Discussion Bag suffocation (NOT AN EXIT BAG)

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

I am getting desperate and have been questioning suffocation via plastic bag... I know it is supposed to be very uncomfortable and very easy for self preservation instincts to kick in but I am figuring if I take enough measures to stop myself from interfering it might work.

What is the success rate of this method? I know you have to make sure there are no holes in the bag and that it is completely sealed but it seems like a relatively easy method

 

[gasforme]

The purpose of exit bag is to make your body feel like it's still breathing something that isn't co2 to avoid the hypercapnia response.

If you just go plain plastic bag you won't have that so it makes it harder not easier. You would need nerves of steel to avoid ripping off the bag.

 

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

The purpose of exit bag is to make your body feel like it's still breathing something that isn't co2 to avoid the hypercapnia response.

If you just go plain plastic bag you won't have that so it makes it harder not easier. You would need nerves of steel to avoid ripping off the bag.

Yeah, that is what I am worrying about.

Would tying my hands behind my back help ??

 

[gasforme]

You might find info here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...d-baking-soda-plastic-bag-asphyxiation.88753/

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

I am getting desperate and have been questioning suffocation via plastic bag... I know it is supposed to be very uncomfortable and very easy for self preservation instincts to kick in but I am figuring if I take enough measures to stop myself from interfering it might work.

What is the success rate of this method? I know you have to make sure there are no holes in the bag and that it is completely sealed but it seems like a relatively easy method

There's a site that lists every method from least to most effective (don't remember the site) but I do remember they listed a bag on its own as the least effective. That being said, there was a post on here a while ago about several teens who pulled it off while in the psych ward, so while difficult & brutal, it's clearly not impossible.

 

[martyrdom]

I'm not giving advice on the execution but I've tried it when I had few/near zero resources in an emergency setting, so I can answer if you have questions about how it feels etc. However I tried it in combination with hanging.

 

[hell toupee]

There's a site that lists every method from least to most effective (don't remember the site) but I do remember they listed a bag on its own as the least effective. That being said, there was a post on here a while ago about several teens who pulled it off while in the psych ward, so while difficult & brutal, it's clearly not impossible.

Ya, that was me that made the post about the 2 teens. IIRC, they were brother and sister, and the sister did this in a psyche ward. About 6 months later, the brother was locked up in the same place and did the same thing - just put a grocery bag over his head.

The news article was actually about concerned parents who were upset that plastic bags were even available for the teens to use.

The most reasonable response I received was that during a psychotic break, you can do things you normally wouldn't do. This was from a member here who has had psychotic breaks before.

IMO, this would be very difficult to pull off and I can't imagine the panic induced from desperately trying to catch a breath and sucking a plastic bag in to your mouth.

From the research I've done, most plastic bag asphyxiation happens on accident with people just trying to get high - like they soak a rag with ether or something similar and put it inside a sealed plastic bag - they then accidentally pass out and pass on. This also happens with people who use nitrous oxide recreationally - they fill a sealed plastic bag and the N2O causes hypoxia - making them pass away. With N2O, there is no sense of shortness of breath or hypercapnia, as N20 displaces both oxygen and co2 in the lungs (which then leads to hypoxia). N2O in a sealed plastic bag is actually my method.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Ya, that was me that made the post about the 2 teens. IIRC, they were brother and sister, and the sister did this in a psyche ward. About 6 months later, the brother was locked up in the same place and did the same thing - just put a grocery bag over his head.

The news article was actually about concerned parents who were upset that plastic bags were even available for the teens to use.

The most reasonable response I received was that during a psychotic break, you can do things you normally wouldn't do. This was from a member here who has had psychotic breaks before.

IMO, this would be very difficult to pull off and I can't imagine the panic induced from desperately trying to catch a breath and sucking a plastic bag in to your mouth.

From the research I've done, most plastic bag asphyxiation happens on accident with people just trying to get high - like they soak a rag with ether or something similar and put it inside a sealed plastic bag - they then accidentally pass out and pass on. This also happens with people who use nitrous oxide recreationally - they fill a sealed plastic bag and the N2O causes hypoxia - making them pass away. With N2O, there is no sense of shortness of breath or hypercapnia, as N20 displaces both oxygen and co2 in the lungs (which then leads to hypoxia). N2O in a sealed plastic bag is actually my method.

About the N2O, I know . I've been reading your posts about the method & I'm intrigued. I know you've put a lot of research into it (as well as the collar), If it were more tested I'd be tempted to go with that myself.

 

[IMAFRAIDDAVE]

I'm not giving advice on the execution but I've tried it when I had few/near zero resources in an emergency setting, so I can answer if you have questions about how it feels etc. However I tried it in combination with hanging.

What exactly is the feeling that occurs when you are suffocating? Both the sensation and what goes on in your head during those "last moments"?

Did your self preservation instinct kick in or did it just not work?

Ya, that was me that made the post about the 2 teens. IIRC, they were brother and sister, and the sister did this in a psyche ward. About 6 months later, the brother was locked up in the same place and did the same thing - just put a grocery bag over his head.

The news article was actually about concerned parents who were upset that plastic bags were even available for the teens to use.

The most reasonable response I received was that during a psychotic break, you can do things you normally wouldn't do. This was from a member here who has had psychotic breaks before.

IMO, this would be very difficult to pull off and I can't imagine the panic induced from desperately trying to catch a breath and sucking a plastic bag in to your mouth.

From the research I've done, most plastic bag asphyxiation happens on accident with people just trying to get high - like they soak a rag with ether or something similar and put it inside a sealed plastic bag - they then accidentally pass out and pass on. This also happens with people who use nitrous oxide recreationally - they fill a sealed plastic bag and the N2O causes hypoxia - making them pass away. With N2O, there is no sense of shortness of breath or hypercapnia, as N20 displaces both oxygen and co2 in the lungs (which then leads to hypoxia). N2O in a sealed plastic bag is actually my method.

I just read your post on N2O, I am incredibly surprised I have not heard more about it in this context.

 

[hell toupee]

About the N2O, I know . I've been reading your posts about the method & I'm intrigued. I know you've put a lot of research into it (as well as the collar), If it were more tested I'd be tempted to go with that myself.

What exactly is the feeling that occurs when you are suffocating? Both the sensation and what goes on in your head during those "last moments"?

Did your self preservation instinct kick in or did it just not work?

I just read your post on N2O, I am incredibly surprised I have not heard more about it in this context.

Dave - from what I can gather, several people on this site have spoken of attempting to ctb with a plastic bag in their past. Almost universally, they say you get to a point where you become extremely frantic - I heard one user say that it felt like millions of ants were crawling under his skin, urging him to move - so finally they just rip the bag off their head. Air hunger, while not painful per se, is an extremely difficult thing to deal with, it seems. While I believe that people over exaggerate "SI" as if it's some automatic force that takes control of your body, I believe that things like drowning and asphyxiation from lethal CO2 concentration, which is what is happening when using the plastic bag, are probably the best demonstrations of SI. With other methods, I believe SI only gets in the way when someone is not 100% sure they want to ctb. Which is a good thing, for sure. As we all know, this is the single biggest decision most of us will make and it should never be taken lightly or not looked at as an absolute last resort. I believe if someone is absolutely certain they want to ctb, SI will not be a problem.

There are quite a few case reports on the Internet of both accidental (mostly) and deliberate attempts to ctb with N2O. I don't know how true this is, but I had read that nitrous was the preferred method of ctb for dentists, who obviously have the stuff in their offices.

I would not be surprised if, like helium, people start using it more to ctb and it either gets banned completely, or mixed with oxygen or something.

I did see a stat the other day that mentioned deaths from nitrous asphyxiation were up 500% just within the last few years - most of these, as stated, were accidental. Given N2O attenuates the feeling of shortness of breath (given you presumably aren't breathing any oxygen), people don't even realize it and just lose consciousness, eventually dying.

 

[want2gosoon]

I tried this multiple times a few months ago. It didn't take long for panic to set in and I ripped off the bag each time. Unsure if tying your hands would help, but even if it did, i think that this method would be particularly agonizing.

 

[martyrdom]

What exactly is the feeling that occurs when you are suffocating? Both the sensation and what goes on in your head during those "last moments"?

My thoughts went along the lines of "I need to do this quickly, I have no time. I need to get it done. I can't breathe. It's coming on. I can't breathe. I'm passing out. Okay, I'm passing out, I'm going, I'm gone." So neutral observations basically and a focus on doing it right.

One thing that was mildly annoying was the noise of the bag as I breathed and the fact that it made the inside hot and slightly humid because of my breath. There was a lot of tingling all over my body and I had some involuntary muscle spasms. My face and my fingers started going numb, and my heart was beating really fast. My vision had black spots and I passed out. But consider that since I was also hanging while doing it, passing out was much faster for me than it would be without that.

Did your self preservation instinct kick in or did it just not work?

Neither, I was found very quickly. It would have worked if I wasn't, but likely not without the hanging.

While I believe that people over exaggerate "SI" as if it's some automatic force that takes control of your body, I believe that things like drowning and asphyxiation from lethal CO2 concentration, which is what is happening when using the plastic bag, are probably the best demonstrations of SI. With other methods, I believe SI only gets in the way when someone is not 100% sure they want to ctb. Which is a good thing, for sure.

This is exactly right - SI is a purely physical response.

 

[hell toupee]

My thoughts went along the lines of "I need to do this quickly, I have no time. I need to get it done. I can't breathe. It's coming on. I can't breathe. I'm passing out. Okay, I'm passing out, I'm going, I'm gone." So neutral observations basically and a focus on doing it right.

One thing that was mildly annoying was the noise of the bag as I breathed and the fact that it made the inside hot and slightly humid because of my breath. There was a lot of tingling all over my body and I had some involuntary muscle spasms. My face and my fingers started going numb, and my heart was beating really fast. My vision had black spots and I passed out. But consider that since I was also hanging while doing it, passing out was much faster for me than it would be without that.


Neither, I was found very quickly. It would have worked if I wasn't, but likely not without the hanging.


This is exactly right - SI is a purely physical response.

I wasn't aware that you were using the plastic bag in conjunction with hanging - this is what I was originally planning to do as well - in fact, I got used to the idea that I would include a plastic bag with any method I might attempt. For me, I cannot fail and I looked to the plastic bag as insurance that I would be 100% successful.

Was this full suspension? Or partial?

Originally, I wanted to take a bunch medication that would simply allow me to pass out. Like an OD on Xanax or something. I am well aware that on their own, unless you have barbiturates or powerful opioids, ctb is a roll of the dice. However, an OD (or close to it) using Xanax and some alcohol will assuredly induce a loss of consciousness, and combined with a plastic bag it would be a guarantee. The tricky part would be the timing, as the bag obviously needs to be secured before loss of consciousness. My workaround was going to be using a somewhat larger bag that would allow me to breathe normally for an hour or so, giving me the needed time to place the bag and slip into a semi-coma state. Once I stumbled across N2O, I figure I can still use the bag for insurance, and filling it with N2O would make the process much less panic inducing.

 

[InevitableDeath]

Not very good. SI will kick in after you pass out and rip it off.

 

[martyrdom]

Was this full suspension? Or partial?

Partial, I would have died near instantly with full suspension. But I did not have an adequate anchor point for that, at the time. I did this in a hospital.

I wasn't aware that you were using the plastic bag in conjunction with hanging - this is what I was originally planning to do as well - in fact, I got used to the idea that I would include a plastic bag with any method I might attempt. For me, I cannot fail and I looked to the plastic bag as insurance that I would be 100% successful.

That was also my thinking at the time - use any and every available resource at the time to ensure death. It was an impulsive attempt because I needed an immediate escape. If I were to attempt again and I was seeking a painless method, I would do full suspension. Not much else is needed for that and it's simple. But the method of my choice is different since I don't want a painless method.