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CantGoOn

CantGoOn

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Jun 7, 2018
73
I really don't know what to decide on.
I've only recently heard about sodium nitrite, it looks like lethal dose is 15grams, why not take more of it? Is death usually half an hour?
 
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chronicpainnomore

chronicpainnomore

Not Circling the Drain Anymore
May 31, 2018
310
Sonnenblume posted this update from PPeH before she CTB this week (using SN I understand):

PPeH Update on Sodium Nitrite:

Here are the main things.
1. The dosage has been upped to 15g in 50-100ml water
2. All talk of baking soda or phytic acid as potentiates have been removed
3. Now it is recommended to take 800mg of Tagamet (cimetidine) 30 min before taking SN, this reduces the production rate of gastric acid.
4. Anti-emetic 30 minutes before is still recommended

Here are the results of the monitored death study they did. The person took 15g in 100ml of water
1. At 3 min drowsy
2. At 5 min very drowsy but responsive
3. At 12 min unconscious
4. At 15 min deep sleep/unrousable
5. At 25 minutes steady increasing cyanosis, shallow breathing
6. Death at 35 minutes
 
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CantGoOn

CantGoOn

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Jun 7, 2018
73
Sonnenblume posted this update from PPeH before she CTB this week (using SN I understand):

PPeH Update on Sodium Nitrite:

Here are the main things.
1. The dosage has been upped to 15g in 50-100ml water
2. All talk of baking soda or phytic acid as potentiates have been removed
3. Now it is recommended to take 800mg of Tagamet (cimetidine) 30 min before taking SN, this reduces the production rate of gastric acid.
4. Anti-emetic 30 minutes before is still recommended

Here are the results of the monitored death study they did. The person took 15g in 100ml of water
1. At 3 min drowsy
2. At 5 min very drowsy but responsive
3. At 12 min unconscious
4. At 15 min deep sleep/unrousable
5. At 25 minutes steady increasing cyanosis, shallow breathing
6. Death at 35 minutes

Thank you for better insight.
 
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Strumgewehr

Experienced
Jun 7, 2018
271
SN sure wins in performance/price value department.
 
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RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

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Jun 12, 2018
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Just one quick question because I didnt want to open a new thread and I've been confused by reading the threads. Which method is more peaceful?
 
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Strumgewehr

Experienced
Jun 7, 2018
271
Just one quick question because I didnt want to open a new thread and I've been confused by reading the threads. Which method is more peaceful?

N for sure. SN is not far off though.
 
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Life sucks

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Apr 18, 2018
2,136
Is there any easier to get alternatives?
 
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Azure

Azure

Little Chemist
Jun 13, 2018
133
Is there any easier to get alternatives?
You can easily get enough SN off amazon for cheap. Hardest thing about this method is obtaining the antiemetics.
 
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CantGoOn

CantGoOn

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Jun 7, 2018
73
SN sure wins in performance/price value department.
You can easily get enough SN off amazon for cheap. Hardest thing about this method is obtaining the antiemetics.

Yeah, It does seem like a type of medication a doctor would have no problem with prescribing.
 
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Azure

Little Chemist
Jun 13, 2018
133
Yeah, It does seem like a type of medication a doctor would have no problem with prescribing.
I'm not sure if just going to the doctor saying you have horrible nausea is enough to get you an antiemetic strong enough for SN's supposedly horrid taste. Was about to make a post about this just in case there's someone here who knows, but Im a bit hesitant...
 
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Tintagel

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Jun 17, 2018
10
Sonnenblume posted this update from PPeH before she CTB this week (using SN I understand):

PPeH Update on Sodium Nitrite:

Here are the main things.
1. The dosage has been upped to 15g in 50-100ml water
2. All talk of baking soda or phytic acid as potentiates have been removed
3. Now it is recommended to take 800mg of Tagamet (cimetidine) 30 min before taking SN, this reduces the production rate of gastric acid.
4. Anti-emetic 30 minutes before is still recommended

Here are the results of the monitored death study they did. The person took 15g in 100ml of water
1. At 3 min drowsy
2. At 5 min very drowsy but responsive
3. At 12 min unconscious
4. At 15 min deep sleep/unrousable
5. At 25 minutes steady increasing cyanosis, shallow breathing
6. Death at 35 minutes
 
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Tintagel

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Jun 17, 2018
10
any ideas on obtaining Tagamet pls?
 
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chronicpainnomore

chronicpainnomore

Not Circling the Drain Anymore
May 31, 2018
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Tintagel

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Jun 17, 2018
10
Thx. Not so easy in UK. Any known substitutes like Zantac or even Gaviscon?
 
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chronicpainnomore

chronicpainnomore

Not Circling the Drain Anymore
May 31, 2018
310
Tagamet is an H2 blocker, in the same class as Zantac, so there would likely be little difference.
 
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Tintagel

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Jun 17, 2018
10
thx
 
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bag.of.cats

bag.of.cats

depressed cats
Apr 10, 2018
96
Can you turn into a vegetable from a failed SN attempt?
 
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El Topo

El Topo

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Apr 21, 2018
478
What's the difference between metoclopramide and let's say Zantac? The former is more expensive.

They are completely different types of medicines.

Metoclopramide is an anti-emetic. Zantac is for reducing stomach acid.
 
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angie

angie

need to exit
May 25, 2018
480
wish i knew how much anti emetic sonnenblume took .
im not taking sn though hopefully N if i can gather the courage to take it ,its not easy thats for sure
 
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Azure

Azure

Little Chemist
Jun 13, 2018
133
wish i knew how much anti emetic sonnenblume took .
im not taking sn though hopefully N if i can gather the courage to take it ,its not easy thats for sure
Im actually curious for this too. Never used an antiemetic in my life and I really dunno how they work. Anyone with experience knows? Should I take some a couple hours before I ctb, too?
 
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El Topo

El Topo

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Apr 21, 2018
478
wish i knew how much anti emetic sonnenblume took .
im not taking sn though hopefully N if i can gather the courage to take it ,its not easy thats for sure

Sonnenblume took metoclopramide. I don't know the exact amount, but probably around 40 mg. At Dignitas, they take 30 mg metoclopramide before drinking N.

Im actually curious for this too. Never used an antiemetic in my life and I really dunno how they work. Anyone with experience knows? Should I take some a couple hours before I ctb, too?

Anti-emetics are recommended when CTBing with any ingested substance, whether it's N, SN, opiates, tricyclic antidepresssants, etc. Throwing up is the body's natural defense reaction when taking a lethal substance. Even people who OD from injecting heroin usually throw up.

I have experience with D2-receptor antagonist anti-emetics since I've tried them in the past for a digestive condition. The most commonly-used medications in this class are metoclopramide and domperidone, but theoretically any D2-receptor antagonist should work. (All antipsychotics are D2-antagonists.) Metoclopramide is also a 5HT3-receptor antagonist, so it has 2 modes of function.

The various euthanasia guides have different recommendations when it comes to anti-emetics, so it's not an exact science. Some guides even say that you should start taking them 48 hours before CTBing, but I don't think that's necessary. At Dignitas, they take a single dose an hour before drinking N.

The typical dosages for people who take metoclopramide and domperidone for medical reasons is 10-20 mg 3x per day, so up to 60 mg per day. So you can use that as a general guideline.
 
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angie

angie

need to exit
May 25, 2018
480
Sonnenblume took metoclopramide. I don't know the exact amount, but probably around 40 mg. At Dignitas, they take 30 mg metoclopramide before drinking N.



Anti-emetics are recommended when CTBing with any ingested substance, whether it's N, SN, opiates, tricyclic antidepresssants, etc. Throwing up is the body's natural defense reaction when taking a lethal substance. Even people who OD from injecting heroin usually throw up.

I have experience with D2-receptor antagonist anti-emetics since I've tried them in the past for a digestive condition. The most commonly-used medications in this class are metoclopramide and domperidone, but theoretically any D2-receptor antagonist should work. (All antipsychotics are D2-antagonists.) Metoclopramide is also a 5HT3-receptor antagonist, so it has 2 modes of function.

The various euthanasia guides have different recommendations when it comes to anti-emetics, so it's not an exact science. Some guides even say that you should start taking them 48 hours before CTBing, but I don't think that's necessary. At Dignitas, they take a single dose an hour before drinking N.

The typical dosages for people who take metoclopramide and domperidone for medical reasons is 10-20 mg 3x per day, so up to 60 mg per day. So you can use that as a general guideline.
do you think taking 60mg at once is too much then as ppeh recommends that but dignitas uses 30mg paspertin liquid not sure if liquid is stronger
 
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ausboy96

ausboy96

Student
Nov 17, 2018
143
Apparently, effects are highly reversable. So it's unlikely

Aren't the effects only reversible if you're saved? What happens if you're left unfound and somehow survive?
 
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worldexploder

worldexploder

Visionary
Sep 19, 2018
2,821
If I had a choice between N and SN I'd go for N easily! No questions asked. Unfortunately it's harder to obtain.

SN is not a sedative like Nembutal. With Nembutal you peacefully go to sleep then die some 40 minutes later.

Symptoms of SN can include - severe headache, severe stomach cramps, rapid heart rate and possible seizures. I am not knocking the method for people who want to go out that way. Just giving a comparison.
 
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