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Per Ardua Ad Astra

Per Ardua Ad Astra

Malpractice: NeuroDystrophy-Paralysis-Meds-Injured
Sep 27, 2022
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Did they mention SaSu by name, or was it some similar-sounding made-up one? I'd expect the BBC to be sensible enough not to stick the actual domain name in the headline of the story.

Mental health blogger Beth Matthews bought the poisonous substance she ingested from Russia, an inquest has heard.

While on a secure ward she was able to frequently visit a website that discussed suicide methods, jurors were told.

Ms Matthews, 26, from Cornwall, ordered the substance while at Priory Hospital Cheadle Royal near Stockport in March.
She was being treated as an NHS patient at the hospital, run by Priory Group.

The court heard from police coroners officer Claire Smith, who described how she had received a download of information from Ms Matthews' phone which ran to 100,000 pages.

Ms Smith found she had frequently accessed a website with thousands of threads discussing suicide and methods.

One method involved swallowing a poisonous substance which Ms Matthews "had attempted to purchase from a number of sources".
 
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Barteljaap

Barteljaap

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Jan 17, 2021
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Is it just me or is there always an implication in these stories that it's only a tragedy because the suicide was carried out by someone "happy and vivacious" i.e. not visibly depressed? When someone who is visibly depressed kills themselves does that not matter?
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,802
That poor woman, may she rest in peace. Her life was unbelievably tough and difficult, her blog and twitter page that are linked in previous posts paint such a raw picture of the sheer hell she had to go through everyday. Whenever a case like this emerges, I usually read the things the person has left behind to learn more about their story and who they were as a person, as news reporting never really delves into this.

Beth had been celebrated as a mental health advocate after a failed bridge jumping attempt, which left her severely disabled with enormous amounts of chronic health issues and pain. She was very candid and open about her experience with suicidality and disability on social media, especially in the her blog posts. She writes very detailed and vivid stories about her suicide attempt as well as the aftermath, including play by play recollections of the moments leading up to her climbing the ledge, and the turbulent emotions she felt when she realized she had actually jumped.

It is really harrowing and difficult to read, especially when she begins to talk about being sectioned once she had gotten out of intensive care. This girl was treated so badly, yet she kept believing that the staff in the ward were trying to help her, and that she deserved to be restrained, given antipsychotics, or locked up, because she was unwell. You can tell from her words that she feels immense guilt and shame about being suicidal, and that she has had to shoulder so much blame for something that she could not help.

I imagine being lauded by the media as a mental health advocate put extreme pressure and strain on her to overcome the insurmountable challenges she faced in life, regardless of the chronic health problems that resulted from her surviving the jump. There was a certain attitude that she was expected to have about it all which inevitably seemed to break her.

There are news articles of her shaking hands with the police officers who rescued her after her attempt, interviews with good samartins who restrained her during prior attempts, numerous words of admiration and praise for the paramedics who saved her life when she was in critical condition.. All of this must have made it so difficult for her to grapple with continued suicidality, because she was expected to be optimistic and grateful for what others saw as a 2nd chance at life.

Many times, she describes herself as selfish or wracked with guilt, and it's so heartbreaking to read. She never should have had to feel this way. When you see the photos on her twitter of her numerous surgeries and procedures that she's had to endure after her attempt for her permanently damaged legs, it's impossible not to feel devastated for this poor girl. She was so severely disabled and in so much pain, was sectioned in a ward for months on end, and yet expected to have a smile on her face and be a motivational figure in spite of all of this.

Her last tweet is just heart wrenching:

"I am struggling so so much. I can't eat, can't sleep, all I do is lie in bed crying. I'm so lost & broken.

I'm sorry I haven't posted much recently & I'm sorry for being so negative. I'm just in a really really dark place right now & I can't see a way out."

May she finally be at peace and free of the pain that plagued her in this life. The news articles and legislators are barking up the wrong tree and placing blame on the ward staff unnecessarily. Saying that they failed in their duty of care doesn't make sense in the context of Beth's story. She had extensive trauma from involuntary psychiatric hospitalization and hospitals in general, had endured years of forced treatment, none of their methods were helping her.. of course she would want to have freedom and privacy in what was essentially a prison.

Many commenters on these news articles think it is inhumane that she wasn't being monitored every five minutes and being forcibly restrained to ensure any self-harm was prevented. I don't understand how we can claim to be a compassionate society when forcing people to suffer for years with no improvement by using authoritian impositions of violence and forced drugging against them to keep them breathing at any cost is seen as humane.

What these medical staff did to her against her will for many years is what is truly inhumane.
 
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wait.what

wait.what

no really, what?
Aug 14, 2020
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Her Blog is still online— still there now :
I found it. Sweet Holy Christ. I read the first post and part of the second, and I am wrecked. I've literally got belly cramps. That poor woman. What had she ever done to deserve that?
 
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Wannagonow

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Nov 16, 2022
376
Been trying to keep an eye out for updates since this young woman CTB last March. She tried multiple times to leave this world, but it seems she was very headstrong about what she wanted. The inquest did find the place contributed to her suicide. Reading about the rules/policies that weren't followed to the tee- they contributed. But I don't think they were to "blame". Ultimately she made it happen. The choice was hers.
 
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Ghostofthepast

Ghostofthepast

Student
Dec 31, 2022
177
Anyone else pissed off by the media's obsession with covering how she was able to CTB without putting a single thought into the idea that maybe we should talk about why she wanted to end her life in the first place?

No one cares about whether suicidal people are better, they just care whether they are alive.
Pretty much because everyone thinks they are better than they really are it is selfish as fuck to kill yourself but also selfish as fuck to keep someone here or force them to live if they don't want too when you bring morals into something it fucks it all up everyone wants to be a hero and save people but only after something like this happens its even worse if your a male
 
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NoHorizon

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Nov 22, 2022
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Agreed

Media should have reported / referenced specifically her very personal Blog / Diary.

She was very candid / introspective about her family / friends — and she described her painful experiences/ losses —and explained her reasons for her ultimate breakdowns and choices.

Her Blog is still online— still there now :

https://lifebeyondtheledge.wordpress.com/

RIP 💔
Thanks for sharing this - I've been reading through it on and off all day. It's very powerful. I've felt a huge mixed bag of emotions today because of it.
 
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SweetSacrifice

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Jan 19, 2023
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I followed Beth's story for many months and have been keeping up with the inquest updates. What's come through for me is that she should have been allowed to CTB on her own terms. It was what she wanted. It wasn't a fleeting reaction to something, she had tried to live, even after the horrific injuries of her first attempt, but life was just not for her. The fact she had to go to the lengths she did to CTB is so sad. Why do people think life must be preserved at all costs? We don't do it to animals. It's devastating to have a pet PTS but I look on it as the ultimate kindness. We make that choice when know suffering outweighs quality of life - why can't we be trusted to make that decision for ourselves? She deserved so much more respect and dignity than she got.

I think this is the best report I've read and really shows her determination to end things. I actually think she was incredibly brave.

 
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Brokensaddle

Brokensaddle

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Sep 28, 2020
185
They did a tribute documentary for Beth. RIP Beth you were failed by system that was supposed to keep safe.

 
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sigsq

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Jan 4, 2023
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What was the substance she used? Could it have been SN?
 
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sigsq

Member
Jan 4, 2023
25
Probably Potassium Cyanide rather than SN, it sounds a lot quicker. SN in a hospital would be a bad idea, it takes far too long and it is far too unreliable.
Potassium cyanide wouldn't cause methemoglobinemia, though.
 
soontobedone

soontobedone

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Feb 27, 2023
314
In one pic on Twitter she's holding a beer in what looks like the hospital?
 
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Homo erectus

Homo erectus

Mage
Mar 7, 2023
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Anyone else pissed off by the media's obsession with covering how she was able to CTB without putting a single thought into the idea that maybe we should talk about why she wanted to end her life in the first place?

No one cares about whether suicidal people are better, they just care whether they are alive.
The media and the authorities are not interested in addressing the root causes. They even prevent people from easing their own sufferings with their own methods.
In one pic on Twitter she's holding a beer in what looks like the hospital?
Have people investigated if hospital is a major cause of suicide. Many suicidal people probably have a history of hospital stays.
 
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enviro400mmc

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Nov 27, 2022
101
Another thing in hindsight about this which I can relate to a lot is that trying to be a role model of recovery is a huge burden and incredibly dangerous. I think Beth felt huge pressure because of her blog and what she had done to never let herself fall into difficulties again. When she inevitably did (that is natural) she couldn't live with herself or her struggles anymore and that spiralled her.
 
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lukas19

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Jan 17, 2023
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Potassium cyanide wouldn't cause methemoglobinemia, though.
And she said ''i'll be dead in an hour'' and it took a while to kill her, cyanide acts a lot quicker. Sounds like SN