Method Barring accessibility, I'm flabbergasted as to why fentanyl wouldn't be considered superior to SN as a method and on par with nembutal.

[imastain]

This thread is based on my having almost died following a fentanyl overdose and is largely subjective so it might very well be that I am in the wrong as I haven't necessarily looked into the data but I felt as though this warranted a discussion nevertheless and so I shall first proceed by recounting what exactly happened.

29th of May, 3 PM:
I was home with my parents after time away at college and happened to be in possession of a fentanyl patch (25μg per hour - meaning it administered a dosage of that amount every hour and curiously enough, these patches come into doses extending up to 150μg). I didn't necessarily intend to die but I was indifferent to life and couldn't care less as to what happened to me so long as I could indulge in escapism and forego having to be myself for however long. Not to diverge but I'm more than cognisant of being a gigantic piece of shit for abusing substances like this as a coping mechanism and it's not that I would necessarily mind users on here regurgitating this point but I don't want anyone to be under the impression that I'm somehow unaware of this fact. I administered the patch sublingually and went to have a bath.

It had barely been around five or ten minutes that I started to feel it make its way into my system. You guys know how when you're about to faint and you start feeling energyless? It was sort of like that but not as intense obviously and certainly not unpleasant although it wasn't necessarily pleasant either. It was a very neutral feeling. Now fast forward half an hour and I came out of the bath heavily sedated and lay on the couch. I don't know if this is common knowledge but fentanyl isn't exactly known to induce euphoria like other opioids and so euphoric I certainly wasn't feeling. Being on fentanyl is like being asleep when you are actually awake. (I hope you people do not mind me recounting this experience, I'm only reproducing it here so that those unacquainted with this substance can juxtapose its effects as a method with that induced by say SN and have a clue as to what they would feel before dying if they were to try it)

I was rapidly losing consciousness at this point and my last memory before sleeping into a deep slumber is texting my brother's friend. (They have been like a mentor slash friend [?] to me following my brother's suicide). I was feeling very peaceful and all of it felt very comfortable, there wasn't so much as an ounce of unpleasantness (again, not necessarily pleasant either - it's a very neutral feeling but largely peaceful.) Now contrast this with SN, which had been my preferred method previously. You have to have antiemetics purely because of how terrible it tastes, people feel at least slightly disturbed after ingestion and they don't exactly get to pass away feeling peaceful and content. You actually have to deal with SI even after taking them and I am just so confused as to why fentanyl wouldn't be preferred over it given just how potent and lethal it is?

I lost consciousness at around 3.45 and would have certainly died if my mother hadn't immediately rushed me to the hospital (now, this wasn't exactly a pretty sight - I was puking blood and foaming at my mouth but this wouldn't be anyone's concern if they were to CTB with fentanyl as they would have already lost consciousness by now).

I can say confidently that fentanyl is my preferred method now and although life is absolutely unbearable and horrendous I can at the very least take comfort in knowing that I have an extremely peaceful method I can resort to (very, very similar to how I imagine it would feel being in possession of nembutal)

So anyways I guess my purpose in posting this was to generate a discussion on this method. I'm legitimately confused as to why it's not used more often? Accessibility? But then again SN is also being cracked down upon. So yeah. Can't really tell.

 

[nothingbutmybest]

As far as I'm aware the main problem with fentanyl IS accessibility and the fact that it's an opioid. You even mentioned some drawbacks yourself: it's true that you're likely to lose consciousness before you start puking blood but in the rare case you don't take enough or some janky interaction occurs, I can't imagine you'd want that to happen. It's unlikely but we really want the disastrous failure window to be as small as possible. The other thing is that it's an opioid, I can't imagine most people want to have a physical or mental addiction. That and yes, accessibility is actually a concern especially for a chemical that is considered a "bad drug". If you have nembutal you might get a slap on the hand but fentanyl is "more" illegal if that makes sense. I do think it's better than SN (though that's debatable) but accessibility actually matters. I'm assuming nembutal is mostly mentioned because it is THE ideal solution

 

[ZM4ever]

I agree
Getting it is the problem

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Fent would be my ideal method, TBH.

Another issue to mention, though--Narcan easily reverses an opiate overdose and increases your survival odds if you're found too soon.

I've read of several SN overdoses where the person was found alive, but doctors had no idea what they had taken and were unable to provide the antidote in time and they did die. And I'm unsure if N even has an antidote at all.

 

[Aisley]

I think this often enough. I mean, considering you can get fent anywhere, and it's as peaceful as anyone can hope for. I was never sold on sn. But I think a lot of people here are, in a way, sheltered kids, and wouldn't know the first thing about buying drugs off the street. Well, okay I get that. But in India you can just buy it, and people are still choosing trains and hanging over there. I don't get it. It's like this huge secret or something. This huge secret that's become one of the leading causes of death in some places.

 

[Vizzy]

This thread is based on my having almost died following a fentanyl overdose and is largely subjective so it might very well be that I am in the wrong as I haven't necessarily looked into the data but I felt as though this warranted a discussion nevertheless and so I shall first proceed by recounting what exactly happened.

29th of May, 3 PM:
I was home with my parents after time away at college and happened to be in possession of a fentanyl patch (25μg per hour - meaning it administered a dosage of that amount every hour and curiously enough, these patches come into doses extending up to 150μg). I didn't necessarily intend to die but I was indifferent to life and couldn't care less as to what happened to me so long as I could indulge in escapism and forego having to be myself for however long. Not to diverge but I'm more than cognisant of being a gigantic piece of shit for abusing substances like this as a coping mechanism and it's not that I would necessarily mind users on here regurgitating this point but I don't want anyone to be under the impression that I'm somehow unaware of this fact. I administered the patch sublingually and went to have a bath.

It had barely been around five or ten minutes that I started to feel it make its way into my system. You guys know how when you're about to faint and you start feeling energyless? It was sort of like that but not as intense obviously and certainly not unpleasant although it wasn't necessarily pleasant either. It was a very neutral feeling. Now fast forward half an hour and I came out of the bath heavily sedated and lay on the couch. I don't know if this is common knowledge but fentanyl isn't exactly known to induce euphoria like other opioids and so euphoric I certainly wasn't feeling. Being on fentanyl is like being asleep when you are actually awake. (I hope you people do not mind me recounting this experience, I'm only reproducing it here so that those unacquainted with this substance can juxtapose its effects as a method with that induced by say SN and have a clue as to what they would feel before dying if they were to try it)

I was rapidly losing consciousness at this point and my last memory before sleeping into a deep slumber is texting my brother's friend. (They have been like a mentor slash friend [?] to me following my brother's suicide). I was feeling very peaceful and all of it felt very comfortable, there wasn't so much as an ounce of unpleasantness (again, not necessarily pleasant either - it's a very neutral feeling but largely peaceful.) Now contrast this with SN, which had been my preferred method previously. You have to have antiemetics purely because of how terrible it tastes, people feel at least slightly disturbed after ingestion and they don't exactly get to pass away feeling peaceful and content. You actually have to deal with SI even after taking them and I am just so confused as to why fentanyl wouldn't be preferred over it given just how potent and lethal it is?

I lost consciousness at around 3.45 and would have certainly died if my mother hadn't immediately rushed me to the hospital (now, this wasn't exactly a pretty sight - I was puking blood and foaming at my mouth but this wouldn't be anyone's concern if they were to CTB with fentanyl as they would have already lost consciousness by now).

I can say confidently that fentanyl is my preferred method now and although life is absolutely unbearable and horrendous I can at the very least take comfort in knowing that I have an extremely peaceful method I can resort to (very, very similar to how I imagine it would feel being in possession of nembutal)

So anyways I guess my purpose in posting this was to generate a discussion on this method. I'm legitimately confused as to why it's not used more often? Accessibility? But then again SN is also being cracked down upon. So yeah. Can't really tell.

Most of them in this site go by ppeh book, which strongly says ctb using drugs are unreliable because everyone need different dosage

Pure fentanyl is hard to get, most of the black market fen are mixed with fillers, hard to obtain if you don't know the right contact, possession of fen is highly illegal all these reasons make it unreliable for ctb

Everyone are different so finding the right dosage is hard, if you take too much dosage it's gonna make you nauseous and you gonna choke in your own vomit, there are no right sources to guide how to use fentanyl effectively

On the other side SN is recommended by ppeh as reliable if you follow the protocol, easy to acquire compared to fentanyl, sn is not illegal, it looks like they are cracking down sn but it ain't gonna do nothing because sn has a lot of other usage unlike fen, sn is not addictive, government can restrict sn but they can't ban it

Finally if you fail ctb using fentanyl high probability of getting brain damage and it can leave you as a vegetable but sn in my all research I saw only one minor brain damage but that person was 64 year old man with high blood pressure

 

[picklemick]

If I knew how to get actual fent that would be my my choice. I can't get sn anynore.

 

[Vizzy]

I think this often enough. I mean, considering you can get fent anywhere, and it's as peaceful as anyone can hope for. I was never sold on sn. But I think a lot of people here are, in a way, sheltered kids, and wouldn't know the first thing about buying drugs off the street. Well, okay I get that. But in India you can just buy it, and people are still choosing trains and hanging over there. I don't get it. It's like this huge secret or something. This huge secret that's become one of the leading causes of death in some places.

I know in India you can get a lot of things without any problems but fentanyl nah you can't get pure quality fentanyl in India, I damn sure about it because my friends searched for it in India, they can't get it

We even talked to a medicine wholesaler, he can't get it for us, he need special kind of certificate to deal with opioids or narcotics, mostly available only in big hospitals, getting opioid is a big deal in India

Maybe you can get morphine easily but fentanyl I don't think so!

Fentanyl is highly illegal in India

 

[Aisley]

Arright. Maybe I was brainfarting and thinking of tramadol or something. You figure fent is available on the streets in India?

I know in India you can get a lot of things without any problems but fentanyl nah you can't get pure quality fentanyl in India, I damn sure about it because my friends searched for it in India, they can't get it

We even talked to a medicine wholesaler, he can't get it for us, he need special kind of certificate to deal with opioids or narcotics, mostly available only in big hospitals, getting opioid is a big deal in India

Maybe you can get morphine easily but fentanyl I don't think so!

Fentanyl is highly illegal in India

 

[dofogry]

I wish i could use fent but here in brazil is extremely difficult to find and i believe very expensive too. Since im unemployed and living in a poor country SN is a perfect option since its widely avaible in the internet and very cheap.

 

[Vizzy]

Arright. Maybe I was brainfarting and thinking of tramadol or something. You figure fent is available on the streets in India?

Truth is India is not a drug infested country, many are addicted to cigarettes, alcohol but hardcore drugs are hard to get and average Indian can't afford those drugs because it is expensive and India doesn't have any neighboring countries pushing in drugs into the country.

Streets like Kensington ave Philadelphia are not found in India, India streets are dirty but you won't find opioid drug addicts in India, hardcore drugs are taken by rich people, celebrities and businessmen as they can get it by their influence and money, India streets are 90% free of drugs

 

[toofargone6969]

If you have access to pharma grade F patches then you're very lucky. I believe PPH had a protocol in one of the older versions using the patches as well as a shitton of oxy and benzos. Unfortunately the patches are completely unavailable on the dark web and its highly unlikely for any street dealer to have them either. They used to be available online but those days are long past. That's the problem with this as a method and why even PPH now doesn't recommend it, or heroin. There is simply no way to know the purity of what you have unless you know its medical grade. 99% of us don't have access to such things, even with drug connections. It's not even common to be prescribed anymore unless you're a cancer patient with an existing opiate tolerance. Yet another peaceful method comeptlely unavailable and inaccessible.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I guess you have to be comfortable in doing something illegal. That troubles me. A criminal record would make my life worse- if I got caught.

How do you know the purity of what you have got? Plus- how much you'd need to do it? Which would surely vary according to the purity...

The patches sound great but I'm too squemish for injections- especially attempting to do that myself.

 

[imastain]

I guess you have to be comfortable in doing something illegal. That troubles me. A criminal record would make my life worse- if I got caught.

How do you know the purity of what you have got? Plus- how much you'd need to do it? Which would surely vary according to the purity...

The patches sound great but I'm too squemish for injections- especially attempting to do that myself.

How do you know the purity of what you have got?

I don't have too big an issue with that considering I have access to medical grade F patches, but I understand how it can be problematic otherwise.

 

[Vizzy]

This sounds like the new gold standard of peaceful method. The amount of substance required is so little. It is easy to carry. One can go to a nice and quite place far from home, relax and do it in no hurry. The vomit of blood doesn't matter in the countryside. No one will need to do the cleanup. Neighbors, relatives and friends won't blame themselves, "if I came early I could have saved it."

Fen won't become new standard of peaceful method not now and not in the future

No drug will be considered the gold standard for euthanasia except Nembutal, every other drugs fall short to be considered golden standard for euthanasia

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that if people could easily access methods like F and N to reliably ctb with then they would choose them to ctb, of course the reason why someone would resort to a more awful, painful or risky method is because of accessibility, if there were straightforward and reliable ways to leave this world peacefully then that would be such a relief but sadly such a thing will always be too good to be true, I understand why you would find it comforting to have a method like that.

 

[k1w1]

Arright. Maybe I was brainfarting and thinking of tramadol or something. You figure fent is available on the streets in India?

Nope. Afghanville is next door & the north west is full of other product.

Truth is India is not a drug infested country, many are addicted to cigarettes, alcohol but hardcore drugs are hard to get and average Indian can't afford those drugs because it is expensive and India doesn't have any neighboring countries pushing in drugs into the country.

Streets like Kensington ave Philadelphia are not found in India, India streets are dirty but you won't find opioid drug addicts in India, hardcore drugs are taken by rich people, celebrities and businessmen as they can get it by their influence and money, India streets are 90% free of drugs

Hi Viz. Have you ever visited Punjab or Manipur? The neighbours send it through these areas. I look like a sketchy foreigner so maybe easier for me. Areas with a presence of methadone clinics and needle exchanges are an indicator. I can say this with certainty.

 

[tc0076]

I've applied for a vad at pegasoos tbh i'm scared of taking N, I hope it offers a peaceful passing.

This thread is based on my having almost died following a fentanyl overdose and is largely subjective so it might very well be that I am in the wrong as I haven't necessarily looked into the data but I felt as though this warranted a discussion nevertheless and so I shall first proceed by recounting what exactly happened.

29th of May, 3 PM:
I was home with my parents after time away at college and happened to be in possession of a fentanyl patch (25μg per hour - meaning it administered a dosage of that amount every hour and curiously enough, these patches come into doses extending up to 150μg). I didn't necessarily intend to die but I was indifferent to life and couldn't care less as to what happened to me so long as I could indulge in escapism and forego having to be myself for however long. Not to diverge but I'm more than cognisant of being a gigantic piece of shit for abusing substances like this as a coping mechanism and it's not that I would necessarily mind users on here regurgitating this point but I don't want anyone to be under the impression that I'm somehow unaware of this fact. I administered the patch sublingually and went to have a bath.

It had barely been around five or ten minutes that I started to feel it make its way into my system. You guys know how when you're about to faint and you start feeling energyless? It was sort of like that but not as intense obviously and certainly not unpleasant although it wasn't necessarily pleasant either. It was a very neutral feeling. Now fast forward half an hour and I came out of the bath heavily sedated and lay on the couch. I don't know if this is common knowledge but fentanyl isn't exactly known to induce euphoria like other opioids and so euphoric I certainly wasn't feeling. Being on fentanyl is like being asleep when you are actually awake. (I hope you people do not mind me recounting this experience, I'm only reproducing it here so that those unacquainted with this substance can juxtapose its effects as a method with that induced by say SN and have a clue as to what they would feel before dying if they were to try it)

I was rapidly losing consciousness at this point and my last memory before sleeping into a deep slumber is texting my brother's friend. (They have been like a mentor slash friend [?] to me following my brother's suicide). I was feeling very peaceful and all of it felt very comfortable, there wasn't so much as an ounce of unpleasantness (again, not necessarily pleasant either - it's a very neutral feeling but largely peaceful.) Now contrast this with SN, which had been my preferred method previously. You have to have antiemetics purely because of how terrible it tastes, people feel at least slightly disturbed after ingestion and they don't exactly get to pass away feeling peaceful and content. You actually have to deal with SI even after taking them and I am just so confused as to why fentanyl wouldn't be preferred over it given just how potent and lethal it is?

I lost consciousness at around 3.45 and would have certainly died if my mother hadn't immediately rushed me to the hospital (now, this wasn't exactly a pretty sight - I was puking blood and foaming at my mouth but this wouldn't be anyone's concern if they were to CTB with fentanyl as they would have already lost consciousness by now).

I can say confidently that fentanyl is my preferred method now and although life is absolutely unbearable and horrendous I can at the very least take comfort in knowing that I have an extremely peaceful method I can resort to (very, very similar to how I imagine it would feel being in possession of nembutal)

So anyways I guess my purpose in posting this was to generate a discussion on this method. I'm legitimately confused as to why it's not used more often? Accessibility? But then again SN is also being cracked down upon. So yeah. Can't really tell.

Maybe there is such a thing as a peacful death. I am very ill and have applied or a vad at pegasos, I hope it's as peacful as N.

 

[Wants-To-End]

I know in India you can get a lot of things without any problems but fentanyl nah you can't get pure quality fentanyl in India, I damn sure about it because my friends searched for it in India, they can't get it

We even talked to a medicine wholesaler, he can't get it for us, he need special kind of certificate to deal with opioids or narcotics, mostly available only in big hospitals, getting opioid is a big deal in India

Maybe you can get morphine easily but fentanyl I don't think so!

Fentanyl is highly illegal in India

Thanks for Your Information vizzy

Is it Possible to Get "N" in India ?, if yes, do you know any scam free dealer (in India)?

 

[Jezzibell]

Just seen this

US files first-ever charges against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers

‘We are targeting every step of the movement, manufacturing and sale of fentanyl – from start to finish,’ US Attorney General Merrick Garland says.

www.scmp.com

There is one supplier on indiamart who has a very bad rating