once when I have 15 and it wasn't until my sense of "me" died that I let go into this bright light and dissolved and then the next morning I thought it was all a bad dream, but I was indeed tripping for what seemed like eternity, it frightens me about the afterlife but that peace once I let go into that light was like something I've never experienced before and I feel that is what I'm longing to get back to, I know the bad trip was just my own emotional state being reflected back to me, once you welcome the terror and fall into it and embrace it, there is nothing to fear. As long as you run away from the fear, it heightens, It's strange, the universe is very strange, I think we just merge back into source was we let go and that's where the peace/live/bliss is. My existence in this life is no longer enjoyable and I feel I have nothing left to offer, so I am exiting the game to go back to that source until I don't know, it was the closest to death I've ever been and makes me less fearful. Apart of me feels I have purposely self-sabotaged to bring myself to suicide because I have been searching for that peace.
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Passersby
Trapped in space and time
- Aug 29, 2019
- 1,644
Hi Barty 1013, I can relate to your issues. I was in an accident and had some separate injuries that ruined my life and led me here. Way too much shit and complicated to even be able to express. Basically my body is badly damaged and is unfixable. I have a meaningless sedentary life of suffering. Always fighting my body and no peace. Major physical problems that creat mental suffering etc etc. Add more yrs and time in this and it just creates more intolerable endless suffering. Spanning time with this makes my mental and physical state continue to deteriorate. Sucks. So yes I can relate and also have to ctb.
As for an afterlife nobody knows. I too have read about these nde's and watched those videos. They are interesting. The ones where people talk about how God showed them heaven and hell are especially terrifying. Assuming that they are true. Suicide is a gamble. We don't know what we are going to get. All we know is the intolerable suffering that we have now. We know this is real because we live it every day. Once the quality of life and suffering gets so bad with no way out that is when we decide to take the gamble and ctb even though we don't know what awaits us if anything. Now that is suffering. Millions of people throughout time have taken this gamble nit knowing. If we could only call them and ask ( Hey are you happy with the results )? Then we would know. It would be nice. I hope you can find a way out of your problem. Sorry for spelling issues it is hard for me to physically type this now on this thing.
As for an afterlife nobody knows. I too have read about these nde's and watched those videos. They are interesting. The ones where people talk about how God showed them heaven and hell are especially terrifying. Assuming that they are true. Suicide is a gamble. We don't know what we are going to get. All we know is the intolerable suffering that we have now. We know this is real because we live it every day. Once the quality of life and suffering gets so bad with no way out that is when we decide to take the gamble and ctb even though we don't know what awaits us if anything. Now that is suffering. Millions of people throughout time have taken this gamble nit knowing. If we could only call them and ask ( Hey are you happy with the results )? Then we would know. It would be nice. I hope you can find a way out of your problem. Sorry for spelling issues it is hard for me to physically type this now on this thing.
Morbid Cam
Member
- Oct 28, 2018
- 51
I'm just really hoping that wherever we go is a hell of a lot better than this place we call Earth. This is honestly hell
ish
Experienced
- Jul 20, 2019
- 268
Regarding what awaits everyone after death -
The key to understanding is AWARENESS and its
defined.
Awareness can best be defined as
relationship between the senses - the brain and mind.
After death, when all life processes disappear,
the senses do not receive stimuli from the environment,
the brain does not process them, the mind goes out as it goes out
brain activity. In the material body they begin
decomposition processes.
The key to understanding is AWARENESS and its
defined.
Awareness can best be defined as
relationship between the senses - the brain and mind.
After death, when all life processes disappear,
the senses do not receive stimuli from the environment,
the brain does not process them, the mind goes out as it goes out
brain activity. In the material body they begin
decomposition processes.
FTL.Wanderer
Enlightened
- May 31, 2018
- 1,782
Hi, don't know if you're still around, but I'd like to chat (listen!) about many of the ideas you presented. I especially like your idea of making peace with yourself before exiting. I don't believe in anything after death (other than the decay of our body and recycling of our matter). But I'm also open to other opinions. And if thinking about my end makes it easier to take that step, then I'm all for it. Please hit me up if you're still on this site and are open to chatting.
I hope after I die that I get to a better place. That being a reincarnation where I can feel good and have hobbies and have a full life instead of this hell, or it may be eternal space travel, seeing other worlds. I would definitely like to see my grandmother again.
I just hope what comes after is a lot better then this!
I just hope what comes after is a lot better then this!
It seems like something could happen after you ctb to me. I was raised atheist and tought the belief of reincarnation. That is what I hope there is. It seems like being apart of such a diverse world and huge universe that there should at least be something or some sort of afterlife.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 43,300
I think there is nothing after this. Just like before we were born, where time passed and yet we were not aware of anything. We lose consciousness when we die and that is it for us. All I want is to be nothing, to never experience anything ever again.
I seriously just want to die right now. My OCD is fucking killing me. I hate being in this body.
I truly hope that what comes after is a lot better then this. If it is nothingness and I get eternal rest, so be it. Just as long as it's better then this
I truly hope that what comes after is a lot better then this. If it is nothingness and I get eternal rest, so be it. Just as long as it's better then this
Ch92921
The call of the void
- Dec 29, 2018
- 909
Christians says we go to paradise! I am asking myself: What do I the entire day in paradise? Just lying around? No stress no problems? No work?
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I want to believe that the afterlife is what Gandalf described in Lord of the Rings. I know it's silly, but I want to believe it's a peaceful place removed from the strife and worries of this world.
"Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path. One that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass... then you see it! Pippin: What? Gandalf? Sees what? Gandalf: White shores... and beyond. A far green country, under a swift sunrise."
"Gandalf: End? No, the journey doesn't end here. Death is just another path. One that we all must take. The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all turns to silver glass... then you see it! Pippin: What? Gandalf? Sees what? Gandalf: White shores... and beyond. A far green country, under a swift sunrise."
I'm hoping there isn't "nothing". I hope it can be whatever you want it to be but idk. My first attempt yesterday really freaked me out
I used SN ingested 5G SN and then was about to ingest more when I panicked and was about to go to hospital instead I didn't and I'm dealing with severe headache today
Ch92921
The call of the void
- Dec 29, 2018
- 909
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